The "Trump Is A Hillary Plant" Conspiracy...Crazy?

[8bitagent]

I would be absolutely shocked if Trump ever decided to accept the role of pretending to be President for 8 years because then he would have to stick to some sort of predictable schedule and be on call.

I doubt that man wants to be bound to any sort of daily routine schedule. He shows up for television appearances right now for this big sideshow but I cannot see him being willing to be accountable to a daily schedule that would be required for that 8 year acting job that would be required if he were to accept the role of pretending to be President for 8 years. But I have been fooled before....

Hillary is such a power hungry monger she might accept that acting role though.

I don't see why either one of them would do it at this stage of their life. I wouldn't.

I would go to the Caribbean and listen to the steel drum music myself.

Hillary I'm sure has wanted to be president since her days campaigning for Goldwater. She probably wants it almost more than Rove wants to rig an election for a Republican again.
I wonder though, did Trump announce his candidacy in order to have a year long ego boost, akin to his half hearted bid in 2011...but he had no idea how wildly popular he would get, and is now along for the ride?
Or do some here think he will have reality set in? As no indication his numbers are sinking or will sink soon.

In a way the rise of Trump reminds me a little bit of the 2006 Robin Williams film Man of the year(where Robin runs for president as a stunt, but the political climate is in such disarray his
popularity soars)


and Tim Robbin's Bob Roberts from 1992


Bob Roberts even has a scene where the super right wing entertainer character Bob appears on a Saturday Night Live copycat show

[zangtang]

its not as if Hilary and Rove are diametrically opposed...........

i reckon they'd hunker down like pigs in shit.

[wordspeak2]

So is the theory that he's in it to let Hillary win? I doubt it. I think a massive ego beyond which any of us could conceptualize explains it. But he is buddies with the Clintons, and has donated to Hillary.

[8bitagent]

So is the theory that he's in it to let Hillary win? I doubt it. I think a massive ego beyond which any of us could conceptualize explains it. But he is buddies with the Clintons, and has donated to Hillary.

yeah the only one really floating the "trump is a hillary spoiler" is Glenn Beck, but I had no idea how tied to the Clintons Trump is. I don't remember Obama being friednsies with Mccain or Romney. But I agree with you, that Trump's ego wouldn't let him merely be a stooge.

Still hoping Sanders has a remote chance in the primaries

[zangtang]

how about a billion dollars in real estate tax weaselry upon completion ?

[nashvillebrook]

Trump being a Hillary plant is magical thinking...the same way Al Gore standing up for a recount was magical thinking. Or John Kerry probing voting irregularities in Ohio was magical thinking. People need to believe that there's some order and justice, and that the "good people" who rise to the top are somehow equipped (like Superfriends) to fight for us. It's just not so.

Trump's polling has establishment Republicans terrified. His trendline is solid and unabated. With the discovery of the new 7-page GOP strategy memo, it seems the Republicans are learning to love them some Trump b/c they see from the polling that he can beat Clinton (but not Sanders).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/private-memo-lays-out-how-the-gop-would-deal-with-trump-as-its-nominee/2015/12/02/78514cba-9909-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html

There's also the "threat" that the progressive wing of the party will take a strategic approach to the General, should HRC get the nom, and sit it out. Well, could be a combination of strategy and sentiment: "ain't no way I can vote for another Clinton."

This actually makes a lot of sense, b/c the territory we're fighting for out in the states is redistricting (gerrymandering), which is decided in 2020. So the OFF-YEAR elections are more important to movement progressives than the presidential. We need a wave of left dems in 2018 who will be sitting in states for the 2020 redraw. We will be crushed in off-year elections with a Clinton White House, likely losing purple states like Florida, forever. You think Rick Scott and Scott Walker were bad...just wait until they have these states dialed in completely. I fear for what that could bring.

Trump isn't a Hillary plant. He might have started out with a wink and nod from her camp..."oh, THIS will go nowhere, AND it will triangulate Republicans right off the table." I can totally see that thinking. The Trump as HRC plant meme gained traction b/c so many people can imagine this scenario. But look how wrong-headed it is. He can actually beat HRC.

[zangtang]

Who amongst you is confident you won't be living under martial law by 2020 irrespective of which insane lickspittle fucking psychopath steals the selection next year?

[tapitsbo]

I'm interested in Jack's plan to win back the hearts and minds of the Trump demographic...

[8bitagent]

Trump being a Hillary plant is magical thinking...the same way Al Gore standing up for a recount was magical thinking. Or John Kerry probing voting irregularities in Ohio was magical thinking. People need to believe that there's some order and justice, and that the "good people" who rise to the top are somehow equipped (like Superfriends) to fight for us. It's just not so.

Trump's polling has establishment Republicans terrified. His trendline is solid and unabated. With the discovery of the new 7-page GOP strategy memo, it seems the Republicans are learning to love them some Trump b/c they see from the polling that he can beat Clinton (but not Sanders).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/private-memo-lays-out-how-the-gop-would-deal-with-trump-as-its-nominee/2015/12/02/78514cba-9909-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html

There's also the "threat" that the progressive wing of the party will take a strategic approach to the General, should HRC get the nom, and sit it out. Well, could be a combination of strategy and sentiment: "ain't no way I can vote for another Clinton."

This actually makes a lot of sense, b/c the territory we're fighting for out in the states is redistricting (gerrymandering), which is decided in 2020. So the OFF-YEAR elections are more important to movement progressives than the presidential. We need a wave of left dems in 2018 who will be sitting in states for the 2020 redraw. We will be crushed in off-year elections with a Clinton White House, likely losing purple states like Florida, forever. You think Rick Scott and Scott Walker were bad...just wait until they have these states dialed in completely. I fear for what that could bring.

Trump isn't a Hillary plant. He might have started out with a wink and nod from her camp..."oh, THIS will go nowhere, AND it will triangulate Republicans right off the table." I can totally see that thinking. The Trump as HRC plant meme gained traction b/c so many people can imagine this scenario. But look how wrong-headed it is. He can actually beat HRC.

I agree with you. There's an assumption, still, by everyone that Trump will waiver and lose footing like Ben Carson. Democrats/Liberals/Leftists are expected to fall in line behind Hillary if Sanders doesn't get the nomination. I definitely believe in an "outsider vs outsider" free for all general of Trump vs Sanders, Sanders would win. I think Sanders even gets some of the 'white survivalist/fringe/militia" types assumed to go for Trump. As someone
surveying the private Facebook/Twitter/online grassroots groups by millennials for Sanders, the rhetoric for Hillary is particularly nasty. Which means that you are right, if it came down to Clinton vs Trump in a general, there could
be a significant sit-out of disenfranchised liberals. Mixed with the usual young voter apathy. "Bernie or Bust" is a real sentiment. So pretty much, if people believe Sanders is the right person, they better get their ass to the polls in their states beginning in February thru July. I think with each passing day and week, Trump locking the GOP nomination becomes more of a reality.

There was this assumption, even from me, that Jeb Bush would be the GOP frontrunner. Now he's barely holding onto 3%. There will come a time when we all will wish Jeb was the GOP frontrunner.
So pushing the meme that "Trump is a Clinton operative" is one way to shake people from supporting him regardless if it's true or not. I think it's telling that you now have the "alt right" like Alex Jones alongside the Rush Limbaughs telling their flock to vote for Trump. Even if there's the "establishment" Karl Rove, Kochs, etc ready to back an anti Trump initiative....even if we have long thought the "establishment" GOP is the ultimate evil, I do think it's becoming more possible a more insidious darkness known as Trump could become a new reality(or a new normal) Will be only a matter of months, or weeks before the GOP big money realizes it'd be pointless to fight trump, and start hedging their billions behind the nutjob

[8bitagent]

I gotta think, if you're Team Hillary, you got to be loving this. Trump is now just hitching the overton window by the neck to a backwoods Texas truck and pressing his foot on the pedal.
I've seen some speculate he's going to fully implode in short time by going against African Americans soon. And not just in wink and nod Fox News dog whistles. As he has really nowhere
left to go if he's nose diving into the deepest fears and hatred in his base.

What's striking to me is he hasn't even attempted really, to try and court the evangelical base. It seems he's hedging all his bets on the most far right wing and afraid of America.
Which means to me, either he's insane....he somehow thinks this will shore up enough for a July nomination...or he's nosediving into dark territory so Hillary can sweep.

What other explanation is there? Was there anyone in his inner circle of business relations or friends from years ago, other than his "Central Park 5" outrage, that he was
a closet stormer?

[stefano]

What's striking to me is he hasn't even attempted really, to try and court the evangelical base. It seems he's hedging all his bets on the most far right wing and afraid of America.

Are those not typically the same people?

"I'm a good Christian," the Republican presidential front-runner said. "If I become president, we're gonna be saying Merry Christmas at every store ... You can leave happy holidays at the corner."

The United States will have "absolutely no choice" but to close down some mosques where "some bad things are happening," Donald Trump said in a recent interview, explaining his rationale for doing so.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

[Elvis]

Read/Don't Read Notice (R/DRN): the following is a needless expression of malformed opinions and reactionary speculations. Under the rules of Fair Use (FU), they may be freely rejected, ignored, attacked, condemned or ridiculed without restriction. The author reserves all rights not to be taken seriously. "Trump" here means a card in a suit any of whose cards will win over a card that is not in this suit. For more information, reread this paragraph.

Trump is one of the better arguments against democracy. He could win—but wouldn't it be interesting if Trump won the popular vote but not the electoral vote? Would Trump or his herdcore followers take lying down the way Kerry, Gore and a detumescent Democratic party did, even when the vote itself was obviously in question? Street actions wouldn't be like Occupy.

If I was Trump, I'd mobilize the "open carry" clubs and gangs into paramilitary groups, maybe give them some snappy uniforms to wear. With a little goading of the lock-n-load crowd, there's no telling where things could go (straight to hell comes to mind). A lot of people would join just to be on the safe side. Then on election day, have them do that self-appointed wingnut 'poll monitor' thing, checking ID and all that. In areas with snail-mail voting, concentrate on beating up local candidates, smashing up offices etc.

Okay whatever, so say Trump wins. As president he could fold those units into the Natural Guard system, but keep them separate as his special counterterrorist squads.

Wait, how did this happen?

What kind of deals might Trump make in the coming year? Could vulnerable voting machines play an unexpected role? Between now and then, could Trump be successfully flattered, mollified and/or compromised to the point that he and the entrenched warbucks/intel crowd can get along with each other? Wouldn't all parties to that understanding actually be loving it?

[backtoiam]

Elvis mentioned Jeb earlier and I was thinking about that. Jeb has sort of been the quiet one in this whole deal.

Trump is the grand horn full of bullshit in this arena. Considering the fact that he is speaking so many things the American public wants to hear he could pull this wagon home hands down in a landslide but I'm not so sure he would be willing.

They have been burning Hillary's wagon with this silly email business and I have wondered what that is all about. I suspect that is either to make her look pristine because in the mind of the American public "my god if an email account is the worst she is a saint! ".....maybe just to soak up the air time in the media so that nothing really serious can come out like....well never mind i'm not going there but trust me its bad. Worse than most people would ever imagine.

Then you have Jeb. They haven't scarred him up in this deal. I'm wondering if they may trot his sorry ass out in the latter stages of this and make him the hero. They have not beat him up bad. Maybe they are saving him for the hero role?

[AlicetheKurious]

[stefano]

maybe just to soak up the air time in the media so that nothing really serious can come out like....well never mind i'm not going there but trust me its bad. Worse than most people would ever imagine.

Why aren't you going there? On this forum? Sounds interesting, and I'm sure whatever it is it's already on here. Surely not worse than Libya, Iraq and Syria.