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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:18 pm

SonicG » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:53 pm wrote:
8bitagent » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:34 am wrote:I was at the big mall near me earlier, and something dropped from maintenance crews were doing, and it created a couple of really loud crack sounds. You could kind of see everyone do this quick slight duck/reaction thing, before going back to their smart phones. It reminded me how every year 'experts' say around this time that malls are a rich soft target around the holidays for terrorism, yet a part of me can't help but think it definitely seems more plausible now(tho the last time that happened was in Omaha in 07, tho it was by the usual lone nut kid) A tired conspiracy trope to say, yes, but "they" need something to catalyze the public toward something they need to push.


Been mentioned already but the whole angle of missing an opportunity to really cause mayhem on the part of these terrorists, much like the suicide bobmbers in Paris who decided just to blow themselves up in corner, cannot be looked at enough. Already on a bloodthirsty tear killing people that Farook knew and if not friendly, certainly dealt with on a friendly basis every day, they have hours, and ammo and bombs to drive to any mall in LA and really let loose.

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Oh just saw this
NBC News has learned that early Saturday the FBI searched the Riverside, California home of Enrique Marquez, the man authorities believe originally bought the assault rifles used in the San Bernardino shooting rampage that killed 14.

An FBI official said that Marquez is not considered a suspect in the shooting.
During the search of Marquez's home, neighbors say, agents cut open the garage door with blow torches, used bomb-sniffing dogs, and temporarily detained his father and younger brother. The man's father told NBC News Saturday afternoon that he does not know where Marquez is and declined further comment.

Federal officials say the two assault weapons were originally bought in 2011 and 2012 by Marquez, said to be a friend of Farook's, but investigators don't yet know whether Farook gave him the money upfront, or obtained the guns from him later.

A neighbor who witnessed the search told NBC News that Marquez and Farook had been close friends since childhood but appeared to have grown more distant in recent months.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-be ... ns-n474911


President Hollande was in the Stadium, which makes the audacity of the Paris attack all the more crazy. If they had gotten in, oof that would have been bad. But yeah it's odd they blew themselves up where noone could be hurt. Some say as a diversion or that they tried to enter but were not allowed in line.

Had the San Bernadino couple unleashed utter hell in a crowded public place, like a mall or sporting event or something else, I can imagine the anger and fear would be much higher than what actually happened(which is bad enough) I've crudely seen the "Great, ISIS is now targetting retard centers" remarks made; and it is an...odd choice for a target. However horrible, and Im glad no patients were killed
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:20 pm

Shouldn't be too hard to find a guy named Enrique Marquez in Southern California.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:30 pm

Is there news video of law enforcement people removing the guns, bombs and ammo from the place? (The same place invaded by reporters?)

Sorry I haven't watched the news clips myself, but is there any certainty the FBI (or whoever) actually seized the items for which they left a receipt?


edit: in the still photos, I noticed that at least one PC had apparently been pulled from computer carriage.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby OccultariSafari » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:42 pm

Elvis » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:30 pm wrote:Is there news video of law enforcement people removing the guns, bombs and ammo from the place? (The same place invaded by reporters?)

Sorry I haven't watched the news clips myself, but is there any certainty the FBI (or whoever) actually seized the items for which they left a receipt?


edit: in the still photos, I noticed that at least one PC had apparently been pulled from computer carriage.


All I have seen is aerial footage of people in khaki pants and 3 letter agency shirts standing around looking official. They are pulling shit out in brown bags, but judging by what was left in that place when the media got in? They probably left as much as they seized.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:21 pm

Eyewitness saw three tall, athletically built and identically dressed MEN. No 90 lb woman involved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-d ... -shooting/

Oh wait. Elfismiles already posted this. Sorry. I missed it earlier. Fwiw it seems to be getting a lot of play on FB, being CBS news and all.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby SonicG » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:21 am

Nordic » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:21 am wrote:Eyewitness saw three tall, athletically built and identically dressed MEN. No 90 lb woman involved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-d ... -shooting/

Oh wait. Elfismiles already posted this. Sorry. I missed it earlier. Fwiw it seems to be getting a lot of play on FB, being CBS news and all.


She states it fairly confidently although when you are being shot at, I would imagine panic clouds things. Has there been any other eyewitnesses stating three male shooters? Geez, one article is now pointing to the wife as the "mastermind", and of course, "if we can't stop one terrorist from SA, how we can stop the 25,000 Syrians Obama wants to let in tomorrow?" meme....
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:22 am

Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:21 pm wrote:Eyewitness saw three tall, athletically built and identically dressed MEN. No 90 lb woman involved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-d ... -shooting/

Oh wait. Elfismiles already posted this. Sorry. I missed it earlier. Fwiw it seems to be getting a lot of play on FB, being CBS news and all.


Man, that is eerie as hell to hear. This woman was right *there* at the shooting, describing three men in military garb shooting. Which is what others saw. Any chance Inland has agency over their security or was that nabbed by the FBI like the adjacent building to the Murrah building in 95? So many other mass shootings also have reports of guys in military garb nearby or involved. From Sandy Hook and Batman Aurora to the 2002 DC Sniper case. Yet, they all disappear...like shadows. eerie.

*EDIT* this woman INSISTS they were three tall white guys. good lord. sounds like delta/seals/blackwater types.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:35 am

Who are you gonna believe, us or your lying eyewitnesses?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Nordic » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:55 am

San Bernadino.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardino_of_Siena

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WT effing F!!!

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby elfismiles » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:15 am

Stasi: San Bernardino killers were radical, ISIS-loving monsters — but one of their victims was just as bigoted
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, December 5, 2015, 7:57 PM

They were two hate-filled, bigoted municipal employees interacting in one department. Now 13 innocent people are dead in unspeakable carnage.

One man spent his free time writing frightening, NRA-loving, hate-filled screeds on Facebook about the other’s religion.

The other man quietly stewed and brewed his bigotry, collecting the kind of arsenal that the Facebook poster would have envied.

What they didn’t realize is that except for their different religions they were in many ways similar men who even had the same job.

One man, the Muslim, was a loser who had to travel all the way to Pakistan to get himself an email bride. (I refuse to add to their fame by using the killer and his murderous wife’s names.)

That wife radicalized him and fueled his hatred. The FBI is investigating her ties to Al Qaeda and ISIS. Go to the Middle East, meet your new wife, meet some terror leaders, begin your wedded bliss back in the USA.

The other man, the victim, Nicholas Thalasinos, was a radical Born Again Christian/Messianic Jew, who also connected with his future wife online and had traveled across the country to meet her.

The killer, however, became half of an Islamic Bonnie & Clyde, while the other died as the male equivalent of Pamela Geller.

The killers deserve every disgusting adjective thrown at them. And more.

But the victim is also inaccurately being eulogized as a kind and loving religious man.

Make no mistake, as disgusting and deservedly dead as the hate-filled fanatical Muslim killers were, Thalasinos was also a hate-filled bigot. Death can’t change that. But in the U.S., we don’t die for speaking our minds. Or we’re not supposed to anyway.

Thalasinos was an anti-government, anti-Islam, pro-NRA, rabidly anti-Planned Parenthood kinda guy, who posted that it would be “Freaking Awesome” if hateful Ann Coulter was named head of Homeland Security. He asked, “IS 1. EVERY POLITICIAN IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR? 2. EVERY POLITICIAN IS A MORON? 3. EVERY POLITICIAN IS RACIST AGAINST JEWS?” He also posted screeds like, “You can stick your Muslim Million Man march up your asses,” and how “Hashem” should blow up Iran.

His Facebook page warns that “Without HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN (Democrats) would have NO SOURCE of BABIES to SACRIFICE and SELL!”

We have freedom of speech but even so, a city worker should refrain from such public bigotry. Municipal workers have been fired for spewing and posting racial and sexual slurs.

On the other side, the killer and his Jihad-loving Pakistani wife were keeping their hatred quiet, while legally assembling an arsenal of assault weapons, 7,000 rounds of ammo, and illegally making 15 pipe bombs under their neighbors’ noses.

Whatever spurred the carnage, the end result was the murder and maiming of innocent people enjoying a holiday party.

Keeping an arsenal is a protected right, but using the term, “Christmas” party? Now that could be trouble.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2456491
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:27 am

boy howdy thanks for that

But the victim is also inaccurately being eulogized as a kind and loving religious man.

Make no mistake, as disgusting and deservedly dead as the hate-filled fanatical Muslim killers were, Thalasinos was also a hate-filled bigot. Death can’t change that. But in the U.S., we don’t die for speaking our minds. Or we’re not supposed to anyway.

Thalasinos was an anti-government, anti-Islam, pro-NRA, rabidly anti-Planned Parenthood kinda guy, who posted that it would be “Freaking Awesome” if hateful Ann Coulter was named head of Homeland Security. He asked, “IS 1. EVERY POLITICIAN IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR? 2. EVERY POLITICIAN IS A MORON? 3. EVERY POLITICIAN IS RACIST AGAINST JEWS?” He also posted screeds like, “You can stick your Muslim Million Man march up your asses,” and how “Hashem” should blow up Iran.

His Facebook page warns that “Without HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN (Democrats) would have NO SOURCE of BABIES to SACRIFICE and SELL!”



what the hell is ...
The other man, the victim, Nicholas Thalasinos, was a radical Born Again Christian/Messianic Jew
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Don’t forget that.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:27 pm

elfismiles » 06 Dec 2015 15:15 wrote:
That wife radicalized him and fueled his hatred. The FBI is investigating her ties to Al Qaeda and ISIS. Go to the Middle East, meet your new wife, meet some terror leaders, begin your wedded bliss back in the USA.


I love US "journalism". To our major "journalists", these are now well-known, oft-SITEd facts.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:50 pm

These are very good questions. I've watched a bit of CNN (as much as I can bear) over the past couple of days, and some of these questions occurred to me, too. Though nobody on the "news" seems to be interested in asking them, for some annoying reason.

BTW, I included only some of the links below. The rest can be found in the original article. I strongly urge interested readers to check out the links I did include, because they have some very interesting information.

San Bernadino shooting story “shot full of holes” by patsies’ attorney
By Kevin Barrett on December 6, 2015

Ten questions THEY don't want you to ask




By Kevin Barrett, Veterans Today Editor

As CNN has reported, an attorney in the case has stated bluntly that the government’s account of what happened in San Bernadino “does not add up.”

One think we know for sure: The government is lying. So what really happened? Here are some obvious questions that the mainstream media is afraid to ask.

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Since the windows of the couple’s SUV were found rolled up and blown out, how could the couple have initiated a gun battle with police through rolled-up windows? Nobody is going to fire assault weapons through rolled-up vehicle windows. The logical inference is that the police executed these people in cold blood. There was no “shootout.”

Both victims were found dead in handcuffs. Are we supposed to believe that they initiated a gun battle with police while wearing handcuffs and shooting through rolled-up windows?! It seems that the two patsies were handcuffed, set in place for execution according to a scripted plan, and summarily shot dead.

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Why the handcuffs?

Why the handcuffs?

If the alleged shooters really “had contact with Syrian al Qaeda-affiliated group AND al Shabaab in Somalia” why wouldn’t the authorities make every effort to capture them alive so they could be interrogated, and their alleged terror network dismantled? This same question comes up every time the authorities summarily execute terror suspects and/or witnesses – Bin Laden, Mohamed Merah, the Charlie Hebdo patsies, Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev and key witness Ibragim Todashev…

4. If the couple was really part of a terrorist network, would the FBI let the media ransack the crime scene?

5. If this supposed radical Muslim Bonnie-and-Clyde acted alone, who was the third gunman reported by multiple eyewitnesses?

6. Could the five foot tall, under-125-pound woman really have handled: A tactic vest • Body armor • Smith & Wesson M&P .223 Caliber Assault rifle • Magazine re-loading clips • Hand gun • Spare pipe bomb, detonator…and then tweeted her allegiance to Islamic State exactly one minute after the shooting began? “She posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook while the shooting was happening, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.”

7. Why would Inland Regional Center conduct active shooter drills “every month or so” as reported by the Los Angeles Times?

8. Is it just a coincidence that the only center for disabled people in the world that conducts active shooter drills every month (I challenge readers to find another one) happened to be the place where either (a) a huge mass shooting just happened to erupt, or (b) a drill went live?

9. And if it’s just a coincidence, were the 46 drills of 9/11 also a coincidence, Peter Power’s terror drills on 7/7/2005 yet another coincidence, the Boston Marathon bomb drills one more coincidence, the multiple-location active shooter exercises in Paris on 11/13 just another coincidence…and to accept all this “coincidence,” do you have to be a batshit-crazy coincidence theorist?

10. If this were really “radical Islamic terrorism,” why would the perpetrators kill a bunch of disabled people, rather than targeting high-level individuals who are responsible for the murder of more than a million Muslims since the 9/11/2001 neocon propaganda stunt?

If we ever hear: “This just in! Radical Muslim terrorists have slaughtered Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, and the other architects of the genocidal War on Islam in General and Palestine in Particular launched by the 9/11 inside job,” I just might believe it. Until that day, we are safe in assuming that the increasingly ridiculous stories of alleged radical Islamist attacks on random civilians that no Muslim would ever want to harm – like virtually all alleged Islamic terror plots since 9/11, according to Aaronson’s detailed investigation – are part of the same Gladio B program launched by the 9/11 neocon coup d’état. Link
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:00 pm

It just keeps getting better

AP: WASHINGTON

The U.S. government's ability to review and analyze five years' worth of telephone records for the married couple blamed in the deadly shootings in California lapsed just four days earlier when the National Security Agency's controversial mass surveillance program was formally shut down.

Under a court order, those historical calling records at the NSA are now off-limits to agents running the FBI terrorism investigation even with a warrant.

Instead, under the new USA Freedom Act, authorities were able to obtain roughly two years' worth of calling records directly from the phone companies of the married couple blamed in the attack. The period covered the entire time that the wife, Tashfeen Malik, lived in the United States, although her husband, Syed Farook, had been here much longer. She moved from Pakistan to the U.S. in July 2014 and married Farook the following month. He was born in Chicago in 1987 and raised in southern California.

FBI Director James Comey declined to say Friday whether the NSA program's shutdown affected the government's terrorism investigation in California.
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