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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:30 am

They experimented with doing these drills in schools with little children but it pissed the parents off so bad they scaled it back a little. But they fully intend to pick that routine back up too. There are cops roaming around in schools these days, sometimes beating the hell out of the children and hand cuffing them for little insubordinate things that the school principal used to simply whoop that ass for and send the kid back to class with his little whooped his. That was better than what is coming in the future.

The pattern will continue and progress. This was planned long ago and you can bet your ass it will proliferate.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MinM » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:58 am

stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:35 am wrote:
justdrew » 08 Dec 2015 04:29 wrote:
Nordic » 07 Dec 2015 20:13 wrote:
justdrew » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:06 pm wrote:
stickdog99 » 07 Dec 2015 19:55 wrote:
justdrew » 08 Dec 2015 03:35 wrote:the guy was identified early on by the sound of his voice


Where did you see that? The NY Times puff piece on the survivors said that the assailants never spoke.


"Witnesses said they recognized Farook as one of the shooters by his voice and build..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_shooting
#21. ^ Dean Hopkins, Christopher; Wagner, Laura (December 3, 2015). "Police Identify Suspects Killed After Deadly San Bernardino Shooting". [url=/wiki/NPR]NPR[/url]. Retrieved December 3, 2015.



But says who? Have we actually seen a credible witness say this? Or was this fed to us by the police?


the line is attributed to "a source"


Yep. From the original article:

"A source tells Dina (NPR Reporter Dina Temple-Raston) that witnesses appeared to recognize his voice and build even though he was wearing a ski mask."

Good old reliable Dina Temple-Raston .. always there to fill in the missing pieces.
MinM » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:06 pm wrote:
beeline wrote:Posted on Wed, Dec. 9, 2009

The men, Muslims from northern Virginia and the Washington area, remain in the custody of Pakistani authorities in Sargodha, the eastern city where they were arrested. They have yet to be charged...

How To Prevent Home Grown Terrorism : NPR
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington.

Last week, Pakistani authorities arrested five young Muslim Americans from the Washington, D.C., area. Investigators believe the young men left home in northern Virginia with the intention of getting training to go fight U.S. forces in Afghanistan. U.S. officials say the group used social networking site Facebook and Internet videos on YouTube to contact extremist groups in Pakistan.

Small groups of self-radicalized American Muslims have plotted attacks in this country since 9/11, but there appears to be a change in this pattern lately. The Alexandria Five, as they're being called, used contacts overseas. So did Major Nadal Hasan, the man accused in the shootings at Fort Hood, and Najibullah Zaziallegedly planned to blow up buildings in New York after being trained in Pakistan...

CONAN: And what do we know about these five young men?

TEMPLE-RASTON: Well, I'll tell you, what's really different about these five young men, they went overseas, and they clearly - FBI officials feel they clearly radicalized themselves watching videos on the Internet... point of view than they might see on CNN or ABC or Fox News...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =121473067

Patsy Zazi confesses to NYC subway bomb plot
Feb 26, 2010, 00:50
No, Patsy Zazi isn’t a Mafia guy from Bensonhurst. He’s from Afghanistan, full name Najibullah Zazi, working as a shuttle bus driver here, and here to detonate potent explosives in New York’s subway system. Probably can’t stand the increased crowds, fares, and reduction in services, especially on the weekends.

Actually, the Washington Post and the New York Times were more than relieved to tell us in almost identical three page rewrites of White House press releases that his real mission is to play out his role in a “martyrdom operation” that the powers that be call “one of the most serious terrorism plots on American soil since 9/11/2001.”

And lucky for us, this is the one they managed to catch, not like the original perpetrators of 9/11 who managed to kill some 2,600 souls, and whose deeds are now threatening the lives of more than 9,000 first responders who dug themselves into “the hole” of Ground Zero, coming down with any number of fatal diseases working in the non-stop eight-month clean-up (for which 30 months had been allotted by Sheriff Giuliani). No thanks Rudy.

If I sound pissed off, I am, especially at the effrontery to my intelligence by US intelligence for this, the fourth so-called “terrorist” who targeted US sites, preceded by accused US army base shooter Major Nidal M. Hasan in Fort Hood, Texas’ Nigerian youth Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, plus idiot shoe bomber Richard Reid flying into Miami, using the identical explosive PETN in one in of his shoes, as Farouk did in his shorts, both lacking blasting caps to guarantee failure.

It’s already been shown that Abdulmutallab was ushered onto a plane without a passport, only a visa, by a large, well-dressed man with an American accent (most probably CIA), who said to the airline desk person, Farouk was a poor Sudanese and this is how we do it, and zap, Farouk was good to go.

Of course, this poor Sudanese had come up with $2,800 bucks or so in cash to buy a ticket to travel, and carried only one bag. Who the hell are they kidding? The Boston couple, both lawyers, that overhead the dialogue have been shunted into silence, though they spoke out originally on the Internet of the “hoaxability” of it all. Additionally, we have learned that the Schipol Airport in Amsterdam, from which Farouk’s last hop to the US originated, is an Israel/Mossad operated transit point for whatever needs to be shipped.

This all came on the heels of New York Governor David Paterson telling House staff members New York City could not handle the trial of waterboarded [183 times in March, 2003) Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his quartet of alleged conspirator/singers, because it would only “exacerbate tension and anxiety in the area,” which includes the notorious Wall Street, mother of all financial 9/11s. Wouldn’t want to slow those terrorists down for a minute, would we?

Returning to Zazi, an Afghan immigrant legally residing in the US . . . he purportedly traveled to “an al-Qaeda stronghold [WP] in Pakistan in August 2008 to receive weapons training so he could fight alongside the Taliban, according to Justice Department and FBI officials. But jihadists redirected him and two confederates to focus their energies on a suicide attack on the US mainland.” What a coincidence. It seems all the others patsies had contact with al-Qaeda terrorists or friends of same, and were pumped to hurt us.

In Zazi’s case, he went back to Colorado in January 2009, carrying notes on how to mix explosive chemicals. This dumb ass actually bought large volumes of beauty supplies that contained hydrogen peroxide to make TATP, the explosive involved in the 2005 bombings of the London transit system, another MI5/6 op, which had a parallel terror-drill running with it as on 9/11.

I’m surprised he didn’t tell them he wanted to be a blond, seeing how much success blonds have in our culture, even a cult-status in the movies. Also, if he wanted that much peroxide why didn’t he buy peroxide? I mean the thin cover of other beauty supplies afforded him no cover. Or was the guy contemplating becoming a cross dresser?

This stuff gets so stupid it crosses my eyes. We even have Zazi on tape, filling up his shopping cart with the “beauty supplies.”

Anyhow, the 25-year old Zazi “aroused the interest” of law enforcement and was tracked by teams of FBI agents, police, and home-selling beauty products saleswomen for Avon. He seems he really ticked off the stock clerk at the cosmetics outlet. Why not? Anything’s possible.

The law enforcers stopped Zazi in his vehicle crossing into Manhattan. Just the way they stopped the five dancing Israelis in their Urban Movers van on whose roof they had been dancing in Liberty Park as the Towers were going down across the Hudson River in the background and the dancing dude was flicking his Bic, thinking it was all a big joke.

They were busted by the FBI and hung out for several months in jail, but then were released to go back to Israel. There they appeared on TV and told the homeland they were documenting the event. For what, their files on false-flag ops? Their boss, who had escaped before they did, stayed in Israel as well. Not a one extradited.

Bottom line, of the three Urban Movers’ vans found, one near the Holland Tunnel, one near the George Washington Bridge, and the one in Jersey, bomb-sniffing dogs discovered explosives. There were also wads of cash in the vans, maps of the NYC transit system, bridges and tunnels as well. And they walked away clean, no confessions, no I’m sorry, no nothing. This not only compounds the idiocy but points to the demonization of Muslims, and the presence of Israel in what seem more like false-flag operations...


Returning to “antiterrorism expert” Hoffmann, he adds: “It’s remains unclear how US authorities came to suspect Zazi. Did they pick up the plot through a web of proved post-9/11 intelligence collections methods, or did the US government simply stumble across an informant?” Or did the US government set the whole op up to create fear and panic?

He goes on to further pat everyone and himself on the back for this non-event by saying, “It’s a tremendous triumph for the US national security system and justice system that we got him, but the circumstances that led to that, do they reflect that the US is on the right track in counterterrorism, or did we just get lucky? . . . How much of it was skill, and how much of it was luck?” And how much of it was a totally fabricated op? ...

Perhaps the FBI was tired of "catching" these radicalized terrorists just in the nick of time?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:25 pm

Luther Blissett » 08 Dec 2015 14:43 wrote:
justdrew » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:35 pm wrote:I'm not seeing what time they fled their house in the rented SUV

Seems like they must have had ~3 hours at home after the mass shooting before they fled in the SUV, also not seeing how long they drove around before the shootout at about 3pm.

Why would they have left the house? and isn't it odd that the police didn't block the SUV, why let them drive off?

the guy was identified early on by the sound of his voice and his build by a survivor, so he must have been suspect #1 pretty much all along.

So I wonder what they were up to at home for 3+ hours with, presumably, cops visible outside much of the time.


They were probably just cleaning up around the house or hanging out since they still had the sitter for another few hours, and then left to go pick their baby up from the grandparents. Rather than "fleeing" it was probably just "leaving".

Does anyone have a map of their home, the location of their deaths, the grandparents' home, and the center where the shooting took place?


The grandmother lived with them, so they did not drop the kid off anywhere. They just left the kid at home and went to a doctor's appointment.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:04 pm

Why would they drive a rental car? Has any reason been given? Didn't the family own at least two cars?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:23 pm

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/radicalized ... -1.2691073

Days before killing 14 people at a holiday party, Syed Farook practised with a rifle during one of several recent visits to a Southern California shooting range, authorities said. Sometimes he was joined by his wife, his partner in the attack.

Farook visited Riverside Magnum Range on Nov. 29 and 30, according to an instructor at the range about 20 miles from the Inland Regional Center, where the couple opened fire on Farook's co-workers Dec. 2.

John Galletta said Monday that nothing was out of the ordinary about Farook's behaviour but that Farook asked a range employee why his rifle might be smoking. He was told it was most likely because it was new.



In a new twist that I think was meant to quiet questions about how a 90 lb women with zero military or munitions training managed to turn into a mass murdering, police fire fighting rampaging Rambo, the FBI said for the first time yesterday that both Farook and his wife had practiced at firing ranges with assault rifles in the weeks leading up the shooting.

But I don't think they thought this little lie through well enough. Would a woman who was supposedly so devout and submissive that she would not drive or ever let anyone see her face really go out to shoot assault rifles at multiple shooting ranges? Had she done so, wouldn't this sight have been memorable to the other people at the shooting range? A Muslim couple, including a tiny women in a hijab and full Muslim dress, practiced shooting with two ATF-grade assault weapons at multiple firing ranges and none of the racists who populate these ranges even blinked an eye?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:28 pm

Elvis » 08 Dec 2015 19:04 wrote:Why would they drive a rental car? Has any reason been given? Didn't the family own at least two cars?

No reason has been given. No narrative of why they needed the rental has been given. No narrative of why, when or how they went to Utah to pick up the rental has been given. No interviews of neighbors saying they noticed the rental or found it suspicious have been released. But one article I read (I forget which) said the FBI said a charge for the rental appeared on Farook's credit card statement.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:32 pm

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/radicalized ... -1.2691073

Authorities discovered 19 pipes in the couple's home in the neighbouring city of Redlands that could be turned into bombs, Bowdich said. The FBI previously said it had found 12 pipe bombs.

Newly released emergency radio transmissions from the fast-moving tragedy show that police identified Farook as a suspect almost immediately, even though witnesses reported that the attackers wore black ski masks.

The two assault rifles used in the attack had been legally purchased by an old friend of Farook's, Enrique Marquez, authorities said, but they are still trying to determine how the couple got the weapons. Marquez has not been charged with a crime.

Porter, of the health department, said neither shooter spoke before firing.

"We weren't quite sure if it was an exercise the staff were throwing that they forgot to tell us about," he said, "but we all reacted instinctively and went under our tables."
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Postby IanEye » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:34 pm

stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:28 pm wrote:No narrative of why, when or how they went to Utah to pick up the rental has been given.


They wouldn't have needed to be in Utah to end up with a rental with Utah plates.

Why they would have needed a rental in the first place is still a good question.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:51 pm

stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:28 pm wrote:
Elvis » 08 Dec 2015 19:04 wrote:Why would they drive a rental car? Has any reason been given? Didn't the family own at least two cars?

No reason has been given. No narrative of why they needed the rental has been given. No narrative of why, when or how they went to Utah to pick up the rental has been given. No interviews of neighbors saying they noticed the rental or found it suspicious have been released. But one article I read (I forget which) said the FBI said a charge for the rental appeared on Farook's credit card statement.



Thanks, Stickdog, and thanks for collating some of the issues & details.
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Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:55 pm

IanEye » 08 Dec 2015 19:34 wrote:
stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:28 pm wrote:No narrative of why, when or how they went to Utah to pick up the rental has been given.


They wouldn't have needed to be in Utah to end up with a rental with Utah plates.


Yeah. I thought of that after I posted.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:58 pm

http://la.suntimes.com/la-news/7/88/413 ... er-sources

Members of a Joint Terrorism Task Force are looking into a report that someone resembling one of the San Bernardino shooters tried to enter a downtown Los Angeles high-rise building in recent weeks, law enforcement sources told NBC News. The account of someone who looked like 28-year-old Syed Farook and another man unsuccessfully trying to enter the building came from management at the 53-story tower at 601 Figueroa Street, sources told the NBC News Investigative Unit.

A response to the dispatch recordings?

This still does not explain why LA cops would be interested in or even aware of Farook before the SB shooting.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:03 pm

Is there a hypothesis that exists anywhere out there in the world that says SITE regularly selects and monitors readymade patsy comings and goings so that they can be transformed into perps without their knowing at any moment, based on events and needs?

Thanks for the correction on the grandparents living at home earlier.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:29 pm

stickdog99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:25 pm wrote:
The grandmother lived with them, so they did not drop the kid off anywhere. They just left the kid at home and went to a doctor's appointment.


You know, that is one of the details that reveals the real rank viciousness of the corporate media, their knowing tendentiousness and their sheer cowardly dishonesty. In every news report I read, the hacks stated that the couple had "left the baby with her grandmother" as if this were something out-of-the-ordinary, something a bit unusual, something pretty suspect, something they had had to travel in order to do.

And it's just one detail among many.

Those people are clearly innocent, they were set up and murdered, and their names were immediately blackened in (and by) the media, to provide a further transparent pretext for the ongoing war on Syria.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:31 pm

To my own surprise, I'm not all that convinced (trying! LOL) that these people didn't act on their own -- however! -- the fact that SITE is involved (if that is indeed the case) certainly adds some weight to the psyop hypothesis.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:35 pm

Elvis » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:31 pm wrote:To my own surprise, I'm not all that convinced (trying! LOL) that these people didn't act on their own -- however! -- the fact that SITE is involved (if that is indeed the case) certainly adds some weight to the psyop hypothesis.


What leaves you less-than-convinced, Elvis?

not all that convinced (trying! LOL) that these people didn't act on their own


What makes you think they acted [as gunmen] at all?
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