Active Shooter San Bernardino

[Elvis]

What about the wife says first mass murdering woman for ISIS in the history of the Western world to you, Elvis?

What about a workplace shooting says ISIS to you, Elvis?

It's hilarious to me. We'll believe absolute anything they tell us about Muslims without so much as asking for a single shred of credible evidence.

I see what you mean, but your questions come in a narrow box with no room for nuance. E.g. I didn't say I that assumed it was an "ISIS" action. And I hardly "believe absolute anything they tell us about Muslims"; if you're implying that, give me a little more credit than a FOX hound deserves.

Those are minor quibbles, I still credit your good effort to collect the facts of the matter.

One problem is that the info has been very sketchy, so it's helpful to hear actual credible witness accounts:

The reporter then asked again, to be sure, “You are certain you saw three men?”

“Yes,” Abdelmageed reaffirmed.

. . .

Can anyone explain why eyewitness sources are being dismissed in favor of one of the most bizarre narratives in the history of law enforcement and counter-terrorism?

That begins to bring things into focus. It would be good to round up all the witness accounts, such as they may be available.

[MacCruiskeen]

It would be good to round up all the witness accounts, such as they may be available.

YES. And I am now very impatient to hear from any of the 50-60 people who witnessed and survived the shooting in that room.

Today, one week on, I have yet to hear of even one (in figures:1) eyewitness who has described any one of those masked attackers as being noticeably smaller, slighter, or more woman-shaped than either of the other two.

One eyewitness to the attacks, Sally Abdelmageed, was an employee at Inland Medical Center where the attack occurred.

How could she have interpreted two shooters, a man and a petite woman who weighed less than 100 lbs, as three Caucasian, athletic-built military men?

Sally Abdelmageed's repeated eyewitness testimony counts as serious, credible evidence -- not least because Ms.Abdelmageed is not afraid to give her full name and place of employment, unlike the anonymous "eyewitness" * who claimed that Syed Farood had "looked nervous" and "left early & in a hurry".

* I wanted to delete the word "prick" in my post at the top of the last page, but I must already have passed the 24-hour editing-limit. That anonymous pri person was, I believe, the same anonymous person who informed the world that the (masked!!!) "shooter" was "about the same size and build as Syed Farood". (Isn't nearly everyone??) - It is difficult to keep one's temper while these blatant lies and mass murders are being used to ramp up bloody war on Syria and justify ever-franker fascism in the USA.

[MacCruiskeen]

Judging from the photo Barracuda linked, I don't think the "miniskirt" is a skirt, but rather some kind of athletic shorts, or similar thing.

Yes. No "miniskirt" for sure.

TRIGGER WARNING< DEAD BODY

https://i0.wp.com/media.breitbart.com/m ... .10-AM.png

It looks to me very much as though the cops have pulled her burka/niqab right up, almost to her shoulders, thus exposing the near-naked bloodied corpse of a shy, devout young Muslim woman to millions of avid, mainly-male viewers glued to their TV sets in the Homeland.

That should increase the popularity of the USA even further, throughout the Muslim world and beyond. That should work wonders as a means of "combating extremism".

[MacCruiskeen]

^^The really significant mysteries about that photo still from a video:

1. Exactly who made that video? (From a helicopter, right? Police or TV?)

2. Exactly who selected that frame and released it to the world via the mass media? (Breitbart?)

3. Exactly who among "the authorities" approved its release?

4. Why?

Finally, and above all:

5. WHERE ARE ALL THE FILMS OF THE ACTUAL ALLEGED SHOOTOUT BETWEEN THE COUPLE & THE COPS? (i.e., that helicopter film, plus the SWAT-team headcams, copcar dashboard cams, traffic-surveillance cams, any films shot by passing motorists, etc., etc.)

Anyone might think the authorities are trying to hide something from us.

ON EDIT: question slightly reformulated for clarity

[Grizzly]

Plain Clothed Military Conducting Unannounced Exercise Prompts Lock Down At Elementary Schools

Deputies released a surveillance video and issued a bulletin of the three men who showed up at White Oak Elementary in Cape Carteret and Bogue Sound Elementary, several miles east on Highway 24 in Ocean, asking questions about whether the schools were designated as crisis evacuation centers.
The three showed school officials what appeared to be military IDs, but were asked to leave the schools, and while deputies, who were alerted by school officials, were initially told there was no military personnel conducting any exercises in the area, they learned several hours later the three were members of the Army 83rd Civil Affairs Group from Fort Bragg and were conducting information gathering. But they weren’t authorized to visit schools, according to a letter to county officials from their commanding officer, Lt. Col. Samuel Simpson II, who assured the county it would not happen again.
The incident has prompted a critique of security procedures at county schools, and alarmed parents, many of whom kept their children home from school on Thursday.

http://www.carolinacoastonline.com/news ... mment-area

http://wnct.com/2015/12/02/suspicious-m ... um=twitter

Sheriff's Office seeks trio that entered elementary schools
https://www.facebook.com/CarteretNewsTi ... nref=story

I can't access the FB link, cause I don't have a fuckfacebook account...

But, WTF? No, really? WTF!!???

P.S., WHEN DID FB become an news presenter/aggregator , but only if your in the club.

[backtoiam]

That is why I said this. The weird signal is getting weirder and its getting weirder faster.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24732&start=105#p581941

[Elvis]

It sounds like the three men were not from the local base. Here's another report from Dec. 3.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdOXXo4crQs

[MacCruiskeen]

Grizzly, here's a link to the Facespook page. (You don't have to be registered to access it):

https://www.facebook.com/CarteretNewsTi ... nref=story

[stickdog99]

Some great links on this from "Willy Loman"

Inconvenient Details Glossed Over By Press

When Propaganda Becomes a Media Freak Show

I have too say, over the course of the 8+ years of doing this shit, this event is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have seen them stage… ever.

If they would have won an Oscar for the Boston Bombing, they would certainly deserve a Razzie for this one.

It’s absurd. Witnesses are ignored. No one wonders how they were able to escape the scene without even being chased. The new mother deciding to go postal on the family friends from his job. The assault rifles belonging to “someone else” and no one gives a shit who that might be. The third shooter vanishes. A third suspect is arrested and released after “fleeing the scene”. A active shooter drill taking place at the same time nearby. Tiny brown women being mistaken for tall athletic white men. A Facebook post, erased, could be someone else is now certainly hers. Reporters ransacking a crime scene as if they were sent there to befoul it on purpose.

It’s a freak show. I don’t know how else to describe it.

San Bernardino Update

Take note: in the third video, the CNN interview with lawyer David Chelsey, the “reporter” conducting the interview, Chris Cuomo, becomes visibly upset when David explains some very real issues with the official story. The “reporter” then says that one of the officers reported exchanging gunfire with the suspects as they drove to the location where the truck was shot-up and that “proves” the official story is correct. He practically yelled that at him (as you will see in the video)

“Cus you know, the officer(s?) say they took fire from this SUV, the people in the SUV were him and her, that’s kind of the end of the analysis of possibilities” Chris Cuomo (Mario's son)

Think about what Chris is saying: because one cop(s?) SAID they fired at him, we MUST believe the story in spite of the glaring contradictions developing around it. ...

[MacCruiskeen]

Observer, on December 7, 2015 at 2:15 am said:
OK, here it is – the photo ABC7 News originally posted in the article I linked above of Enrique Marquez, the former neighbor who allegedly gave assault rifles to the suspects and then checked himself into a mental hospital where the FBI is unable to interview him (??!!). Look at it quick before it gets disappeared forever – there were only two examples of of this photo remaining when I searched for it just now. Tomorrow it will probably be gone forever.



https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/1 ... urd-story/

[stickdog99]

^^The really significant mysteries about that photo still from a video:

1. Exactly who made that video? (From a helicopter, right? Police or TV?)

2. Exactly who selected that frame and released it to the world via the mass media? (Breitbart?)

3. Exactly who among "the authorities" approved its release?

4. Why?

Finally, and above all:

5. WHERE ARE ALL THE FILMS OF THE ACTUAL SHOOTING (THAT FILM AND ALL THE OTHERS)? (inc. SWAT-team headcams, copcar dashboard cams, etc.)

Anyone might think they're trying to hide something from us.

San Bernardino “Terrorist” Gun Battle With Cops (full video)



One of the readers who showed up here claims to be from San Bernardino and says she watched the gun battle during the car chase on live TV from the helicopter footage. Here is the video footage of the live feed from the helicopter. You’ll notice by time they eventually get around to showing the scene, it’s already done with. The patsy suspect is lying on the ground and the SUV is shot up from all directions. As the film maker points out, there doesn’t appear to be any police presence in front of the car which make you wonder how those bullet holes got in the front windshield. Also of note: as the SUV is being “chased” in the slow motion car chase, notice the SUV has a particular style of flashing lights. Why would he have his flashers on?

The shooters were able to leave the scene and drive miles away to some house in Redlands and it was only after an anonymous tip that the cops went to the house and then decided to follow the SUV for no real apparent reason. They then went back to an area close to where the SWAT drill had been taking place only to stop on the street, again for no apparent reason, and engage a million cops in a gun battle.

from the comments

The headlight flasher is an available option on police vehicles only, therefore the black Expedition in the video is most likely to be an officially purchased and owned vehicle, as it is too new to have been sold as surplus to department requirements.

I do not see sufficient evidence to maintain that the vehicle was shot from the front. There are two stars on the hood but they most likely are through-and-throughs from the backlight. If it had been shot from the front, there would likely be headlight glass and a pool of coolant on the pavement.

I have seen close up images of the ‘terrorist’s body’ and FAKE AS SHIT is the phrase that comes to mind. If anybody needs a Rusty Slusser ‘thug’ mask, I have one for sale, and I’ll donate the proceeds to America’s best reporter.

[stickdog99]

I would also like to see a follow up to the initial report Carly Fiorina references here. The automatic weapons recovered do look like standard SWAT/FBI/ATF issued right down to the straps.

And maybe the Farook's childhood friend, you know the punk rock guy who supposedly got him the assault weapons and then checked into the mental hospital, is the new Muslim menace?

In a Facebook posting from Marquez’s profile just hours after the attack, he said, “I’m. Very sorry sguys. It was a pleasure.”[sic]

Now that seems a bit weird.

The interrogation of Marquez was delayed by 72 hours after he checked himself into a mental health facility on Friday, two days after Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, killed 14 people at a county officials’ holiday party at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, Calif.

And that seems completely bizarre. Why wouldn't getting to the bottom of how Farook obtained the weapons be a higher priority?

Michael G. Stone, a friend of Marquez from the local punk rock scene, told ABC News Marquez is funny and “really easy going.” Stone too was shocked by the recent news – but he remembered Marquez had said something at a party months ago that took on a new light after the attack last week.

“He said something along the lines of, ‘There’s a lot of Muslims in our own backyard, just ready to go haywire and attack,’” Stone said. “And we didn’t think nothing of it. We just brushed it aside, you know. He was drunk, so I don’t know.”

So either he knew something or else he had been watching the Republican Presidential debates.

An individual associated with a local mosque, who asked not to be named, told ABC News Monday that Marquez started coming there three or four years ago, after he had converted to Islam. The person said Marquez was shy and polite, but did not seem that bright. Two members of Farook’s family, but not Syed Farook, attended the same mosque, the person said.

Now that an anonymous source has said that he's Muslim, Americans will finally accept that he just may be a person of interest in this case. Right?

[stickdog99]

LOL. Now we are told that this couple joined up to become jihadis! Well, that settles that!

Of course, this raises the question of what the NSA's spying on us all is actually doing to protect us, now doesn't it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... m-in-2013/

The FBI is investigating whether Syed Rizwan Farook and a neighbor intended to commit an act of terror in about 2012 and then got spooked, a senior law enforcement official said Wednesday. The two men may have been disrupted when the FBI arrested several men in late 2012 in a separate plot to kill Americans in Afghanistan.

In addition, Farook and his wife, who killed 14 people in San Bernardino last week, had discussed jihad at least two years before they opened fire in California, the FBI director said Wednesday.

The husband-and-wife duo “were radicalized for quite a long time before their attack,” FBI Director James B. Comey said during an appearance on Capitol Hill. This follows earlier statements by investigators that the shooters had both been adherents to a radical strain of Islam long before the massacre.

Farook, a 28-year-old county health inspector, and his Pakistani wife, Tashfeen Malik, 29, had begun communicating online, Comey said. It was during these communications that they began discussing jihadist thoughts, long before Malik traveled to the United States and they got married.

“And online…as early as the end as 2013, they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom before they became engaged and then married and lived together in the United States,” Comey said during his testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Yeah, I believe that they "talked about" this. But what did they say?

This radicalization appears to predate the rise of the Islamic State, the terrorist group that in 2014 formally declared a caliphate in parts of Iraq and Syria. ...

Authorities have said that just after the attack, Malik posted on Facebook pledging allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State. In her posting, which used the name Khalifah Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Al Qurashi, the emir of the self-proclaimed Islamic State, she said “We pledge allegiance,” so investigators now believe it was made on behalf of both of the attackers, law enforcement officials said.

“It’s looking like they were on the same path at the same time,” a law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, said Tuesday.

[stoneonstone]

Man, more and more this is looking like a very bizarre mash-up - Lee Harvey Oswald meets The Four Lions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Lions

Hilarity and broad humour abounds within a low budget production...

[backtoiam]

I have been watching this stuff for years but the vibe on this stuff is getting really really weird.