Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

[KUAN]

Don't understand these words - 32 years... so WW2 - don't get out much

[justdrew]

Don't understand these words - 32 years... so WW2 - don't get out much

the event frequency, based on 1969 (moon landing) to 2001 (911), so 32 years before 1969, we find the startup of WW2

[Ben D]

Historic preservation of sites where Apollo 11 through 17 astronauts touched down and walked on the lunar surface...

http://www.moondaily.com/reports/Environmental_Controls_Move_Beyond_Earth_999.html

Environmental Controls Move Beyond Earth

Bethesda MD (SPX) Jul 29, 2013

It looks like the Government is not satisfied with controlling the environment on Earth. The EPA has already made it all but illegal to produce CO2. Did anyone tell them that humans produce this greenhouse gas simply by breathing?

Not to worry, we can all keep on breathing, but soon we may see this taxed. Automobile emissions are heavily controlled. Gasoline prices are sky high, partly because the Keystone Pipeline has been delayed indefinitely, supposedly because of environmental concerns.

Now, some members of Congress want to start controlling the environment on the moon. Just recently there has been discussion of putting national parks on the moon. The first law that would do this is called the "Apollo Lunar Landing Legacy Act," put forth with a bill introduced earlier this month in the House of Representatives.

Such a law would establish historic preservation sites where Apollo 11 through 17 astronauts touched down and walked on the lunar surface. Of course, the parks would contain all artifacts and footprints left on the lunar surface. Once enacted into law the U.S. would submit these sites to UNESCO in order to become World Heritage Sites.

If there is concern about preserving the environment outside the confines of Earth, why hasn't the EPA identified a new Super Fund Site, the near-Earth space that is filling up with junk produced by the international space program over the past 50 years?

Almost everyone is aware that low-Earth orbits are being littered with old satellites, discarded upper stages and all matter of man-made pieces and parts.

Even as you are reading this article, the commercial sector is trying to speed up plans for private tourist flights to space, private space stations and more. If we cannot clean up near-Earth space, how are we going to protect the moon and other areas of the solar system?

One day, companies may be strip-mining asteroids and other planets for valuable minerals. How can we be sure they will maintain local environments? Past history on Earth tells us this is going to be hard. If Congress really wants to do something useful in the environmental field, it should start with an already existing problem, cleaning up the junk in low-Earth orbits.

[Nordic]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -new-film/

I'm guessing this is a hoax but ... It's RI.

Stanley Kubrick Admits He Helped NASA Fake Moon Landings In New Film?
December 10, 2015 by Joe Martino


A new film by filmmaker T. Patrick Murray has recently surfaced in which famed director Stanley Kubrick allegedly gives an interview admitting that the moon landings were faked. The interview took place 3 days prior to Kubrick’s death on March 7th 1999, and Murray was told he could not release the footage until 15 years after Kubricks’ death. He was allegedly forced to sign an 88-page NDA to keep the contents of the interview a secret for those years, and Murray states that, in accordance with this ruling, in 48 hours he will release the full edit. This should be Dec 11th 2015. [3]

Why all the ‘alleged’ talk? Because it has been tough to verify some of these details, given the type of film this is and how it was released. It appears as though the filmmaker was fearful about the release and thus made it difficult to trace and track further details. I intend to continue to track down the filmmaker and release updates as I get them.

“A, a, a, a massive fraud. An unparalleled fraud perpetrated against them. They SHOULD know.” – Stanley Kubrick

“There are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available, to those who can remove one of truth’s protective layers.” – –Neil Armstrong, allegedly the first man on the moon

Background Story
I should mention that I have been looking into the moon landings for years. I’ve scoured hundreds of videos and many interviews and after it all my belief is that humans have certainly gone to the moon, but I do not believe that the initial missions we saw on TV were legitimate. I do believe astronauts in some of the later Apollo missions went to the moon, but I am not convinced at all on Apollo 11. I believe it was part of a program to get funding for weapon building and more while entering into a “for fun” race with Russia to see who could get to the moon first.

I’m not going to go into all details about this as it can go on forever, instead I will say if one were to truly look into all evidence gathered over the period of time since the initial moon landing in 1969, one would be forced to reach a truly striking conclusion: it is quite unclear if it actually happened. The topic has been debated for many years and evidence has been presented on both sides. Looking at both sides of the argument objectively, you could easily walk out with a conclusion on either side – and that’s kind of exciting to me. It means the trek to a mysterious place in our solar system is just as mysterious as the place itself.

Unlike the events of 9/11, where the evidence and information available certainly discredits the official story, the moon landings have a different feel and to be honest, if this Kubrick interview is in fact legitimate, it is the only piece I have been able to find that would fully confirm my belief in what happened in 1969 with the moon landings.[4]

“Well, yes, but because basically I was bribed. To put it bluntly, that’s what it was. It was just a plain fucking bribe.” – Stanley Kubrick

The Space Race
The Space Race took place between 1957 and 1975, and it involved a race for supremacy in space exploration between the Soviet Union and the United States. Around the time of the alleged moon landing, the Soviet Union was leading this race, having logged over 500 more hours in space than the US.[2]

In June 1969, they were the first to launch an unmanned spaceship to the moon in order to gather the first ever soil sample from a world other than Earth. As fate would have it, their lunar probe crashed on the moon’s surface and so it was unable to bring back the sample.

The Soviets were also first to launch the first satellite, first animal, and first man into space. They followed these feats with the first space walk, first crew of three in space, and the first ever mission with simultaneous spacecrafts in space at one time. The Soviets had a stranglehold on the space race and the US was not pleased — at least on the surface. I say this because I believe that, behind the scenes, the US and Russia were working together, much like they always have. To the public and even government, however, their relationship appears quite different.

Given there was a great deal of political promise during the time, fear began to develop in the minds of US political personnel as it became a reality that the US would likely never catch the Soviets. Considering the incredible amount of tax-payer money that was going into the Apollo program, however, success of the program was of utmost importance. This desperation is one of the reasons skeptics first began exploring the truth of the moon landing, as human ego and the thirst for pride, along with possibly even more reasons, could explain why certain events took place during the Apollo missions that don’t have the most clear explanations.

Months after the Soviets had launched their initial probe to the moon to obtain the soil sample, it was reported that Apollo 11 had landed on the moon and Neil Armstrong took the first steps any human had ever taken on the moon. This immediately shot the US to the top of the space race, and the world was stunned. But not everyone believed this to be true. The debate over the moon landing’s legitimacy has been going on since before the shuttle even launched. Many were already suspecting that either country would try to outdo the other by any means necessary.[2]

History of Apollo Program
The Apollo program was created in an attempt to not only send humans into space, but to also explore worlds outside of our own. Mainly, the intention was to one day visit the surface of the moon and learn more about the mysterious rock that fills our night sky. The following are the various missions of the Apollo program. [1]

Apollo 1 – Target launch date Feb 21st, 1967. Cabin fire during testing on Jan 27th 1967 killed the crew and the mission was shut down.

Apollo 4 – Launched November 9th, 1967. An unmanned mission to test flight into space.

Apollo 5 – January 22nd, 1968. A test flight of the lunar module into earth’s orbit.

Apollo 6 – April 4th, 1968. An unmanned test flight into earth’s orbit.

Apollo 7 – October 11th, 1968. A three man crew launched into earth’s orbit for 11 days.

Apollo 8 – December 21, 1968. A manned mission to space. Orbited the moon 10 times.

Apollo 9 – March 3rd, 1969. Manned mission in low earth orbit to test lunar landing module.

Apollo 10 – May 18, 1969. Manned mission towards moon. Lunar landing module was tested once again.

Apollo 11 – July 20th, 1969. The famous shuttle that allegedly landed on the moon.

Apollo 12 – November 14th, 1969. 2nd spacecraft to allegedly land on the moon.

Apollo 13 – April 11th, 1970. Manned mission to the moon, technical issues caused the mission to end early.

Apollo 14 – January 31, 1971. 3rd spacecraft to land on the moon.

Apollo 15 – July 26th, 1971. The 4th spacecraft to land on the moon.

Apollo 16 – April 16th, 1972. The 5th spacecraft to land on the moon.

Apollo 17 – December 7th, 1972. The 6th spacecraft to land on the moon.

In total the program claims to have visited the surface of the moon 6 times before oddly shutting the project down for good.

Kubrick & Moon Landings
This is not the first time Kubrick has been linked to the moon landings. There have been a number of theories going around that link Kubrick to the landings, with some even claiming that he tried to reveal the truth in his movie The Shining by placing clues in the film. Perhaps the most plausible clue is the scene in which Danny wears this Apollo 11 sweater, but generally speaking, the evidence supporting this theory is quite limited.

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However, if Kubrick was in fact most proud of his work on the moon landing, as he allegedly states in the interview below, it would not surprise me that he would put clues like this into his film.

Also, in the original release of 2001: A Space Oddesy, there were a number of credits thanking NASA and many of the aerospace companies that worked with NASA on the moon landings. These credits have since been removed from all subsequent releases of 2001.

One last interesting factor with Kubrick was that his movie Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16th, 1999. Stanley Kubrick insisted in his contract that this be the date of the release. That may not seem interesting unless you know that July 16th, 1999 marks exactly 30 years to the day since Apollo 11 was launched.

Transcript of The Interview (Video Below)
This is a transcript of the interview with Stanley Kubrick and T. Patrick Murray for the movie Shooting Stanley Kubrick.

K: I’m so preoccupied. With my work, innovation, risk-taking, regrets…
T: Why are you giving this interview?
K: Because, it started to get to me after awhile. Well, this is difficult, because it is the first time I’ve talked about it. (sighs)
T: Sure, take all the time you need.
K: I’ve always been conflicted by it, but not consciously until years later. I was just blown away by the chance, the opportunity, the challenge of making this, this production, and I went into this like it was a regular film, like another regular film of mine, not thinking too much about uh the long term effects of what it would mean to society if it was ever discovered.
T: What are you talking about? I’m dying to know what you’re talking about.
K: Well, a confession of sorts. A movie I made, that nobody is aware of – even though they’ve seen it.
T: A movie you made, no one knows you made? Is that what you said?
K: That’s right. Is that intriguing? Do I have you intrigued?
K: I perpetrated a huge fraud on the American public, which I am now about to detail, involving the United States government and NASA, that the moon landings were faked, that the moon landings ALL were faked , and that I was the person who filmed it.
T: Ok. (laughs) What are you talking…You’re serious. Ok.
K: I’m serious. Dead serious.
K: Yes, it was fake.
T: Ok. Wait. Wait…
T: I don’t want this to be an R-rated film, but seriously, what the blank, but seriously…
T: I, I, I worked almost eight months to secure this once in a lifetime interview that almost no else could ever get, and instead of talking about his sixteen films that I’ve endured since I was a child…That we didn’t land on the moon, you’re saying?
K: No, we didn’t.
K: It was not real.
T: The moon landings were fake?
K: A, a, a.. fictional moon landing. A fantasy. It was not real.
K: Don’t you think it’s important for people to know the truth?
T: The moon landing in ’69, which was two years before my birth…
K: Is total fiction.
T: Total fiction.
T: Is that?…So, that’s the 15 year thing. So that’s makes sense now. That’s why I can’t release it for 15 years now, that makes total sense now.
T: Did we…we didn’t land on the moon you’re saying?
K: No, we didn’t.
T: Why are you telling me?
K: A, a, a, a massive fraud. An unparalleled fraud perpetrated against them. They SHOULD know.
K: Nixon want to uh, they were planning, yeah, he want to fake this, this moon landing…
T: Are you contending that people DON’T want to know the truth about the world, reality, the moon landings…?
K: The government, knowing this, takes advantage of it by perpetrating fraud after fraud after fraud.
T: How did you end up giving in? Being complicit with this fraud?
K: I didn’t want to do it.
T: This is NOT where I thought this interview was going!
K: With my help, with my, with my aid, and it is, it is bothering me.
T: I only have this certain amount of time with you. And I’ll talk about whatever you want, but…
T: You’re not…This isn’t some type of joke, or…
K: No. No, it’s not.
T: Or a film within a film thing…
K: Not joking. NOPE.
T: Okay.
K: The conspiracy theorists were right, on this occasion.
T: I don’t know what to ask you first.
K: I thought it was wrong, I just…I didn’t believe in perpetrating a fraud like that.
T: But you did.
K: It also undermined my artistic integrity to do that.
T: Ok, but you ended up saying yes. Why?
K: Well, yes, but because basically I was bribed. To put it bluntly, that’s what it was. It was just a plain fucking bribe.
T: Why are you telling me?
K:A, a, a, massive fraud. An unparalleled fraud perpetrated against them. They SHOULD know! Don’t you think it’s important for people to know the truth?
T: Why did they have to fake it? Why? Why would they ever need to do something like that? Why would the government ever want or need to do…
K: It’s no secret that NASA always wanted to fulfill this Kennedy prophecy.
T: Take it from the beginning…
T: I gotta be honest, this is where he (Kubrick) got me. I mean, when I actually put myself in his position, when I actually imagine that he was telling the truth, and that he was presented with this opportunity and if in the one in a billion chance that I lived his life and I was presented with the same opportunity, what would I do?
T: Yeah, he wanted his approval points up and he thought nothing could do it better than this.
T: What a conflict. I mean, gosh, I can’t imagine being presented with that opportunity. On one hand, I’d really would want to do it, but then I’d probably say I’m committing a crime, and lying…
T: It depends, but my guess would be…no, if you’re good, but you would do it.
K: Spielberg, (inaudible) Scorsese, even Woody Allen. There isn’t one of them who wouldn’t do this.
T: I gotta admit: I’d do it. I’d do it too.
T: But they dangled all this power and all this flattery on you, essentially?
K: Yeah, it got to me after awhile. You can listen to so much of that stuff before you start to believe it.
T: They just said you were the greatest and stuff?
K: Yeah, yeah – and I agreed with them.
K: Why are you telling the world? Why does the world need to know that the moon landings aren’t real and you faked them?
K: Which I consider to be my masterpiece.
T: And you can’t take credit, or even talk about…
K: Well, I am now..
T: Right, so you’ll be dead. In ten years, or 15…
K: Right, ten or 15 something like that.
T: So, you can’t talk to Roger Ebert about it. Does that frustrate you?
T: Why did they have to fake it? Why would they have to do that?
K: Because it is impossible to get there.
T: Ok, back up, back up, back up….

Is it Kubrick in the film below? Here is a photo of him in the 1990’s that I was able to dig up.

[SonicG]

Viral marketing?

[Elvis]

Stanley Kubrick Admits He Helped NASA Fake Moon Landings In New Film?
December 10, 2015 by Joe Martino

Viral marketing?

Goddammit, I so want this to be true!! Only the film will tell, if it exists.

But damn, if it's real, it explains his subsequent output AND, likely, his death coming just three days later.

[guruilla]

Sad to say it doesn't even rise to the level of an enjoyable prank:


20 min version:

[Agent Orange Cooper]

That people are taking this seriously is crazy. That's.... not Stanley Kubrick, obviously.

Makes a pretty good litmus test for 'alternative media,' however. It's no better than the mainstream media when it comes to parroting phony news to garner more clicks.

[guruilla]

That people are taking this seriously is crazy. That's.... not Stanley Kubrick, obviously.

Makes a pretty good litmus test for 'alternative media,' however.

Yeah. Miles Matthis, thy day has come.

We don't know for sure that people are taking it seriously, do we?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Even Mathis wouldn't fall for this shit. It seems like a bored college student's final project for his editing class.

There do seem to be a lot of people who don't normally talk about this subject sharing it on Facebook as if it's something more than what it is. For instance I saw it mentioned in a group that has nothing to do with conspiracy (a group about 80s Grindhouse film), someone shared it and said "what does everyone think about this?" Has no one ever seen a picture of the guy?

It's getting a ton of play from various alternative channels that don't seem to carry the caveat "this is fiction." I'm reminded of the movie that people often cite as evidence, that was actually satire. Such is the state of things, I guess.

[tapitsbo]

I suggest we all start making similarly confusionist home movies and sharing them at a rapid pace while the Internet still exists in its current state.

[Elvis]

Let's find whoever made that...and hurt him.

[OpLan]

Here's a 2 part video on the errors Kubrick made in '2001 Space Oddyssey'.Errors which are not present in Apollo footage.
Kubrick was supposedly a stickler for detail,but his movies contain shitloads of continuity errors.Apollo footage doesn't.





This video shows a strap swinging at such a speed that cannot be reproduced in earth gravity.It MUST be on the moon.



Here is the uploaders explanation..

The Apollo 14 Scientific Equipment (SEQ) Bay Pendulum provides irrefutable proof for being filmed at 1/6 g on the lunar surface. During the ALSEP Offload from the SEQ bay Ed Mitchell is lowering the ALSEP package with a pulley. He releases a tape (at ca. 40 s) that starts to swing like a pendulum. The SEQ bay pendulum makes 18 periods in 86 seconds before being disturbed, which implies a period of 4.8 s. Because the period (P) depends on the length of the pendulum (L) and the gravity (g), as given by the equation P = 2 pi * SQRT (L / g), the gravity can be calculated from the period if the length of the pendulum is known.

Inspection of photographs of the SEQ bay and measurements with authentic hardware (see: http://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/... ) provided the tape length and indicated that the SEQ bay pendulum is not moving freely but is a Two-Mode Pendulum with the length changing from L = 1.6 m to 0.9 m each time the tape swings under the Lunar module.

In earth gravity (g = 9.8 m/s2) periods between P = 1.9 s (L = 0.9 m) and P = 2.5 s (L = 1.6 m) would be observed, while in lunar gravity (g = 1.6 m/s2) periods between P = 4.7 s (L = 0.9 m) and P = 6.2 s (L = 1.6 m) are expected.

Conclusion: A pendulum movement recorded at normal speed in lunar gravity has to be sped up by 2.5 times (+ 150 %) to match with earth gravity (this is plain physics and any CT rejecting this fact unintentionally admits his poor education, inability to understand simple physics or complete ignorance). If sped up to "match with earth gravity" (as CT's ridiculously claim to be possible), communication and movements of the astronauts, as well as movement of equipment and lunar dust make no sense at all (only 2 x speed shown in video, whereas 2.5 x would be required!).

Final Conclusion: Because observed periods for the SEQ bay pendulum (P obs. = 4.8 s) match with those expected for lunar gravity (P calc. = 4.7 s) the whole scene was irrefutable shot at 1/6 g on the moon.

active links to apollo sources in video description.

[SonicG]

Wait, I'm confused...Jerry Garcia faked the moon landings!?

[Elvis]

Wait, I'm confused...Jerry Garcia faked the moon landings!?