Active Shooter San Bernardino

[seemslikeadream]

IanEye said:

I find it interesting that after a months long campaign of stochastic terrorism aimed at Planned Parenthood finally paid off, this “scary muslim” event happened the very next news cycle, quite conveniently pushing the PP shooting off the headlines.

I find it even more interesting that none of the articles posted here, none of them, can make that connection.

Well worth noting.

Well apparently the New York Times agrees, but these things occur so frequently that I think that may be a bit of a stretch. If anything Planned Parenthood is a highly protected institution. Not many people know about its legacy of eugenics and racism.

Yes but IN THE HERE AND NOW it saves lives and needs protection from crazy religious freaks

[NaturalMystik]

One thing I have a bit of a hard time getting around, on the false flag angle. I find it a bit hard to believe that in all the false flag events with all the crisis actors and participants, no one has ever spilled the beans... Most people can't keep secrets. I mean lets say after the fact, you realized you just played a role in a massive faked tragic event like Sandy Hook, how could you not tell people it was fake? I'd think at least some of these folks would be singing from the tops of buildings wanting everyone to know how much of a sham it all is... Makes no sense... I mean I know they would probably have NDAs and whatnot. But how could you sit on something like that? I can't believe the clown show running things has these people so under control that no one says a peep?

[MacCruiskeen]

One thing I have a bit of a hard time getting around, on the false flag angle. I find it a bit hard to believe that in all the false flag events with all the crisis actors and participants, no one has ever spilled the beans... Most people can't keep secrets. I mean lets say after the fact, you realized you just played a role in a massive faked tragic event like Sandy Hook, how could you not tell people it was fake? I'd think at least some of these folks would be singing from the tops of buildings wanting everyone to know how much of a sham it all is... Makes no sense... I mean I know they would probably have NDAs and whatnot. But how could you sit on something like that? I can't believe the clown show running things has these people so under control that no one says a peep?

This is yet another perfect example of muddying the waters. Absolutely nothing you say follows logically or even rationally from your first line. No one in this thread is discussing "crisis actors" or Sandy Hook or " a massive faked tragic event " or anything of the kind, so I don't know why you introduce this nonsense here unless it's to create confusion & irritation and put posters off commenting rationally here.

The issue is very clear and extremely simple: the quality of the evidence that allegedly convicts that couple posthumously of that crime.

- Back on-topic.

[NaturalMystik]

Thanks Mac, I guess we are reading different threads. In a 29 page thread, I think everyone will see what is most relevant to them. I'm not here to argue though so, I'll stay out of it.

[MacCruiskeen]

It would also be really good if posters could refrain from saying again what a "mindfuck" or "rabbit hole" (i.e., what an impenetrable mystery) this all (allegedly) is. I understand that people are distressed by this mass murder and its implications, especially if they're in the US, and I do sympathise with that distress, not least because I share it. (For the record, I also have some very good old friends in the States, in NYC & Chicago.)

But the issue -- see my last post, above -- is really crystal-clear, not at all hard to understand. Let's stick to it, please.

ON EDIT: NaturalMystik, no worries, and thanks for your very civilized response. Sorry, I may have adopted an unnecessarily harsh tone there. I'm not attacking you or any other poster personally here, or at least not for the hell of it. I hope that's clear to everyone else too.

Edit again: I also stated something factually wrong: "No one in this thread is discussing "crisis actors" or Sandy Hook or "a massive faked tragic event" or anything of the kind." Not true, and NaturalMystik didn't start it. (Sorry again, NM.) If we haven't yet succeeded in nipping that in the bud, let's cut it it off now before it blossoms into full stinkiness.

[backtoiam]

It strains credulity to believe that all these drills that were happening at the same time were not connected to these events. Not to mention how sloppily done these things are. I guess if a person can dismiss all these simultaneous "drills" they could also believe these were not staged events. There is a reason so many people think these things were staged...

Whats even more strange is that someone could know that they pretend to be ISIS, slammed two planes into some buildings, perhaps the biggest hoaxes of all time, but could somehow refuse to believe they would stage a shooting.

[Luther Blissett]

I think he's just trying to say that in this particular case we almost all agree that fourteen people died in San Bernadino. The secret would be pretty easy to keep if it were instead three large white male shooters - only they and their handlers would have to know, and they'd probably be in the business of keeping secrets. All the rest down the line only need to believe what they are told.

I just watched the HBO doc "50 Children" last night, about the rescue of 50 Jewish refugee children from Nazi Germany by a couple from Philadelphia. I'm starting to see what others have been saying for the past couple of pages - we are the ones blundering towards Reichstag here in the U.S. It would be almost as if Germany were promoting Jewish migrant immigration in 1935.

On the other hand, the war hasn't started yet so I still have hope that this can be fixed.

[82_28]

When it comes to drills my main office couldn’t be gotten a hold of earlier in the week because they were having some drill. I think that when it comes to drills people just go along as trained from a young age.

[backtoiam]

Maybe if a person could believe that they are not really shooting people this situation would be easier to believe. I don't think they are really shooting all these people either. Too risky to run around actually shooting people in this situation in my opinion.

[stickdog99]

One thing I have a bit of a hard time getting around, on the false flag angle. I find it a bit hard to believe that in all the false flag events with all the crisis actors and participants, no one has ever spilled the beans... Most people can't keep secrets. I mean lets say after the fact, you realized you just played a role in a massive faked tragic event like Sandy Hook, how could you not tell people it was fake? I'd think at least some of these folks would be singing from the tops of buildings wanting everyone to know how much of a sham it all is... Makes no sense... I mean I know they would probably have NDAs and whatnot. But how could you sit on something like that? I can't believe the clown show running things has these people so under control that no one says a peep?

I've never bought the crisis actor stuff, except perhaps for some of the mourners and survivors they put on TV. Some eaters dying is part of the black magic blood sacrifice for these fuckers.

You need all of three mercenaries and perhaps one higher up in law enforcement to do something like this. All you need to do is to call Farook away, shoot the place up, get away, and tip off the cops that Farook did it. Then hope the cops' itchy trigger fingers do the rest (or use the higher up to make sure they shoot to kill). The only difficulty would be getting the Farooks to wear tactical gear, but that could be accomplished by "friendly" trickery or more likely at gun point. Remember that the SUV supposedly left the Farooks' house right as the police arrived. Meet them as they arrive to her dentist appointment (he had to drive her). Force them to dress in tactical gear. Bring them back to the house in the SUV. Tell them the baby & grandma are going to get it unless they drive away with the rifles in the backseat when the police arrive and don't stop for the police. One team of two or three pros could easily pull that off. Even if the Farooks elect to save themselves with those threats over their family members' heads, who is going to believe them when they stop to tell their story to the cops?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Maybe if a person could believe that they are not really shooting people this situation would be easier to believe. I don't think they are really shooting all these people either. Too risky to run around actually shooting people in this situation in my opinion.

Really?

You're hypothetically talking about a clandestine organization operating under the cover of total DHS impunity being actively protected from scrutiny by key people on the inside of the LEO response, while they carry out an operation authorized at the highest levels of the military-industrial complex.

Where does "risk" enter into that equation? When you know the witnesses will be rounded up and put on busses in the middle of a fully militarized crime scene and citywide manhunt? Where is this "risk" located?

[MacCruiskeen]

Still no word from:

- the couple's dentist (or doctor or whatever)

- the grandmother

- the 50-60 surviving eyewitnesses from the conference room where the shooting took place.

And still no one anywhere who describes any one of the masked attackers as small, slight, or woman-shaped.

[backtoiam]

I'm not saying these blood suckers wouldn't kill people because they would. And they may have in some instances.

I just don't think they want 'that' much attention. They blocked off the roads in this deal and got them some space for their show. Set up their props and put on their show. Packed up and left. If they had set up their little show and whipped out the assault rifles and started blasting people they would have some seriously pissed off people that would not stop making a stink and chasing after them such as the local law enforcement and some other people.

If they were seriously planning to gun down 14 people in broad daylight you don't think they would announce that they were having drills over and over do you? "ok folks we are having a drill stand back we're gonna shoot 14 people". I don't think so.


If they were going to kill this many people when they do this I don't think they would be have simultaneous drills. If they don't kill all these people they can take that dog and pony show to the next venu without having to worry about anybody coming after them.

Also a blatant lack of aftermath. Not enough reporters chasing after survivors and witnesses. This shit falls off the news cycle too quick. Not enough sobbing coverage in the aftermath.

[tapitsbo]

I think relatives of those murdered should at least be extant:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2462336

The possibility that the victims were real but the alleged killers were framed seems most likely, to me at least.

[MacCruiskeen]

Btw, are we expected to believe that this shy devout Muslim woman took off her burka/niqab specially for the attack (changing into the full Emma Peel/Trinity from The Matrix/Rrriot Grrrl sexy-black-camo look), and then changed back into her burka/niqab for that posthumous photo-opportunity on the highway?

And still no one anywhere who describes any one of the masked attackers as small, slight, or woman-shaped.

No doubt we'll be told she was very wearing very high heels.



Or stilts.