ConspiraNormal Dating

[elfismiles]

While Art Bell hangs it up AGAIN...

Earlier this year George Noory launched a paranormal dating website...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOoYrUqb60A

... and is now branching out into the conspiracy dating market.

December 06, 2015

Many of you have visited our unique dating site, ParanormalDate.com. Now, we have something special for those interested in meeting others that share an interest in conspiracy theories. Introducing ConspiracyDate.com. If you have theories on 9/11, JFK, Marilyn Monroe, Moon landings, Roswell, whatever, meet your match at ConspiracyDate.com.

ParanormalDate.com and ConspiracyDate.com are free to join and free to search. Use promo code "George" for a great discount on full feature, upgraded memberships.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/conspiracy-date

I wonder if its a partnership with Alex as they've gotten closer and closer...

Toronto event in August 2015: Noory, Jones, Pope
Post by elfismiles » 16 Jun 2015
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Noory talks about the dating site with Alex at 3min 8sec mark:
https://youtu.be/xGtmmjVAAEI?t=3m8s

Of course the Lance deHaven-Smiths of the world will never be allowed to lend legitimacy to 'conspiracies' .. Instead crackpots and self-promoters like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones...

@HuffingtonPost: The dating site for InfoWars conspiracy theorists is as insane as you would imagine

https://twitter.com/HuffingtonPost/stat ... 0145821697

'Dating Freedom Lovers,' InfoWars's Relationship Site, Will Tickle Your Libertarian Fancy
The Huffington Post | By Hunter Stuart
Posted: 04/26/2013 5:54 pm EDT Updated: 04/26/2013 5:55 pm EDT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/2 ... lp00000003

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So, RI singles ... mingling in the LOUNGE










But no...



.... allowed

[elfismiles]

‘We Value Experience’: Can a Secret Society Become a Business?
Jeff Hull’s Latitude Society explores the possibilities of art, intimacy, experience, and membership.
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Rick Paulas | Longreads | September 2015 | 31 minutes (7,584 words)

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Much more here:
http://blog.longreads.com/2015/09/24/we ... -business/

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But The Latitude also—and this is where it sets itself apart from other experiential entertainment, especially Jejune—allows and encourages “compeers” to create their own experiences. In Latitude verbiage, these are known as “Autonomous Gatherings,” and they can range from terrarium building workshops, to tarot card readings, or just drinks in a dark, private section of the bar. “You might not have known someone who did this kind of woodworking or programming or writing before,” said Meler. “And that becomes a new organic relationship.”

On the surface, the existence of these “gatherings” seem like simply a way for creative folk to find like-minded people to hang with, which, while a not-always-easy proposition no matter the city you live in, it’s not a paradigm shift in social connectivity.

But there’s also the unique vetting process that’s taken place. These people at this function, or this workshop, or this bar, they’ve been on the message board forum, they’ve been to a “praxis” or two, they’ve made it through Book One, they’ve slid down the same “rabbit hole” as you. At the very least, someone else thought highly enough of them to include them in this club. “It makes it unifying,” says Hull. “It’s the one thing you know, that everyone else has been initiated. I’ve been very good at not compromising that.”

This “curated community” is not a bonus side effect of the design, but something baked into its DNA. After his dream, after Jejune’s final event, Hull invited a small group to, as he puts it, his “monastic woods setting” in Mendocino. “We’re, like, literally off in the forest in a yurt,” he says. He set the tone by sending vague invitations about a three-day summit in the deep forest to “consider the next phases of The Latitude’s development,” acting as if this group had existed for hundreds of years. “Like the Masons, the Knights Templar, Illuminati,” says Hull. “I’m interested in the idea that somebody’s a puppeteer of reality. A lot of times it’s the discussion of the New World Order, or The Federal Bank, or the Bilderberg Group. I have this philosophy that’s like, it’s us. We’re the ones building reality.”

Hull called the Mendocino group The Elders Council, and they began painting the broad strokes of what this new experience would be. “It wasn’t just pretending a community, or pretending that you were being transported. It was actually, we can transport people and build a real community around this,” he says. The initial twelve invited four each, and so on, for the next three years. That’s how The Latitude Society was built.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I know a few people involved in Latitude and it hugely entertains me to ask them about it because they all have, shall we say, radically different conceptions of what, exactly was going on there.

I am commenting because I absolutely see the "alternative worldview dating" angle. The smartest of the bunch has told me on several occasions "we were basically a dating agency with incalculable overhead." He hugely enjoyed his time there and is currently engineering a few other culture bombs, keen to focus more on learning than enabling mating patterns. I'm guessing he'll find his new endeavors turn into "basically a dating agency with calculable overhead."

Peak experiences bond humans.

Overall, I'm impressed that "conspiracy culture" has become a sufficiently broad demographic signifier to sustain the scale required for dating websites. Then again, conflating the 6,832 members of Dating Freedom Lovers with three million awesome, poignant and baffling profiles over at Plenty of Fish would be a mistake.

An interesting line of study: how reliable of a divorce indicator is it when one spouse spends more than one hour per day online reading about non-consensus worldviews? Didn't #Occupy destroy the holy matrimony between entertainment's most intelligent and talented couple, Russell Brand and Katy Perry? Does awareness of the New World Order preclude non-believers from having healthy relationships with you? What kind of thread are you tugging at here, man? RI might not want too go much further down this road.

Via: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/divo ... vorce.html

We married out of love, we were just 20 years old. Now, 7 years later, I am contemplating divorce. All my husband does all day long is talk about conspiracy theories (things like: 9/11 is an inside job, there's concentration camps being build in the US, the chemtrails are there to make us all dumb, fluoride is put in the water to control our brains so we can be more easily be manipulated, the world economy will crash, we must move in an area with lots of land so we can grow our own food, etc).

My husband dedicates all day and night to this stuff. I am feeling alone in everything. He doesn't help me at all with any household duties. I do everything, from shopping, cleaning, cooking, to paying the bills, etc. When I tell him that, he's saying he's actually doing a lot of work by keeping us informed through his research. My husband is failing his graduate school because he doesn't study since he's busy "researching" all the horrible things that he says will happen. He has no ambition and no goals and tells me he's not a "sheep" of the elites/New world order.

I'm just 27 but feel much older. He makes everything in life gloomy, there's nothing to look forward to. We can't have a normal conversation, we can't go and enjoy a nice day, we can't do anything without him talking of this stuff. I feel depressed, very depressed. I was a happy girl but now I can't recognize myself. I've told him for many, many times that I don't want to hear these things and that I need him to be a supportive, hard working husband, but he tells me that I'm just a "sheep" who needs to be taken out of the fairy-tale land in which I live. Sometimes he gets mad and yells and swears seeing how "ignorant" I am. It's gotten to the point where I don't want to be near him anymore because I already know what he'll be talking about. Home should be a place where one can relax and feel good but for me it's no longer like that.

Per r/K Selection Theory, does a belief in a dangerous, hostile world on the brink of a much larger catastrophe inevitably lead you to a reactionary politics? Reading about the controlling, asshole nature of the husband in the excerpt above, I can't help but think he's just another version of every uncle I've got stashing guns in the fucking woods and ordering civilian MRE products online. They all treat their families like lazy soldiers, too. It's not like they're mean-spirited people: they just know something horrible is coming and don't think the people they love are prepared.

From a comment in the same thread:

Gee are we married to the same man? It really sounds like you are describing my husband. It started about 2 years ago and has just gotten to be progressively worse. He thinks everything even the weather is being controlled by something. He really has taken the joy out of life for me. I am such and upbeat person, but this is insanity. I believe that our government isn't always the best, but I am not going to sit and just be frantic about all the worldly thing going on. If my husband put as much effort into our relationship as he does this conspiracy crap, we might have a great marriage.

I've been with him 12 years and I really just don't know what to say about this one. I understand where you are coming from.

Are social primates really designed for scale awareness beyond their families and communities? Another way of saying that: does building and keeping large-scale mental models of huge institutions and geopolitical interactions "break" us, to some extent, in terms of our evolutionary imperatives and even our basic biology? Do pessimist researchers live long, healthy lives? Do people who think the future is a slaughterhouse have kids, generally speaking?

I think I am in same boat, only with children. My husband is on the computer all the time, I thought he had a girlfriend but now know he is only on [deleted].

He believes all that conspiracy crap totally! I cant believe he can be so gullible. He is impossible to talk to about anything. He says I am picking on him if I disagree or ask where he got some information from.

Yesterday he starts spouting Nazi stuff! I dont know who he is anymore. He hates everybody. He picks fights with salesmen and waiters.

[tapitsbo]

I guess you're describing something like the seeds of cults who traumatize their kids to make them strong - and collapse the complexity of large-scale awareness into mystical beliefs about creating reality or whatever...

[82_28]

There is a greater power at force here. I think people have differing views on what "conspiracy" is and the reason for this is precisely the conspiracy motif. It really is all stupid. But partakers need to step back and think about what they're actually thinking about, which of course forces a conflict of ideals. And that is the point of it. I would just like to see somehow the documentation of this all went/goes down. Yet, maybe I don't. It is there. Our culture is steeped in things hidden. Which is why "they" rebooted X-Files.

Every motherfucking show, fuck even football games is bejewelled in rumors. Why? I don't know what I would do with it even if I did know.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Don't worry, this thread is just what made me remember that.

[brekin]

Are social primates really designed for scale awareness beyond their families and communities? Another way of saying that: does building and keeping large-scale mental models of huge institutions and geopolitical interactions "break" us, to some extent, in terms of our evolutionary imperatives and even our basic biology? Do pessimist researchers live long, healthy lives? Do people who think the future is a slaughterhouse have kids, generally speaking?

I think I am in same boat, only with children. My husband is on the computer all the time, I thought he had a girlfriend but now know he is only on [deleted].
He believes all that conspiracy crap totally! I cant believe he can be so gullible. He is impossible to talk to about anything. He says I am picking on him if I disagree or ask where he got some information from.Yesterday he starts spouting Nazi stuff! I dont know who he is anymore. He hates everybody. He picks fights with salesmen and waiters.

Desmond Morris said somewhere we are really only wired to deal with around 80 people effectively evolutionary wise. I don't think "evil world" belief systems are incompatible with being a functioning member of a small society though. Many tribes and clans have had "conspiracy belief cultures" where evil spirits or other tribes (who are supposedly not really people or fully human) are malevolent but this seems to bind the group together. And so many other daily interactions help to balance this world view.

I think what has happened now, though, is many conspirabots have moved their 80 member, or there abouts, clan/tribe onto the internet where they have abstracted them into pieces of text/gifs/images/videos and have lost that human interaction which makes them hostile to their immediate real life circle. The internet is really just a concentrator and distillation of certain beliefs and many people are now drinking alone 100 proof conspiracy whiskey with 80 other online avatars, really ghosts in the shell. We are really moments away from someone making a film where The Shining is triggered via Jack just hanging out on conspiracy forums all day, getting "radicalized".

[Nordic]

So many stories about men behaving the same way over Fox News. People complaining they've lost (usually) their dads to the same exact obsession. Only with them of course it's "liberals" and "socialists" and "Islamists" who are the enemy.

[elfismiles]

Thanks Wombat - insightful as always. Your insider friends multiple views on whats actually going on there is reflected in the purposeful attempts by Hull to keep the thing mysterious but also seemingly by those interviewed for that article (allegedly ).

When I thought to post about Noory's marketing sites I was still reading the Latitude article and when I got to those bits mentioning the dating angle it just made sense to put the together. I grew up playing RPGs and liking RennFaires and the idea of LARPing. And I think Hull's ideas about play and experience sharing are good. But I tend to want to find ways to direct those playful energies towards not just positive change within the individual but outwards to effect wider change. I was drawn to former parapsychology researcher Rhea White's EHEN (Exceptional Human Experiencer Network) because of her turning away from the scientific research and analysis of the possible mechanisms at work in anomalous experiences and her turning towards the recognition that these are/can-be transformative experiences for the individual who has them - and that that is as or more important to understand than the mechanisms at work. And the work of Kenneth Ring chronicled in his book Omega Project seemed to to do a little of both and point towards the likely global transformative power of enough people having / paying attention to these experiences to reach that old new age adage of a tipping point to transform the world.

And yeah, I think a lot of the tropes of paranormal and conspiracy communities, when obsessive (and they often promote obsessiveness), are the guard against those memes spreading more widely as they would seem to inoculate and drive away those who've experienced loved ones whose worldviews have been compromised / poisoned by the most vile perspective of a world controlled by "the powers that be" "metaphysical forces beyond our control" etc.

I'm lucky to have found someone who shares many of those interests but who is not obsessed with them as much so can pull me back when necessary.

[elfismiles]

I guess you're describing something like the seeds of cults who traumatize their kids to make them strong - and collapse the complexity of large-scale awareness into mystical beliefs about creating reality or whatever...

Mostly I was just putting into one post 2 information sources I was coming across more or less simultaneously. Putting them in the same thread (while also having one of those threads be part of another existing thread - the Jejune Institute thread) because I saw an interesting connection.

Also near simultaneously I was thinking about the recent outpouring of support for a sort of fandom community with the successful crowdfunding of the #BringBackMST3K kickstarter campaign and ultra-tech-prob-riddled live telethon ending. Which again... !!!!!! Can't tell you how awesome that felt to watch happen. (Aside - which also reminds me of my interest in that parapolitical conspiracy community ploy of MoneyBomb!)

Knowing about and understanding the successes and failures of these sites / groups attempts at creating relationships, networking, and growing community are research for my own attempts at building membership in my non-profits and real-world and online friend groups.

[zangtang]

"does building and keeping large-scale mental models of huge institutions and geopolitical interactions "break" us, to some extent, in terms of our evolutionary imperatives and even our basic biology? Do pessimist researchers live long, healthy lives?"

its broken me.

[divideandconquer]

Are social primates really designed for scale awareness beyond their families and communities? Another way of saying that: does building and keeping large-scale mental models of huge institutions and geopolitical interactions "break" us, to some extent, in terms of our evolutionary imperatives and even our basic biology? Do pessimist researchers live long, healthy lives? Do people who think the future is a slaughterhouse have kids, generally speaking?

Well, as long as those "large-scale mental models of huge institutions and geopolitical interactions" mostly align with the academic indoctrination mills, and does not in any way offend the current climate of political correctness then scale awareness beyond family and community should not pose any problems, even if that large mental model forecasts a bleak future.

However, when one questions the controlled narrative, seriously researches the established power structure, and then challenges the indoctrinated with his findings...that's when it has the potential to break a few of us, because then we run the risk of broken relationships, isolation, etc.

In other words, I think we're more than capable of handling "scale awareness beyond our families and communities", even if that awareness leads us to believe in a pessimistic future. It's only when that "awareness" challenges the accepted mental model that it has the potential to destabilize, therefore creating susceptibility to another form of indoctrination such as reactionary politics, cults, whatever....

As much as those in power want us to believe, critical thought and honest, in-depth research is the culprit here, it's NOT, yet through the crackpot conspiracy theorist meme they've successfully convinced us all that it is.

[Elvis]

Great OP