Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby BrandonD » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:36 pm

cptmarginal » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:35 pm wrote:
zangtang » Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:45 am wrote:bought it at a little 2nd hand/junk shop affair just below the mid-levels on Hong Kong.('96)


Wow, that's pretty cool

You guys should try a Google Image search for "etidorhpa" - trust me, it's worth it :)


If you are referring to all the weird drawings, those are the illustrations that accompany the story. I agree they are very cool. I've read most of the turn-of-the-century hollow earth books (there are surprisingly quite a few) and this one is still my favorite of the bunch.

More bizarre side-info: in the 60s a group of researchers took the information in Etidorhpa and narrowed down the area where the narrator was allegedly taken down into the hollow earth. Based on contextual clues, it was narrowed down to an area in Kentucky called the "Lola quadrangle", which is actually near the famous Mammoth caves. It also turns out that the towns around that area have a high masonic presence in the architecture and population, apparently. When I was younger I was very keen on visiting that area of the country.

Sorry about that digression, back to Hitler and Levenda.
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby zangtang » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:13 pm

i THINK we can afford a digression or two - I recall the pics from the book - esp the phantasmagoria from
the 'valley of repentent drunkards' or whatever......

never did pick up that copy of 'the smoky god' which called to me for couple of years i used to frequent
occult bookshop in Holborn,London - side street in front of 'the British Museum'.....

so, the Lola Quadrangle....if i feel suicidal or fancy disappearing forever, might go exploring...........
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:05 pm

BrandonD » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:36 am wrote:
cptmarginal » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:35 pm wrote:
zangtang » Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:45 am wrote:bought it at a little 2nd hand/junk shop affair just below the mid-levels on Hong Kong.('96)


Wow, that's pretty cool

You guys should try a Google Image search for "etidorhpa" - trust me, it's worth it :)


If you are referring to all the weird drawings, those are the illustrations that accompany the story. I agree they are very cool. I've read most of the turn-of-the-century hollow earth books (there are surprisingly quite a few) and this one is still my favorite of the bunch.

More bizarre side-info: in the 60s a group of researchers took the information in Etidorhpa and narrowed down the area where the narrator was allegedly taken down into the hollow earth. Based on contextual clues, it was narrowed down to an area in Kentucky called the "Lola quadrangle", which is actually near the famous Mammoth caves. It also turns out that the towns around that area have a high masonic presence in the architecture and population, apparently. When I was younger I was very keen on visiting that area of the country.

Sorry about that digression, back to Hitler and Levenda.


Actually quite appropo for Levenda, as he talks about the juncture of the states along the ohio in some of his work.

This area is also not far from cave-in-rock and sports a fault zone and magnetic anomalies as well according to geologic survey.

I wish I had crossed the Ohio to go see it at least once.
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby semper occultus » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:53 am

..prompted by the podcast thread I had a look at Dave Emory's page to see the following :

http://spitfirelist.com/audio/for-the-record-programs-from-800-complete-audio/


FTR #838 Inter­view (#1) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #839 Inter­view (#2) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #840 Inter­view (#3) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #841 Inter­view (#4) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #842 Inter­view (#5) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #843 Inter­view (#6) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute seg­ment.

FTR #844 Inter­view (#7) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #845 Inter­view (#8) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #846 Inter­view (#9) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #847 Inter­view (#10) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute seg­ment.
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby conniption » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:07 am

semper occultus » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:53 am wrote:..prompted by the podcast thread I had a look at Dave Emory's page to see the following :

http://spitfirelist.com/audio/for-the-record-programs-from-800-complete-audio/


FTR #838 Inter­view (#1) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #839 Inter­view (#2) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #840 Inter­view (#3) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #841 Inter­view (#4) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #842 Inter­view (#5) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #843 Inter­view (#6) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute seg­ment.

FTR #844 Inter­view (#7) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #845 Inter­view (#8) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #846 Inter­view (#9) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute segment.

FTR #847 Inter­view (#10) with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” This broad­cast is one, 60-minute seg­ment.



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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby semper occultus » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:27 am

I started in on it then thought it'll have to wait til I've read the book...but what the **** is up with Dave Emory...... I thought he must have had a stroke or something..!?

...there's something quite cagey he posted a while ago about having serious dental surgery & some google chatter that it might have been something more drastic.... :shrug:
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:05 am

BrandonD » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:36 am wrote:
cptmarginal » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:35 pm wrote:
zangtang » Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:45 am wrote:bought it at a little 2nd hand/junk shop affair just below the mid-levels on Hong Kong.('96)


Wow, that's pretty cool

You guys should try a Google Image search for "etidorhpa" - trust me, it's worth it :)


If you are referring to all the weird drawings, those are the illustrations that accompany the story. I agree they are very cool. I've read most of the turn-of-the-century hollow earth books (there are surprisingly quite a few) and this one is still my favorite of the bunch.

More bizarre side-info: in the 60s a group of researchers took the information in Etidorhpa and narrowed down the area where the narrator was allegedly taken down into the hollow earth. Based on contextual clues, it was narrowed down to an area in Kentucky called the "Lola quadrangle", which is actually near the famous Mammoth caves. It also turns out that the towns around that area have a high masonic presence in the architecture and population, apparently. When I was younger I was very keen on visiting that area of the country.



I went to Mammoth caves this past November. The snowball room was bizarre; a concession area 167' down. They shut it down not very long ago because it was ruining the calcium carbonate formations.

I can attest to the masonic presence in the area.

Also, I'd advise against ever staying in the wigwam village. We ended up camping by the green river.
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby IanEye » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:35 pm

semper occultus » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:27 am wrote:I started in on it then thought it'll have to wait til I've read the book...but what the **** is up with Dave Emory...... I thought he must have had a stroke or something..!?




Emory's voice has become a perfect synthesis of Hugh Downs and Barbara Walters.
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:19 am

It is frustrating when authors make it necessary to re-hash what is already known so to give greater support for the disparate sources that are actually novel. So much has been written already about Operation Paperclip and the like, that when an author finds a new connection or a new bit of information, they torture us with a book-length rehash so as to present the actual meat of information that could be better served in an article. For instance, the three books of Sinister Forces might be better scaled down to one book of original commentary. Is that the feel of this new Lavenda book?
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5 golden rings

Postby IanEye » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:32 am

Occult Means Hidden » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:19 am wrote:It is frustrating when authors make it necessary to re-hash what is already known so to give greater support for the disparate sources that are actually novel.


Image

This is the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the malt that lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the cat that killed the rat
That ate the malt that lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the judge all shaven and shorn
That married the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the rooster that crowed in the morn
That woke the judge all shaven and shorn
That married the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the farmer sowing his corn
That kept the rooster that crowed in the morn
That woke the judge all shaven and shorn
That married the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.
This is the horse and the hound and the horn
That belonged to the farmer sowing his corn
That kept the rooster that crowed in the morn
That woke the judge all shaven and shorn
That married the man all tattered and torn
That kissed the maiden all forlorn
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn
That tossed the dog that worried the cat
That killed the rat that ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack Ruby built.




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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:27 am

It's so very RI to respond this way. It's attack of the hipsters around here, sometimes.
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Postby IanEye » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:58 am

I have been listening to the Emory/Levenda interviews one right after the other.
I spent most of yesterday doing this.
The repetition of recapping what was said in the previous episodes gave me that "house of Jack" feeling.

The layers of Frippertronics induces a similar feeling in my brain.

A parallel story follows Nicholas Branch, a CIA archivist of more recent times assigned the monumental task of piecing together the disparate fragments of Kennedy's death. Branch concludes that the effort will be never-ending and the whole truth ultimately unknowable. Branch is an example of the reader appearing in the novel itself, one of the postmodern phenomena that marks DeLillo's work. He is also a contribution to the book's theme of the struggle to make sense of life and his conclusion may be taken to some extent to be DeLillo's own. There are patterns, but what is a significant pattern (intention, motivation, human or divine creation) and what is coincidence (an idée fixe of one of the book's characters) is impossible to tell.
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby cptmarginal » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:45 pm

Twyla LaSarc wrote:
BrandonD » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:36 am wrote:
cptmarginal » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:35 pm wrote:
zangtang » Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:45 am wrote:bought it at a little 2nd hand/junk shop affair just below the mid-levels on Hong Kong.('96)


Wow, that's pretty cool

You guys should try a Google Image search for "etidorhpa" - trust me, it's worth it :)


If you are referring to all the weird drawings, those are the illustrations that accompany the story. I agree they are very cool. I've read most of the turn-of-the-century hollow earth books (there are surprisingly quite a few) and this one is still my favorite of the bunch.

More bizarre side-info: in the 60s a group of researchers took the information in Etidorhpa and narrowed down the area where the narrator was allegedly taken down into the hollow earth. Based on contextual clues, it was narrowed down to an area in Kentucky called the "Lola quadrangle", which is actually near the famous Mammoth caves. It also turns out that the towns around that area have a high masonic presence in the architecture and population, apparently. When I was younger I was very keen on visiting that area of the country.

Sorry about that digression, back to Hitler and Levenda.


Actually quite appropo for Levenda, as he talks about the juncture of the states along the ohio in some of his work.

This area is also not far from cave-in-rock and sports a fault zone and magnetic anomalies as well according to geologic survey.

I wish I had crossed the Ohio to go see it at least once.


I actually live near that area of Ohio, and yes it did add to the experience of reading the first Sinister Forces book. Surrounded by mound sites and decrepit Knights of Pythias lodges etc. Charles Manson was raised right across the river from where the "Mothman" incidents were reported in West Virginia.

brainpanhandler wrote:I went to Mammoth caves this past November. The snowball room was bizarre; a concession area 167' down. They shut it down not very long ago because it was ruining the calcium carbonate formations.

I can attest to the masonic presence in the area.

Also, I'd advise against ever staying in the wigwam village. We ended up camping by the green river


One thing I might add on this subject is that my mom grew up next to Mammoth Cave, KY and her father was apparently a somewhat prominent lawyer and Freemason in Kentucky :)
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:11 pm

Last night I was lent a copy of the Mothman Prophecies - now all I need to do is read some Abramelin the Mage (if OP ED's old threads are anything to go by)
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Re: Levenda : The Hitler Legacy

Postby guruilla » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:33 pm

Thinking to ask Levenda back onto the Liminalist podcast.

Any particular questions or subjects that RI-ers would like to have him address?

This is what we covered last time:

the cultural dissonace of traveling, alternate approaches to writing, the lens of liminality, Levenda’s knack, teenage years, political and religious awareness, writing and synchronicity, the river of Tao & the writer’s mission, endless doubt, breaking the vow of silence, the dangers of inadvertently contributing to the cover-up, conspiracy culture, the Moon landing and the liminality of not-knowing, how the mainstream press has failed us, cherry-picking conspiracy-theorists, blood and documents, the loss of faith in institutions, pedophilia in the UK, a liminal period, rising mimesis, charisma and false ceremony masters, mimetic control, Mercury the trickster, Lord of the Crossroads, idolizing serial killers, Hannibal Lecter and the shadow of the shaman, betrayed by science, “Trust me, I”m a doctor,” the Golden Dawn Rule, the dummy’s guide to spiritual enlightenment, the novitiate and learning to trust the unconscious, shamanic dismemberment, anthropology infiltrated, academia in entropy, the closing down of spirituality, navigating the snake pit of the unconscious, the desire for certainty, Ayn Rand’s sociopathic ideal, identifying the scapegoat, on shifting sands, the end of idols, celebrity empowerment participation, Hollywood and Might is Right, the victory of technology over morality, negative identity and the scapegoat mechanism, a multiplicity of consciousness, the antithetical other, Americanism and the need for an enemy, the 3rd Reich and the US, manifest destiny, Rene Girard applied to geopolitics, a displaced people (US/Israel), living in a haunted house, communicating through attacking, using language as a perceptual weapon, displacing cultures, counter-cultural warfare, nation-abusers, validating the crime by repeating the crime, killing the savage.

Jimmy Savile and false individuation through violence, magical taboos, banishing the soul by desensitization, shamanically internalized violence, the serial killer as failed shaman, Jung and schizophrenic society, identification with community, Paul Bowles on the Arab unconscious, diverging psychologies, Americanism and homogeneity, “Star Trek” and colonialism, psychology disguised as politics, weaponizing Islam, Eisenhower and Dulles, the sorcerer’s apprentice, seeing as transforming, erasing the borders between subject and object, erasing liminality by embracing liminality, crossing the abyss, secular and sacred space.

Kubrick again, 2001-as-propaganda, religion-as-dissociation-mechanism, Ludendorff and war as the natural state, growth through conflict, Jasun’s magickal path, spirituality as pathology, the problem of individuation, saints’ visions of unresolved psychological material, right/wrong or real/unreal, Kubrick’s show and tell, the bid to conquer space and religion weaponized, space race as cultural warfare, Roman Catholic missiles, US thinking in boxes, William Sims Bainbridge and Galactic Religion, seeding memes through pop culture towards space colonization, the myth of inter-species communication, autism and ETs, Levenda’s idea of entertainment, scenes of devastation in the Hunger Games, identifying with fantasy victims.

Back to Girard, divinizing the scapegoat, Native Americans and autists, self-dehumanization, self-inflicted trauma, groups bound together by multiple trauma, how the US was founded by trauma victims, Mars tourism, infecting the Universe, the serial killer’s traumatic reenactment as US policy, Levenda’s middle way, becoming conscious of unconscious agency, becoming separate from compulsion, Catholic mass as trauma-reenactment, Levenda’s early communion experience, the body as focal point, blood and Eros, evolutionary engineering and the cure that almost works, psychism vs. enlightenment, the two Tantras, Crowley and the Black Brothers, Jasun’s failed will to power, the spiritual smorgasbord of psychic fragmentation, embodiment as the only thing that works, imaginary Rosicrucians and the doctors of the soul.
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