TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[IanEye]

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listening to "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" over and over again lately, I'm just very worried about the future and our current parallels to the 30s.

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[Karmamatterz]

I mostly LURK (my BAD for the brainfart wrong choice of words in OP) on this site and have for many years.

I had to laugh at this thread. What a joke. I thought people on this board were much more intelligent than this. Why is it it seems only a few get it? Nordic and Wombaticus seem to on different levels.

Nordic wrote:

Well I see your point but those sentiments are already there. He's just giving voice to them. I don't think he's any more dangerous than any other reality-show blowhards like most of the folks at Faux News.

Thank you Nordic.

Tell me all you Trump haters, just which elected official really gives a rats ass about you, freedom, the U.S. constitution, justice etc...? Is anybody dumb enough to really think they care? Please, one of you Obama supporters stick your neck out and say Obama cares. So want to hear you explain how much he fucking cares while he is greenlighting drones killing children. Fucking idiots

Another comment from someone:

Why does Donald Trump want to be president anyway?

Does he want power for the simple pleasure of wielding it?

If so, it's frightening.

LOL??? REALLY???? What fairytale universe do you live in? More like LMFAO!

Jesus h-Christ......who the hell thinks power is NOT what rules the world? Who lives their lives not understanding that power is a constant force in our humanity? Doesn't mean it's used for good, but it exists and always exists in humans. Many wealthy people accumulate money to gain more power. Who needs to be a billionaire if you have got the world's most powerful military at your fingertips? It's not about money, it's all about power.

It's nauseating to think any president is a righteous do-gooder. Trump is a populist, big fucking deal. He probably read a few tomes about Father Coughlin or listened to Rushbo for a few months to learn his craft. He is speaking for millions of Americans though who believe the stuff he says. Doesn't mean he is right or wrong, he mirrors their sentiments. Won't matter anyhow who gets elected, the machine gears will keep turning. Step in it's way and you will get spit out of the meat grinder.

Come election time I'm voting for my dog as a write-in. My dog shitting on the White House floors and lawn is much better than all the previous presidents.

Wombat, thanks for having thoughtful comments based on reason and balanced observations.

[IanEye]

Nordic wrote:

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[82_28]

Alright, karmawhatever. I started this thread myself because I was alarmed of the potential treatment of Mexicans. There you have it.

[Karmamatterz]

I've been reading this site for years. More like a lurker. Just got some time after months of being away.

I'm alarmed as well 82_28. I'm MORE alarmed that people who I know have been on this board for years still don't know how to interpret the news and information that is blasted out of the MSM. More alarmed that people ACTUALLY TAKE POLITICIANS SERIOUSLY. Or that they believe elected officials care about you or the general populace other than it being part of the big machine. I've been away for this site too long for sure.

[seemslikeadream]

I've been reading this site for years. More like a lurker. Just got some time after months of being away.

I'm alarmed as well 82_28. I'm MORE alarmed that people who I know have been on this board for years still don't know how to interpret the news and information that is blasted out of the MSM. More alarmed that people ACTUALLY TAKE POLITICIANS SERIOUSLY. Or that they believe elected officials care about you or the general populace other than it being part of the big machine. I've been away for this site too long for sure.

Stuff that is posted here does not necessarily reflect the views of the posters ...it may very well be just reporting what is happening in that other world..I report you interpret ........SERIOUSLY.

I don't think anyone here wants to spoon feed anybody


maybe you should come back and tell us all how it is....really We're all pretty slow learners..in constant need of direction

49 posts...I guess you are qualified and your track record speaks for itself


this is not a drive by kinda place


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrWI-9GTHKM

you don't like it ...sue me

[82_28]

Karmamaterz, I don't like the precedent and the normalization of racism that Dump started. Where there wasn't really an issue, now there is one. I don't give a fuck how many Mexicans or Muslims are "here". They belong on Earth just like all the rest of "us". . .

We should not be getting into the business of singling people out. And if the front runner is Dump, we're in for a ride. Fuck that guy and the damage he has done. Many co-workers/friends would come to me because they were afraid for their families because of La Migra (rumors abound between immigrants who don't know a whole lot of English). All I could do was assure them that America is not like that and that on "my watch" estes muy seguro. Now it is quickly becoming so poisoned with the emboldening presence of Dump. I do not want children and anybody for that matter to be frightened. I gotz no power other than friendship.

[Luther Blissett]

We don't really like Obama here…

[tapitsbo]

Don't "like" Obama personally but he seems vastly preferable to Clinton, Cruz, and the other candidates

82_82 an "Earth" entity could well be preferable to the USA but racism surely was mainstream long before Trump. Luther do you feel a Trumpresidency could up the ante productively for Left militancy?

[Elvis]

I keep coming back to Elvis's prediction on the Trump is a Hillary Plant thread.

I wouldn't really call it a prediction, but reading my scenario, one might ask, "Where are the police in all this—while Trump's paramilitary goons are running amok?" The NEPBA endorsement answers that: they, too, too would be loving it.


Look at these guys—itching for the green light.



I don't agree with Karmamatterz' assessment that there's essentially no difference between Trump and other politicians.

[tapitsbo]

I don't agree with Karmamatterz either on this issue.

From ISGP, some of "populist" Trump's appointments:

World Knowledge Forum, South Korea - 2000
Former speakers: Alan Greenspan | Colin Powell | Condoleezza Rice | Maurice Strong | John Howard (PM Australia) | James Wolfensohn | Frank-Jurgen Richter | Tony Blair | Yukio Hatoyama (Japan PM) | Richard Branson | Paul Krugman | Jeffrey Katzenberg | Niall Ferguson | Donald Trump | Gordon Brown | Lawrence Summers | Amy Chua | Jean-Louis Beffa | Thierry De Montbrial | Joschka Fischer | Wim Kok | Dominique Strauss-Kahn

German-American Hall of Fame, New York - inducted 2004
Trustees: Siegfried & Roy | Louis Freeh | Donald Trump | Wolfgang Ischinger | Frederick W. Hoffman (Chrysler). Inducted: Walter Cronkite (2007) | John Kluge (2007) | Walter Chrysler (2007)

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Both Ivana and Ivanka Trump were in Epstein's contact list, on top of the "alleged" use of his resort by Ghislain Maxwell. FWIW Trump also donated to Rahm Emmanuel's mayoral campaign and employed his brother as his agent...

None of this should be a big surprise to RI readers, but it's good fodder to add to the thread, imho.

Of course his shady practices as an employer are on record too

Anyways if we're going to have a Trump thread best to compile info about him - he does appear rather closely linked to other politicians but is by no means identical to them.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Karmamaterz, I don't like the precedent and the normalization of racism that Dump started. Where there wasn't really an issue, now there is one. I don't give a fuck how many Mexicans or Muslims are "here". They belong on Earth just like all the rest of "us". . .

As Tapitsbo alludes in his prior post above, there IS an issue, an issue DEEPLY ROOTED within an increasingly disenfranchised/frustrated/impotent demographic looking for scapegoats/solutions to their ills, perceived or otherwise.
They have been influenced (and made 'stupider' through various forms of conditioning/programming, but also through ACTIONS perpetrated against the fast-dwindling middle class) to point their fingers at THE OTHER as the cause for their ills.
TRUMP, vile beast as he may be, has intuitively tapped into this sentiment shared by a GROWING segment of the U.S. populace. It exists, regardless of TRUMP's current role as a "candidate". It simply needed a vessel to pick the scab and expose the infection to the elements.

Like it or not, due to a variety of socioeconomic (and other) factors at play over the last 15+ years, this was INEVITABLE. And unfortunately -- much to our chagrin -- it's unlikely to subside until The Collective experiences it, cleanses itself of it, and moves on....

Or perhaps it'll simply pass us by, a near miss, before it reaches a fever pitch.
If so, it's only a matter of time before it'll flare up again.

Circumstances for the many won't be changing for the better anytime soon.

[tapitsbo]

Lots to be pessimistic about, especially in terms of material abundance.

But lots of changes to the good are happening already and have been happening.

The support for Trump does seem to be one of the stupider forms of conditioning/programming spreading wide and fast. Others justify it as accelerationism but really all of the unappetizing candidates provide this.

[Belligerent Savant]

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"The biggest changes and most significant 'wars' don't involve shots being fired, I think..."

- I applaud your idealism and would welcome such a scenario with open arms. Let's hope you're right.

[Belligerent Savant]

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EDIT: Wait a minute. I had another comment posted, several paragraphs long, that now disappeared, along with tapitsbo's reply to it. I even quoted a line from tapitsbo's reply in my prior comment above. What happened to our posts?


If it can't be recovered, I ask the Mod(s) to simply delete this posting to avoid further 'distraction'