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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:11 pm

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Mohamed Elshinawy, 30, of Edgewood, Maryland, was arrested on Friday, Dec. 11, 2015, on a federal criminal complaint charging him with attempting to provide material support to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), a designated foreign terrorist organization; obstruction of agency proceedings; and making false statements and falsifying or concealing material facts. Elshinawy will have his initial appearance today at 2:45 p.m. EST before U.S. Magistrate Judge Beth P. Gesner of the District of Maryland in Baltimore.

The criminal complaint was announced by Assistant Attorney General for National Security John P. Carlin, U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein of the District of Maryland and Special Agent in Charge Kevin Perkins of the FBI’s Baltimore Division.

“According to the allegations in the complaint, Mohamed Elshinawy received money he believed was provided by ISIL in order to conduct an attack on U.S. soil,” said Assistant Attorney General Carlin. “When confronted by the FBI, he lied in order to conceal his support for ISIL and the steps he took to provide material support to the deadly foreign terrorist organization. He will now be held accountable for these crimes. The National Security Division’s highest priority is counterterrorism and we will continue to pursue and disrupt those who seek to provide material support to ISIL.”

“This case demonstrates how terrorists exploit modern technology to inculcate sympathizers and build hidden networks, but federal agents and prosecutors are working tirelessly and using every available lawful tool to disrupt their evil schemes,” said U.S. Attorney Rosenstein. “The affidavit alleges that Mr. Elshinawy initially told the FBI that he was defrauding the terrorists, but further investigation showed that Mr. Elshinawy was supporting the terrorists and misleading the FBI.”

The affidavit filed in federal court alleges that in June 2015, the FBI became aware of an individual located in Egypt who was attempting to send money to the United States, possibly for nefarious purposes. The investigation revealed that on June 28, 2015, that individual wire transferred $1,000 to Elshinawy. The FBI interviewed Elshinawy on July 17, 2015. The affidavit alleges that Elshinawy first claimed that his mother had sent him the money, and then that the money was to purchase an iPhone for a friend. Later, he admitted that a childhood friend had contacted him a few months earlier to connect him, through social media, with an unidentified member of ISIL (referred to in the complaint as the “unidentified ISIL operative”). Elshinawy began communicating with the unidentified ISIL operative through a method of communication used by ISIL. The defendant also admitted that he understood the individual in Egypt who wire transferred the money on June 28, 2015, also to be an ISIL operative (referred to in the complaint as the “Egyptian ISIL operative”).

Elshinawy said that he had received a total of $4,000 in two payments –$1,000 through Western Union and $3,000 through PayPal – and that the ISIL operative instructed Elshinawy to use the monies for “operational purposes,” which Elshinawy understood to mean causing destruction or conducting a terrorist attack in the United States. Elshinawy stated that ISIL instructed him that if he ever came under surveillance by law enforcement, he should stop whatever activities he was doing in connection with executing an attack. Elshinawy claimed, however, that he never intended to carry out an attack and was only trying to get money from ISIL.

The affidavit further alleges that during a second interview with the FBI on July 20, 2015, Elshinawy stated emphatically that he received no other funds from ISIL other than the $4,000 he had previously disclosed. Later, however, Elshinawy said that he remembered receiving another payment of $1,200 from ISIL through PayPal, from the same unidentified ISIL operative, by order of a man in Syria. In this instance, Elshinawy explained that in order to receive the transfers from the unidentified ISIL operative, he engaged in a scheme by which he pretended to sell printers on eBay that would serve as a cover for the payments he received from ISIL.

A review of PayPal records indicates that Elshinawy allegedly concealed at least $3,500 of $7,700 that he received from ISIL operatives through his PayPal account between March and June 2015, specifically, $1,500 on March 23; $1,000 on April 16; $1,000 on May 1; $3,000 on May 14; and $1,200 on June 7. In total, Elshinawy allegedly received at least $8,700 from individuals he understood to be associated with ISIL.

According to the affidavit, Elshinawy used social media, multiple email accounts and “pay as you go” phones subscribed to him under various aliases to communicate with the individuals he understood to be associated with ISIL.

The social media communications between Elshinawy and his childhood friend were in Arabic, and many contained jihadist rhetoric found in ISIL- and other terrorist-related propaganda.

The investigation revealed that on Feb. 17, 2015, Elshinawy pledged his allegiance to ISIL and asked his childhood friend to deliver his message of loyalty. He stated that he was a soldier of the state, a common reference to ISIL, but temporarily away. Elshinawy also stated that his soul was over there with the jihadists and that every time he saw the news, he smiled. At the time of this conversation, ISIL recently had conducted a series of attacks and gained territory in Iraq. On Feb. 16, 2015, a video was publicly released showing the execution of 21 Egyptian nationals in Libya by ISIL extremists.

Also on Feb. 17, 2015, the childhood friend told Elshinawy to seek God’s help and not tell anyone his plans for a terrorist attack. Elshinawy agreed and acknowledged that it is a crime in the United States. He further declared his allegiance to committing jihad.

The investigation also revealed that on April 27, 2015, Elshinawy told his brother that he had pledged allegiance to ISIL and that he had received money from ISIL and expected to receive even more. In further communications with his brother in May 2015, Elshinawy stated his desire to die as a martyr for the Islamic State (ISIL), and in August 2015, he directed his brother to take steps to conceal their communications and any communications with the childhood friend, because Elshinawy believed his relationship with ISIL had been compromised.

The maximum sentence of imprisonment for attempting to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization is 15 years; for obstruction of agency proceedings is eight years; and for making material false statements is eight years.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:15 pm

NBC Los Angeles wrote:
Shortly after, the vehicle exited the freeway and turned onto San Bernardino Avenue. Capps said he saw the SUV's back window shatter and he saw gunfire coming from inside the vehicle.



I was reading the WIkipedia page on the shootings, thinking that if there was any actual evidence connecting the couple to the shootings, it would be found there.

I perked up when I noticed this passage in the "Shootout" section:

Seven police agencies were involved in the final shootout, with 23 officers firing a combined total of approximately 380 rounds.[14] The perpetrators fired 76 rifle rounds.[14][18] During the shootout, police asked residents to stay indoors.[52][53]


Jump down to the citation in the footnote:

14. Rong-Gong Lin II; Richard Winton (December 4, 2015). "San Bernardino suspects 'sprayed the room with bullets,' police chief says". Los Angeles Times.

At the shootout with police: Seven police agencies were involved, and 23 officers fired weapons in the final gun battle. "Law enforcement fired approximately 380 rounds at the suspects. Both of them were killed here at the scene. The suspects are believed to have fired about 76 rifle rounds at the officers at the termination of the pursuit," Burguan said. On their bodies and in the vehicle, there were more than 1,400 .223 caliber rounds and over 200 9 mm rounds.

On the gun battle: "It's my understanding that they [the suspects] opened fire first. Rounds came out of the back of the car from the female that was in the back, firing through the back of the SUV at the police vehicles. And then the male suspect, who was the driver, got out and fired at officers from the street as well," the chief said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html


I cannot believe there was time for the couple to fire 76 rounds once the shooting started, with 380 police rounds blasting at them (a much more believable number, you can hear the volley in video).

Again, not a drop of blood on the weapons displayed. I'm still waiting for video of the body and weapons etc. being removed from the SUV.


I have a new tack for those clinging to the patchy official narrative: What the authorities have cooked up here is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:19 pm

^^Wikipedia/LATimes: "the male suspect, who was the driver"

It has most certainly been stated elsewhere that Tiny Woman drove the car.

ON EDIT: here:
It was Malik [the woman] who drove the car on the day of the shooting, reports CNN.

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:39 pm

Later in the Wikipedia page:

A senior federal official said that Farook had some contact with people from the Nusra Front, the official al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria


Now that I can believe—if someone who wanted to defame Muslims was setting up the couple as patsies.

Because:
In the Golan, Israel has cultivated an alliance with Islamist forces it falsely claims to detest: the al-Nusra Front. It has built a camp to house fighters and their families on Israeli-held territory. It conducts regular meetings with Islamist commanders and provides military and other critical supplies to them. All of this is documented in written UN reports and images captured by journalists and activists on the armistice line (between Syria and Israel).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-da ... ts/5458515


I can believe "Al Nusra" may have had contact with Farook despite that fact that the Wikipedia "source" for the claim that "Farook had some contact with people from the Nusra Front" is this completely unrelated article from May, 2015: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/12392/21/Gulf-allies-and-%E2%80%98Army-of-Conquest%E2%80%99.aspx. I won't paste any of it because, again, it has nothing to do with Farook.

So far, the clearest explanation for the couple's behaviors is that they were set up, quite possibly, and logically, by someone like Mossad and/or US neocons, or similar operatives, using the Al Nusra label as cover and/or working through private contractors .
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:47 pm

elfismiles » 15 Dec 2015 22:50 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think tactical gear = bullet proof vest. So it's possible they wore tactical gear to the shooting but no bp vests until later.

stickdog99 » 15 Dec 2015 21:53 wrote:Cops' Shoot'em Up Story
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"I saw them putting on what I believed to be bullet proof vests."[/i]

OK, so they changed out of their tactical gear after the workplace shooting, then just happened to get dressed up in SUV in front of the leaf cop?


OK. But why not were the bp vests earlier if you had some?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby elfismiles » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:09 pm

Well if this wasn't very carefully planned, and the first shooting likely wouldn't involve armed resistance, or maybe the tactical gear and bp vests can't be worn together...

:shrug:

stickdog99 » 15 Dec 2015 23:47 wrote:
elfismiles » 15 Dec 2015 22:50 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think tactical gear = bullet proof vest. So it's possible they wore tactical gear to the shooting but no bp vests until later.


OK. But why not were the bp vests earlier if you had some?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:11 pm

Did the hacks know what they were doing when they called that dead couple "The Islamist Bonnie and Clyde"?

The final (entirely one-sided) "shootout" - 1 min 22 secs. (Warning: when the film came out in 1967 this violence was found shocking, and not for no reason. Shows you how far America has come since then):

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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:24 pm

See here for image, WARNING: it includes a distant shot of Farook's corpse, and what looks like an AR-15: http://www.sott.net/image/s14/287250/full/farook_SUV.jpg

There does seem to be an AR-15 near Farook's body—not strapped to his body—like the one later seen leaned against the curb, and one of the two displayed on a blanket at the scene—which showed no blood despite at least dozens of police rounds hitting the SUV's passenger conpartment.

Assuming Farook had been set up as a patsy, I'm trying to figure out why he'd emerge from the SUV with a weapon that was not strapped to him.

Speculation: The reports of "a runner" leaving the scene on foot leaves open the possibility that a third person was driving, or in the SUV. If so, maybe Farook was compelled to exit by the third person, to draw fire while the third person escaped.

Thoughts?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:38 pm

^^ Elvis, the first thing that strikes me about that photo is that there is no trail of blood (or debris of any kind) to be seen anywhere. And yet we are told that there had just been a zillion-shot "shootout" during that (35 mph) "car chase"???

The road is pristine, spotless. How on earth did he end up where he is? Especially without bleeding all over the road.

(By the way: Re: "WARNING(s)" - I think we are being too hyperaware of the possible feelings of the hypersensitive. The subject of the thread is two separate acts of extreme violence. Anyone following it will know that. And no image has yet been posted or even linked to by anyone that shows anything truly gruesome. I think the warnings are counterproductive, because they make people fear the worst when all that's waiting for them is a blurred aerial photo of wholly unidentifiable (but un-mangled) figures.)
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:49 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:^^ Elvis, the first thing that strikes me about that photo is that there is no trail of blood (or debris of any kind) to be seen anywhere. And yet we are told that there had just been a zillion-shot "shootout" during that (35 mph) "car chase"?

The road is pristine, spotless. How on earth did he end up where he is? Especially without bleeding all over the road.



Yes!! And that's quite an expanse of spotless pavement.

Could Farook have emerged from the van before he was shot badly enough to bleed out a great deal?

Closeup photos do exist of what appear to be the head of Farook's dead body. Half his face is shot away, brains spilling out. (These are being posted on hate-the-Muslim sites, where the commenters compete to spew the greatest bile over the photos.)
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:59 pm

So a zillion highly-disciplined (but dismally crosseyed) cops stopped shooting instantly -- "Cease fire!" -- while he got out of the car (unwounded, unbleeding, and armed with an AK-47) and crossed that wide expanse of road at his leisure... and then one of the cops somehow uncrossed his eyes and shot the Deathloving Superdad dead with a single bullet when he finally reached the sidewalk?

Or maybe we'll be told he died of a sudden very bad nosebleed.*

* Nothing about the reporting of this case can surprise me anymore.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby divideandconquer » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:08 pm

(By the way: Re: "WARNING(s)" - I think we are being too hyperaware of the possible feelings of the hypersensitive. The subject of the thread is two separate acts of extreme violence. Anyone following it will know that. And no image has yet been posted or even linked to by anyone that shows anything truly gruesome. I think the warnings are counterproductive, because they make people fear the worst when all that's waiting for them is a blurred aerial photo of wholly unidentifiable (but un-mangled) figures.)


I totally agree. How can you investigate something if you are not willing to look at the "evidence"?
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:51 pm

Elvis » 16 Dec 2015 00:24 wrote:See here for image, WARNING: it includes a distant shot of Farook's corpse, and what looks like an AR-15: http://www.sott.net/image/s14/287250/full/farook_SUV.jpg

There does seem to be an AR-15 near Farook's body—not strapped to his body—like the one later seen leaned against the curb, and one of the two displayed on a blanket at the scene—which showed no blood despite at least dozens of police rounds hitting the SUV's passenger conpartment.

Assuming Farook had been set up as a patsy, I'm trying to figure out why he'd emerge from the SUV with a weapon that was not strapped to him.

Speculation: The reports of "a runner" leaving the scene on foot leaves open the possibility that a third person was driving, or in the SUV. If so, maybe Farook was compelled to exit by the third person, to draw fire while the third person escaped.

Thoughts?


The third person is the one that put the gun there. Maybe after making sure the other two were 100% dead.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:55 pm

MacCruiskeen » 16 Dec 2015 00:59 wrote:So a zillion highly-disciplined (but dismally crosseyed) cops stopped shooting instantly -- "Cease fire!" -- while he got out of the car (unwounded, unbleeding, and armed with an AK-47) and crossed that wide expanse of road at his leisure... and then one of the cops somehow uncrossed his eyes and shot the Deathloving Superdad dead with a single bullet when he finally reached the sidewalk?

Or maybe we'll be told he died of a sudden very bad nosebleed.*

* Nothing about the reporting of this case can surprise me anymore.


I think he died of "fog of war" inhalation.
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Re: Active Shooter San Bernardino

Postby SonicG » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:02 pm

I have found a layout of the building and room showing where they parked, entered and shot from. It seems that witnesses could clearly see them, which seems to be the case as they walked into the party and started shooting in front of everyone, no?
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And again, where did the cop see them putting on bulletproof vests? Now the story is the SUV came cruising by the house right as the cops were approaching? So yes, they either saw that while the SUV was stopped in front of their house. In which case you would think that they would swarm then then, or they saw them put them on while moving...

Agreed about the recoil. Yes she obviously didn't weigh 90 pounds, maybe a chubby 130 even, but still five foot and I doubt she worked out so those rifles would be tough to handle I would imagine even though she supposedly went to shooting ranges numerous times. Which the cops say are true but no reporters have found any witnesses at other ranges except for the one that has identified Farook.
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