Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

[BrandonD]

OpLan posted this video which purports to calculate the gravity indicated by a the movement of a swinging strap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kojsfbN8ulc

This video may be true, but these sort of arguments aren't convincing for me. On the one hand, to accept even the premise of this mathematical argument is to already accept assumptions that, for me, have yet to be proven.

Apart from being an efficient method of modeling the physical world, mathematics has also been utilized socially as an efficient method of separating man from his own direct experience of that world.

One aspect of intuition, the quality that we often seem to laud on paper but generally disregard in practice, is an instinctive internal understanding of physics built up through a lifelong interaction with the physical world.

But in my experience, intuition is something that must be exercised just like intellect or physical strength. Which means, on occasion, trusting one's own judgment even though it may run counter to one's peers.

At the same time, our judgment might be wrong. I'm not trying to convince anyone to follow my road, I've certainly received a lot of hate for daring to give this subject serious consideration.

[82_28]

One aspect to consider is that the "live" footage was decidedly lo-def -- not that they decided it to be low definition given the technology of the time. But it is low definition. I come from a long line of having read dozens of books on science and being honest, I will have to be honest and say we will never know with any certainty that the landings actually took place. Probably? Yes. Possibly not? Yes.

Many engineers worked on this shit and one of them would probably know something or another. Does anyone know of the exact time (pre-Internet) that the amazement of the feat of landing humanity on the moon became speculated to be a hoax? If so, who was it and what was their background before not believing the "official" story. It would have to be someone at the three American TV networks at the time getting their feeds from NASA. Bear in mind, as well, that this is when future this and future that was all the rage.



Also, to "Hugh it up some" I point you to The Parallax View which featured the Space Needle in its opening scene.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parallax_View

[Elvis]

Does anyone know of the exact time (pre-Internet) that the amazement of the feat of landing humanity on the moon became speculated to be a hoax? If so, who was it and what was their background before not believing the "official" story.

For what it's worth—not much?—Richard Hoagland says that the "moon hoax" was started by NASA itself, or someone working with someone in NASA, right from the beginning—and he was there to see it :

Richard Hoagland claims:

I was at JPL when we made the transition from Downey up to JPL to cover the Mariner 6 and Mariner 7 missions. I was there as someone in the auditorium was being squired around by the head of NASA Public Affairs for JPL, named Frank Bristo, who was walking this guy around who was putting some little pamphlet on every reporter's seat in the auditorium.

And then he was led outside to hand personally a copy of this memo or whatever it was, to every reporter who was in the press room waiting for one of the press conferences to begin. So I got one and I read it and I was flabbergasted. Because here was a guy, being officially sponsored by a NASA official, handing out a document that said: “The entire Apollo 11 mission was just completed in a studio, a sound stage in Nevada, and the whole thing is a fake."

And I wish I had kept that document! We're now looking for some reporter who at the time, as a sidebar, like “isn't it cute what happens around these missions” actually published the story based on that two page mimeo handout. Because somebody had to have done it. Possibly at the Pasadena Star News, which is one place we're looking. Possibly even in the New York Times.

I haven't looked. I haven't had time to look. The point is that there were other reporters, both well-known and no-one-will-ever-hear-of-them reporters... a thousand people covering those missions in those days. Somebody had to have kept, just as an historical anachronism, a copy of that memo.


http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/richa ... _2_en.html

I've heard him tell that story but I've not heard of any confirmation.

[BrandonD]

Speaking of parallax, this may be of interest to some of you:

http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

[Nordic]

Heard a joke today, that they did indeed hire Kubrick to fake the moon landings, but he was such a perfectionist that he insisted they be filmed on the moon anyway.

[SonicG]

Meant to post this earlier...I don't have time to dig up the whole story, but the filmmaker of that hoax interview, T. Patrick Murray, was once involved with the "I did crack with Obama and sucked his dick" conman Larry Sinclair. It was well after the main brouhaha with Sinclair, and he was going to make a documentary about Sinclair but things went south rapidly- two shysters don't mix well.

shit the site is still there! (warning loud music upon loading)
http://webhdtv.wix.com/obamasinclair

[NaturalMystik]

Just listened to the C2C show from a couple nights ago where they discussed the new "kubrick" footage along with some of the finer points from "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon".

Coast To Coast AM 12-11-2015 Kubrick and Faked Moon Footage

Date: Friday - December 11, 2015
Host: Jimmy Church
Guests: Jay Weidner, Bart Sibrel

Filling in for George, Jimmy Church (email) was joined for all four hours by author and hermetic scholar, Jay Weidner, for a discussion on the release of an alleged interview from March 1999 with filmmaker Stanley Kubrick in which he admits to faking the Apollo 11 moon landing footage. Titled Shooting Stanley Kubrick, the film purports to have been shot in secret by someone named T. Patrick Murray, who is shown signing an 88-page NDA to keep the contents of the interview under wraps for 15 years before speaking with the famous director about his involvement in faking the moon footage. Weidner's work, which supports this premise, is prominently referenced during the interview.

"It's an attempt, in a backhanded way, to discredit my work, to make all the people that are working on this kind of thing look like fools," Weidner said, noting how the interview footage is obviously fraudulent. He expressed confusion over why someone would release this video and simultaneously put out other footage demonstrating it was a hoax, especially after going through the trouble of finding a Kubrick look-alike and training him to speak like the deceased director. Weidner suggested the interview may be part of a disinformation campaign to chip away at the idea that Kubrick directed the moon landing. It may have hit a nerve with the body politic, he added.

Weidner wondered if the interview could be part of a publicity campaign for upcoming movie Moonwalkers, a comedy about staging the moon landing. He called for T. Patrick Murray (or whomever is really behind the video) to cease with the bogus interviews, which only serve to undermine legitimate research into the truth about the hoaxed Apollo moon footage. Weidner also revealed how Kubrick left hints in his films about his role in faking the moon landing. It is especially obvious in The Shining, he said. "Every time that Kubrick deviates from the Stephen King novel, he's relaying information... about what happened to him while he was shooting the Apollo 11 footage," Weidner explained.

News segment guest, Bart Sibrel, director of A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon, also commented on the new Kubrick interview. Sibrel briefly outlined why he believes the interview is bogus, as well as why he believes the moon landings were faked. According to Sibrel, the Apollo crew never left Earth orbit, and Kubrick was brought in to help create the counterfeit moon landing footage.

Website(s):
jayweidner.com
sacredmysteries.com
Video(s):
The Last Avatar
Book(s):
The Mysteries of the Great Cross of Hendaye

[guruilla]

He expressed confusion over why someone would release this video and simultaneously put out other footage demonstrating it was a hoax, especially after going through the trouble of finding a Kubrick look-alike and training him to speak like the deceased director.

Didn't seem like anyone had been trained to me, the actor sounded not at all like SK

Anyone listen to the audio clip I posted? Not to be a nag but I'd like to know if I'm the only one who hears the resemblance. If the Moon-hoax meme, true or false, was being seeded back then, then DAF may well have been part of it.

I remember I had a toy version of that Moon buggy as a kid.

[guruilla]

Does anyone know of the exact time (pre-Internet) that the amazement of the feat of landing humanity on the moon became speculated to be a hoax? If so, who was it and what was their background before not believing the "official" story.

For what it's worth—not much?—Richard Hoagland says that the "moon hoax" was started by NASA itself, or someone working with someone in NASA, right from the beginning—and he was there to see it :.

Hoagland runs in the usual circles:

I have been unable to ascertain whether [Edgar] Mitchell belonged to the mysterious Mars Anomalies Research Society along with Strieber, John Gliedman, and Richard Hoagland, and where Strieber claims he was first triggered (by an image of the face on Mars) to re-access his “buried memories.” But Mitchell is “old friends” with Whitley Strieber and appeared on “Dreamland” in 2008 to discuss the quantum mind (i.e., the overview effect) and the Roswell crash. In 2012, he publically endorsed Strieber’s Solving the Communion Enigma—along with Graham Hancock, the author of The Mars Mystery, also quoted in the afore-cited Ottawa Citizen article. Many faces, one agenda?
....
In “Aliens, Predictions & the Secret School: Decoding the Work of Whitley Strieber,” Louis Proud writes: “In Breakthrough, Strieber mentions having been acquainted with Richard C. Hoagland, whom he met through Gliedman in 1984, three years before the publication of Communion. Hoagland, of course, was involved in a group known as the Mars Anomalies Research Society (MARS), and has written several books claiming that ancient civilizations once existed on the Moon, Mars and on some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Hoagland believes that evidence of these civilizations, such as the ‘Face on Mars’, have been kept secret by NASA and the US government. Strieber donated money to Hoagland’s group, and soon became a member. The aim of the group was to conduct further research on the ‘Face on Mars’ photograph—which they succeeded in doing. Among those involved in the group were Dr. David C. Webb, a former member of Reagan’s National Commission on Space, astronaut and planetologist Dr. Brian O’Leary, physicist John Brandenburg, and an imagining specialist named Dr. Mark Carlotta, who, according to Strieber, was a contractor for an intelligence agency.”
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles ... y-strieber

And it seems Jay Weidner was getting early promotion (long before his Kubrick-worship project), from our man in San Antonio:

Whitley talks about the Day After Tomorrow and how, despite what most scientists are saying, the fossil record shows that extreme weather changes have happened in hours in the past and lasted for millennia. Then Jay Weidener on the mysteries of the Great Cross of Hendaye and the equally mysterious Fulcanelli, a Master of the Key-like man who revealed the cross's hidden code.
http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland ... z3uVVWuEJW

[BrandonD]

Heard a joke today, that they did indeed hire Kubrick to fake the moon landings, but he was such a perfectionist that he insisted they be filmed on the moon anyway.

Ha! That is great

[tapitsbo]

Too bad van der Reijden didn't include Strieber or Weidner in this map that shows some of Hoagland's ties - once again we're back to the nexus of SRI, etc that Dream's End zeroed in on.

[82_28]

There seems to be a definite issue at work here however. Why so many ascribed to the notion either way? Faked or real. . .

[tapitsbo]

Whatever the "issue" it seems co-ordinated (like so much else) by a vanishingly small number of initiates, which always makes me scratch my head...

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Anyone listen to the audio clip I posted? Not to be a nag but I'd like to know if I'm the only one who hears the resemblance. If the Moon-hoax meme, true or false, was being seeded back then, then DAF may well have been part of it.

I listened to it. Thanks for posting it. I definitely hear a resemblance, but I can't say for sure it's Kubrick. It may have been intended to sound like him, though. Certainly closer than the guy in that video!

It seems to me that Hoagland has to prop up the official moon-landing story, otherwise his whole 'Enterprise Mission' would be worthless (which it already is, kind of). The disdain with which he quickly dismisses the hoax idea in Dark Mission is telling.

[guruilla]

Thanks. I think one can really tell when a voice does not match (as in the fake Kubrick video), but there are plenty of voices that sound really, sometimes eerily similar and aren't the same. In this case the odds of a Kubrick sound-alike doing the voiceover for that sequence, and then being falsely-credited as Bill Hutchinson do seem to stretch credibility a bit as "coincidence." Voice identification software would be handy. Call the FBI?