Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

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Postby brekin » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:27 pm

Posted this mistakenly in the Data Dump, I don't know why.

Was reading last night about prisoner/internment/concentration camps in Vichy France during WWII. Nothing changes. The Vichy government would fight with their masters in the Nazi government about how many Jews they would accept, how many they could deport to Germany, Poland, etc. This was pre-Final Solution. I was amazed at the extent of legal steps Vichy France took to out-Nazi the Nazis with French and migrant Jews. The Nazi thinking at the time was to get all Jews out of Germany (after confiscating all their property of course) but it became such a logistical and frequent international pr nightmare that when the Allied governments would complain about the treatment and conditions of Jews in camps and ghettos, the Axis powers would say ok we'll give the Jews to you (these even were orphaned Jewish children detained in transit camps) and of course, England, America, etc. all balked, quotas, paperwork, blah blah (if not in talk but in deed).

The Nazis after a time discovered that no one really wanted to take the now stateless Jews, and so realized that if they implemented the Final Solution, the extinction of a whole people could go through unimpeded, and with them most likely to become victors it could all be blown away in the fog of war. And, of course, as time went on and conditions in the camps deteriorated, they realized releasing large numbers of Jews that they had been persecuting to other countries would create a dissident army anyways.

Seeing something similar with the stateless Syrian and other migrants is heart wrenching. They are basically made stateless by the War on Terror, and now country after country is basically saying again, "we don't want them, you take them." The sad fate of many Jews were spent in repeatedly trying to get papers to emigrate or get deported to other countries. Before the concentration camps, and even in the transit camps on the way there, many Jews and their families there and abroad were trying to gain admission into a friendly country. Just fucking sad that many are in the stateless position of having to spend their lives gaining acceptance into a country that really doesn't want them. God help them if Europe goes to war with ISIS.

Ironically, the big variation on the theme is that many now are risking their lives to get into Germany.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby semper occultus » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:33 pm



...did you have this vid specifically in mind wombat or was it a more abstract rumination about the ticking timebombs embodying the next leg of the sub-prime crisis as it jumps the species barrier into the human-capital market...

...incidentally most of the public revenues being expended ....the funding of which led to reports of an EU wide petrol tax...goes into private / corporate profits...including apparently billions that could be required on dental treatment...

The Growth of Refugee Inc.

The annual report in 2013 from a multibillion-dollar London private-equity firm that counts a French pastry baker and a Dutch shoemaker among its holdings touted a new opportunity with “promising organic and acquisitive growth potential.”

That investment was the management of refugee camps.

“The margins are very low,” said Willy Koch, the retired founder of the Swiss company, ORS Service AG, which runs a camp in Austria that overflowed this summer with migrants who crossed from the Balkans and Hungary. “One of the keys is, certainly, volume.”


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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:52 am

When I first heard this I pictured one of the volunteer workers in a chaotic place such as the Calais camp, I was surprised to find that it appears to be a fairly comfortable looking and small scale 'home' (ie, not a large detention centre either)
It also involves one of the unaccompanied children who tend to be regarded more as victims than other refugees.

Refugee centre worker stabbed to death in Sweden

My motivation to post this was in response again to those who say there is no danger, where lorry drivers should stop amongst mobs of youths and offer lifts
Also, note that this is not an open-ended 'public panic' sort of piece that can be exploited as such. The incident is of a different nature.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:00 am

One can understand the confused feelings of the refugees as well. We have no idea what they were told, if anything, about what would happen to them upon arrival. Worst of all, I'm sure, is that they've had to run to the very countries responsible for the carnage and destruction of their own. Who wouldn't expect exactly what's happening. They know it's not just the governments or corporations acting against the will of their people, because they've seen and read the attitudes of people in the west. It is what it is and it's not going to change as long as the dominant political systems are in place.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby American Dream » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:23 pm

Angry Nazis and Anti-Fascists Will Face Off in Dover on Saturday

You can get the gist of the anti-refugee event by reading the flyers circulated for it on Facebook, many of which look and read like a sort of fan-fic lovechild of Lord of the Rings and Mein Kampf . One, circulated by the Berkshire Infidels, describes refugees in Calais fleeing war and persecution as "the dregs of humanity" and talks about "African and Islamic fakeugees, criminals and terrorist [sic]". It then suggests that refugees are an "army of Orcs [...] ready to invade our shores given the chance".

Oh no! Not Orcs!

Another flyer says, "If blood must be spilled, so be it, we will not stand by and allow our homeland to be turned into a left wing sewer of third world mongrels!"

As "Janet Quadrant" (unsurprisingly, not her real name), a spokesperson for the AFN told me, "To put it bluntly, there's no point of discussion away from explicit racism."

The rhetoric of the far-right street movement, then, has become more markedly extreme compared to when the EDL were making at least some effort to uphold a non-racist pretence.


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Anti-fascists at a previous demonstration in Dover

This demonstration also looks set to be bigger than previous efforts in Dover. "What [the far-right] saw as a success last time will encourage people that didn't make it to make sure they're at this one," the anti-fascist from London told me.

The demo in September saw flags with the SS Totenkopf and the Mein Kampf-inspired "14 words" fluttering in the wind, and this time the numbers will be swelled with even more Hitler-adherents. "A few neo-Nazi groups – National Action and National Rebirth of Poland – were banned from attending last time," said the London anti-fascist. "The former because of fallings out with the National Front, the latter because they are immigrants themselves – and those bans have been lifted for this one."

But it's not all plain sailing in Nazi-paradise. Islamophobic English "patriots" who whine about Muslamic ray-guns are likely to clash with neo-Nazis who spend their time fretting about the international Jewish conspiracy and the demise of the white race. "It also looks like more EDL groups are going to be there, which means there are going to be outright neo-Nazis on a protest with some mixed-race people, or people who have mixed-race partners," said the London anti-fascist. "We're expecting around 300 far-right and for them to be fighting among themselves."


http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/nazis-an ... turday-142



American Dream » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:44 am wrote:On January 30th, hundreds of nationalists, racists and out-and-out Neo-Nazis will descend on the port of Dover to protest against refugees. Since the collapse of the EDL, dozens of splinter groups have been active across the country trying to fill the vacuum left behind. Many have moved further to the right, towards an overtly pro-fascist and white supremacist politics, some carrying out so-called “lone wolf” attacks against mosques. Whilst many thousands of people have given aid and solidarity to those fleeing war in Syria, the Middle-East and North Africa, these far-right gangs want to build an extreme right street movement to oppose them. Now, they are calling a “unity demonstration” in Dover, against migrants and the current border regime, and against the European Union, invoking slogans such as “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children” coined by convicted white supremacist terrorist David Lane.

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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby backtoiam » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:25 pm

Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center through back door
Posted on January 26, 2016 by Sunfire

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A police patrol of 10 officers was forced to flee a refugee center in Sweden after being surrounded by a mob of violent migrants. Law enforcement officials had arrived to relocate a 10-year-old boy after reports of his repeated rape at the facility.

One of the officers described what had happened in a police report obtained by the Vestmanlands Läns Tidning newspaper.

© Stephen Lam“Even more people appeared behind us. I was mentally prepared to fight for my life. We were 10 police officers in a narrow corridor. And I hear someone yell that there is an emergency exit,” the officer said.

The incident took place in the Signalisten asylum in Västerås last Wednesday but police didn’t provide any information to the press until Monday this week.

The authorities decided to relocate some of the refugees from the Signalisten asylum after reports on Saturday that the boy was being subjected to repeated rape there. However, the asylum staff were unable to complete the transfer by themselves as they were met by hostile attitude from the refugees, so they called the police.

With Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven stating on Monday that more staff are needed among the police dealing with an influx of asylum seekers, it’s clear that the authorities and the police are struggling to keep things under control.

“Many of the problems we are now facing help to prove the point that Swedish police have long been underfunded and understaffed,” Police Union Director Lena Nitz, told TT news agency.

Just this Monday a young woman, a refugee center worker in Mölndal, was stabbed to death when an argument broke out at the center for underage unaccompanied refugees. Alexandra Mezher, 22, was taken to hospital with severe injuries and later died.

She was stabbed by a 15-year-old boy who was later arrested on suspicion of murder. Mezher’s thesis was titled ‘The Road to Non-Criminal – A Lifestyle Change’. She believed that creating a trustful relationship with people was key for a social worker. The center where she worked housed 10 youths aged between 14 and 17.

Police have warned citizens that train stations are overrun by gangs of refugee boys who assault and grope women, and pickpocket and harass passengers.

A number of girls in Stockholm have reported sexual assault in public swimming pools, again involving asylum seekers.

https://www.rt.com/news/330180-police-v ... es-sweden/
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby backtoiam » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:28 pm

One can understand the confused feelings of the refugees as well. We have no idea what they were told, if anything, about what would happen to them upon arrival.


I saw a video yesterday interviewing soon to be migrants. If I find it again i'll post it. Interview with a family that was sending their 14 year old boy ahead first so that he could get established and then bring the family over. He was packing his belongings for the trip in the vid. I think they were Iraqi but can't remember for sure.

The migrants said they were under the impression that the Germans would give them free houses and money when they got to Germany.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby backtoiam » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:49 pm

VIDEO: Muslim Migrant Who BEAT, SPAT ON Mother with Children in Sweden is Being Deported to …… Denmark
Posted on January 26, 2016 by Pamela Geller

A couple of days ago, I ran video of a Muslim migrant in Sweden who beat and spit on a mother with her children. The video caused such an uproar, the now “Most Hated Man in Sweden” is being deported — to Denmark.

What is Denmark going to do with him? Why isn’t he being sent back to Tunisia?


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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Nordic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:31 am

I think a grand bait-and-switch has occurred.

And that this is the opening couple of paragraphs of what will turn out to be a Gladio-like strategy.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:34 am

backtoiam » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:28 am wrote:
One can understand the confused feelings of the refugees as well. We have no idea what they were told, if anything, about what would happen to them upon arrival.


I saw a video yesterday interviewing soon to be migrants. If I find it again i'll post it. Interview with a family that was sending their 14 year old boy ahead first so that he could get established and then bring the family over. He was packing his belongings for the trip in the vid. I think they were Iraqi but can't remember for sure.

The migrants said they were under the impression that the Germans would give them free houses and money when they got to Germany.


This has actually been the case for a while now and there has been an element of truth to it, so they're not mistaken, One could substitute the UK etc in there and it works fine for limited numbers, when the numbers become unwieldy the system starts to break down.

The reason I posted this is that it is not an example of unruly mobs producing a chaotic shortish lived incident, but something right at the heart of what is supposed to be the unshakeable centre (relatively speaking of course):

jakell » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:52 am wrote:When I first heard this I pictured one of the volunteer workers in a chaotic place such as the Calais camp, I was surprised to find that it appears to be a fairly comfortable looking and small scale 'home' (ie, not a large detention centre either)
It also involves one of the unaccompanied children who tend to be regarded more as victims than other refugees.

Refugee centre worker stabbed to death in Sweden

My motivation to post this was in response again to those who say there is no danger, where lorry drivers should stop amongst mobs of youths and offer lifts
Also, note that this is not an open-ended 'public panic' sort of piece that can be exploited as such. The incident is of a different nature.


I suppose we could posit that anyone who commits a misdemeanour is 'confused', but I don't see the point.
Strange how the title of it has been altered since I posted it.

More from the article about that unshakeable centre:

“These kinds of calls are becoming more and more common. We’re dealing with more incidents like these since the arrival of so many more refugees from abroad,” said police spokesman Thomas Fuxborg.

The attack came as the national police commissioner, Dan Eliasson, requested 4,100 additional officers and support staff to help fight terrorism, carry out migrant deportations and police asylum facilities.

“We are forced to respond to many disturbances in asylum reception centres. In some places, this takes significant police resources. This was not the case six months ago and it means that we won’t be able to respond as effectively in other areas,” Eliasson told TT.

According to the Swedish Migration Agency, the number of threats and violent incidents at asylum facilities more than doubled from 2014 to 2015 as Sweden witnessed a record number of migrant arrivals.

In 2014, there were 148 incidents and in 2015 that number more than doubled to 322.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:55 am

Many men, unfortunately, from the Middle East are homophobic, religiously conservative and Mysogynistic. We can be cute and say, "so are western men!", but really no. They are not on the same level. It's undeniable, frankly. We can be cute and say that all people are basically the same. Again, no. There may not be superiority of people but there is superiority of action. I get it, the natural impulse is to blame ourselves for their civil war* and take pity on defenseless refugees. Stereotypes lead to tyranny. Still, the naivety of understanding these points by western liberals is something that has to be overcome. Our assuming benevolence on human nature and openness to others cannot be unconditional! We liberals will be and we liberals have been taken advantage of many times before.

* I say this with great emphasis because the delusion of ISIL created by the United States is great. No matter all the money and arms, if the U.S. Sent their way (which is highly fucking debatable and often contradictory), none of it would be enabled without the population. Most of whom are local and all of whom are of the same religious or regional background.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:18 am

Nordic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:31 am wrote:I think a grand bait-and-switch has occurred.

And that this is the opening couple of paragraphs of what will turn out to be a Gladio-like strategy.


A poster insinuated the same after the Paris attacks. This insinuates that this is all originating from the west. People from the East are capable of evil too. I hate to break it to you.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby backtoiam » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:25 am

Nordic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:31 am wrote:I think a grand bait-and-switch has occurred.

And that this is the opening couple of paragraphs of what will turn out to be a Gladio-like strategy.


I fully expect some agents to get in the mix and cause trouble if they are not already. I suspect that has been in the planning all along.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:43 am

Occult Means Hidden » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:18 am wrote:
Nordic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:31 am wrote:I think a grand bait-and-switch has occurred.

And that this is the opening couple of paragraphs of what will turn out to be a Gladio-like strategy.


A poster insinuated the same after the Paris attacks. This insinuates that this is all originating from the west. People from the East are capable of evil too. I hate to break it to you.


Or that there is no 'it' (East or West) and as you suggested in the post previous to this, human nature can explain a lot of it.

I'm a very careful conspiracy theorist and always try to avoid the temptation to evoke ghosts in the machine to explain away events that are uncomfortable to the liberal mindset.
I'm often dismayed how others aren't similarly careful and have expressed it before under the heading of 'conspiracy theory as escapism/avoidance'. Complaints are uttered how the police and media try to initially hush up these things but once the cat is out of the bag though it seems other methods can be brought into play, and fantastical finessing could be one of them.
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Re: Real men respect women

Postby Sounder » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:05 am

There is an RT vid where Anissa Naouai interviews Iben Thranholm via the Saker blog that I cannot seem to link to, but that may be worth watching.

The upshot is that Iben Thranholm suggests that the males need to man up and protect women from other very disrespectful men.

A group of Russian-German men are said to have put an indiscriminate beat down on immigrants from the same camp that raped a Russian woman.

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