Masculinities of the far right

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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:52 am

Luther Blissett » 05 Feb 2016 07:23 wrote:Really seems to me as if these guys all take this seriously even if Roosh doesn't (and he does anyway). I've seen no indication that any of these guys intend on not showing up, not photographing women in order to cyberstalk them later, and not meeting like-minded "pick-up artists."


For sure.

And even if they're just saying stuff with no intent to follow thru... put yourself in a womens shoes.

(ohh cool i've always wanted to that.... Wow they're unbalanced and don't fit right. oops my knee hurts.)



How do you know this isn't a real threat. There is an intimidatory power there that is real whatever the person making the threat's "real" intentions.


Given the whining in this thread i think all white men should be killed.

I wanna see snuff films of their deaths. I want to be able to watch as they realise their white privilege can't protect them now. So close ups on their faces when they finally accept their fate. i don't want to see the blood or violence cos thats ickky. Just the defeat on their faces when they realise they aren't on top any more.

Harsh you say?

Relax its only satire.



BTW If you're offended by rapists, or easily triggered, don't click the link. Unless you want to read some offensive grossness. It is disturbing.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:18 am

jakell » 07 Feb 2016 00:26 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:13 pm wrote:
jakell » 06 Feb 2016 22:46 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:13 pm wrote:
Although adults living with their parental families isn't necessarily a bad thing.


It's pretty bad news for the parents though when their resident offspring are identified as such. This sort of stuff happens all too often in anti-fascist circles, a similar thing was recently done with Matt Parrot, as pasted on here, like dragging a person's parents into something is ok,


Really. In Australia its usually people on the right of politics that criticise lefties for still living with their parents. Tho I seem to remember the "living in your parents basement" thing was also a common insult from "masculine right wing" types, whether they were referring to "nerds", or lefties/liberals in the US. If antifa use it good on them. Its equality in action.


Kneejerk me-tooism is not necessarily a good thing if the original action is questionable, equal or not.

" He answered the door in a sweat-stained t-shirt at the door of his mother’s own private property yesterday."

So, they know it's his mother's private residence, but include pictures all the same

Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:23 pm wrote:
In some ways its a pity Hugh's gone cos once upon a time we would have chatted about how armoured, as in "muscular armouring" their thoracic region was and reflect on Wilhelm Reich's Mass Psychology of Fascism. I guess that's all old hat for you guys. Maybe I should get with times.


I was a little puzzled why AD's overzealous copypasta thread activity was tolerated for so long, in spite of many clear and varied criticisms.

I mused that one reason was that, in the eyes of some, he filled a Hugh-shaped hole


Because this is an anti fascist board, over time we developed structures of policies or whatever - so we don't ... well didn't ... censor people for posting their own threads if they don't derail other peoples.

Hugh could never get the hang of that.

If you don't want to read that stuff. Then don't.

If you don't want anyone reading it campaign to ban him.

Its a simple choice.

And are you seriously telling me that you could identify Roosh's Mum's place of residence from that photo of article faster than using any of the myriad other methods available right now to whoever wants to try?

Anyway considering the daily Mail, a conservative MSM org, not an antifa one was the publication that published those pphotos and actually did ID Roosh's mum's house laying it at the feet of antifa is disingenuous at the least.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:44 am

Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:18 pm wrote:
And are you seriously telling me that you could identify Roosh's Mum's place of residence from that photo of article faster than using any of the myriad other methods available right now to whoever wants to try?

Anyway considering the daily Mail, a conservative MSM org, not an antifa one was the publication that published those photos and actually did ID Roosh's mum's house laying it at the feet of antifa is disingenuous at the least.


It's not really about speed, it's about motivation and being directed towards something, but yes, going through similar channels to those who seem keen on outing Matt Parrott and peripherally his parents (et al), I would expect the information to be at hand if I talked to the right people, plus practical ideas about what should be done about them.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:20 pm

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Rapists Not Welcome in NYC
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Anti-Roosh V rally at Washington Square Park, which was supposed to be a meeting place for his people in NYC

New York City made it known tonight that rapists aren’t welcome here. The much anticipated “International Meetup Day” for misogynist blogger Roosh V’s neo-masculinist group Return of Kings were met with protests around the world, including here in Manhattan.

A group of about 75 protesters gathered tonight in Washington Square Park and marched through the West Village and Chelsea, ending with a spirited one-hour protest outside the Dream Hotel, where the Return of Kings meetup was heard to have been taking place.

Both women and men came out to show their opposition to violence and rape culture. The organizers of the rally were largely young women. Black Lives Matter group NYC Shut It Down and Cop Watch turned out too.

The night started with a powerful speak-out in which women shared personal stories with the crowd.

One woman spoke about being raped by her boyfriend when she was 15 years old and not getting support from her friends because they didn’t think your own boyfriend could rape you.

A college student spoke about a recent encounter in which she was out with friends and a man they did not know randomly sat down with them and stared at them. While her and her female friend’s reaction were to ignore the man, the male friend she was with casually chatted him up without a second thought. She recalled being struck at how she and her male friend reacted to that situation so differently, with she and her female friend feeling as though they had to be guarded while her male friend didn’t feel at all threatened by the strange man.

Another woman spoke about how power dynamics go far beyond rape and beyond gender as well. She shared a story about being in a relationship with another woman who would oftentimes convince her to do things she she didn’t want to do. At the time she never realized how problematic that was. Her lesson resonated with many in the crowd: some of us may be engaging in coercive behavior without even realizing it.

After the speak-out, protesters took to the streets, marching up 6th Avenue and chanting “No means no / no means no / rape culture has got to go” and other chants. The group arrived at the Dream Hotel in Chelsea shortly after 9:00pm, completely surrounding the hotel’s entrance and filling up the sidewalk.

The hotel staff surrounded on all sides, they tried to get the protesters to leave, but protesters refused, their chants getting louder and more militant. When a woman from the hotel staff came outside and yelled that they were trying to run a business, a protester spoke up and told her that their business was housing rapists and that as a rape victim he could not in good conscience leave until they kicked the rapists out. From there the crowd’s chants turned to demands to kick the rapists out of the hotel and not provide a sanctuary for them to meet.

At that point the NYPD attempted to give a dispersal order, so the crowd responded by setting up a moving picket line so that they could stay. Despite the peacefulness of the protest, one arrest was made.

After about an hour of lively picketing and chanting, the protesters left the hotel, with promises of “We’ll be back” if Dream decides to ever host such guests again. From there, the crowd left to meet up and strategize on where to go from here. Stay tuned for future actions.


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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Karmamatterz » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:38 pm

Did not read the Roosh thing and am not a supporter of him. But have read enough to know it was about irony and satire. Roosh is an idiot and his ploy at fame to sell books or pickup tips smacks of stupidity.

Is the SCUM thing not satire?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto
The Society for Cutting Up Men

Hmmm...oh the irony and cognitive dissonance. Where is the outrage for SCUM?

Rape is bad, so is murder etc... Any rational human would realize the author of the SCUM manifesto was being satirical....until she tried to murder Warhol. And yes, I fully expect the irrational dissonance to come out in full force for my post. I challenge anyone to be rational and recognize the irony and hypocrisy behind all this rhetoric.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:21 pm

He is yet another far right loser who desperately wants to hold on to his privilege...

While Roosh indignantly insists he is no "rape advocate", in his books and blog posts, he encourages his followers to treat a woman saying "No" as little more than a temporary obstacle to sex. In a blog post entitled When No Means Yes, Roosh insists: "'No' when you try to take off her bra means... 'Try again in five minutes'," and that: "'No' when you try to take off her panties means... 'Don't give up now!'"

In a post titled How Many No's Does It Take To Enter A Vagina, Roosh insists it's "rare that you have sex with a girl who gives you no resistance before sex". As he sees it, "as long as the girl remains in your presence and makes no attempt to withdraw, leave or call the police, you're being the right kind of persistent... With one of my more recent seductions in Poland on a girl of accomplished beauty, I received over 50 no's from start to end".

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Daryush 'Roosh' Valizadeh, the controversial leader of Return of Kings

Even more chillingly, his writings are filled with deeply disturbing, self-styled "field reports" detailing his alleged sexual "conquests".

In one infamous passage in his book Bang Iceland, he describes how he "banged" one extremely drunk Icelandic woman, acknowledging that: "In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn't give her consent … but I can't say I cared or even hesitated. I won't rationalise my actions, but having sex is what I do. If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she's going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. When it comes to sex, one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing."

Roosh insists he is no rapist and it is certainly possible that none of the women he's been with consider themselves to have been violated. But his advice could be misinterpreted as a rape "how-to" guide, and that's a dangerous thing. There are a lot of young men in the world with surging hormones and not-as-yet-fully functional moral compasses; pick-up artists telling them "no" means "try harder" are the last thing they and the women in their lives need.

Indeed, one chilling recent survey of young men attending an American university found nearly a third of them admitted they would force an unwilling woman to have sex with them "if nobody would ever know and there wouldn't be any consequences". Even more disturbingly, most of those who said they would happily commit such a "consequence-free" rape didn't even understand that it was rape.

Roosh's insistence that sex for him almost always involved "resistance" from women, and his repeated claims that a woman's "No" almost never really means "No" – are things that make his pick-up philosophy truly dangerous.

"This is exactly what feminists want, to have men living in fear by allowing women to retroactively change their minds about all their sex encounters," writes Roosh. He may seem like a fringe character but his websites and videos reach more young men than you might expect, drawing considerably more traffic than many of the men's rights sites that have been much in the news in the past few years.

And, unfortunately, many of the most egregious notions of pick-up artists such as Roosh have spread far beyond the confines of what's called "the manosphere" online. As the proprietor of a blog that tracks online misogyny, I regularly hear from concerned readers whose boyfriends, brothers or sons have "taken the red pill", as online misogynists like to say, and taken some of the noxious notions of people such as Roosh to heart.

More heartening are the notes I get from former followers of Roosh and his comrades who've since come to realise that the philosophy they had adopted was poisonous not only for the women in their life but for them as well. That's why it's important to stand up to people like Roosh and let young men know there are healthy alternatives to his hateful ideology.


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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:55 pm

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Should Academics Fear the Manosphere?

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1/27/16


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Driving my son to preschool last week, I found myself stuck in traffic behind a beat-up Toyota Camry with taped-over taillights and a charmingly askew bumper sticker that read “NO FAT CHICKS—CAR WILL SCRAPE.” Briefly I imagined him pulling into the preschool lot in front of me, so I could tell him that the problem wasn’t fat chicks but his Reagan-era suspension. But he turned off in another direction, and as his car disappeared I actually felt a little grateful. There’s something to be said for people who wear their obnoxiousness on the bumpers of their cars.

A few articles have been making the internet rounds recently about horrifying discoveries that seemingly normal men were actually part of the “manosphere,” a series of loosely connected vitriolic websites targeting (mostly white, straight, cis) men who inexplicably feel disenfranchised. Last week’s cover story on The Cut, “From Pickup Artist to Pariah,” tells the story of how the town of Asheville, North Carolina, turned against local coffee shop owner Jared Rutledge when they discovered “Holistic Game,” a website on which Rutledge wrote things like, “Intersectional feminist? How about I intersect my DICK with your PUSSY” and, “There are few things that give me more sadistic pleasure than witnessing the ever-increasing neuroses of a woman hitting the wall.”

A similar scandal recently rocked academia as people became aware of the months-old online writings of Allen J. Frantzen, a retired professor of Medieval Studies. Frantzen’s ire seems to revolve around what he feels is an atmosphere of “compulsory feminism” in academia. He writes about a “feminist fog,” or “femfog” for short, “the sour mix of victimization and privilege that makes up modern feminism and that feminists use to intimidate and exploit men.”

I refer to men who are shrouded in this fog as FUMs, fogged up men; other terms come to mind. They may might not be feminists but as they wander through the mist of politics and polemic about women, they feel like they should be feminists. They think feminism is good for everybody and they want to be nice to women. Life in femfog is the price a man pays for women’s acceptance and approval. These are goals many straight men desire, even crave, because men want to have sex and they know that adored women are more likely to grant sexual favors. I suggest below that you might have a better sex life out of the femfog than in it.


Medievalists have been understandably furious about his writings, pointing out that he makes their entire field look bad and perpetuates the misogynistic atmosphere of academia. There’s a feeling of betrayal: Frantzen is credited with “groundbreaking efforts to open up medieval scholarship to work that examined homosexuality” in his books Desire For Origins and Before the Closet. However, the medievalist community has generally reacted tin an admirable way: Calling him out, but then working to try and promote a more positive image for their field of an intersectional, inclusive Medieval Studies.

The scandal has taken up so much space in the academic community that it might seem (as some Asheville women have doubtless experienced) that one’s home base is concealing a nest of MRAs. But academia is not full of MRAs. It is, however, full of misogynists. And it’s important to remember that many of the most insidious, damaging misogynists aren’t those blogging about their hateful views on personal websites.

The reporting on both Rutledge and Frantzen’s stories, to my eye, bears a disturbing similarity to other narratives where someone is discovered to have a secret double life. The stories feel like “outings,” similar to the Grantland article that outed an inventor as trans and may have had something to do with her suicide. In this frame, “manosphere” views must be kept secret in order to save the person from public shock and horror; this is true, but the analogy carries the dangerous implication that this social reaction can be interpreted as unfair. MRAs are already convinced that they’re an oppressed minority. I suspect that Frantzen will react defensively to his “outing,” and it will be interesting to see how he rationalizes that response as part of his repulsive “grab your balls” philosophy of standing up for your “manhood” first.

Anger at the manosphere is undeniably justified; I have written critiques of its weak intellectual underpinnings, and in the process I’ve read enough MRA writing that I’ve come to know the sensation of reading while tasting bile in the back of my throat. Frantzen’s ideas are repugnant (although, unfortunately, mild in the large and disgusting context of the manosphere). But what Frantzen was denying women, he deserves nonetheless: an honest consideration of the way he’s been shaped by belief and experience.

Frantzen’s scholarship has been insightful and influential, and leaving aside his bizarre, incoherent remarks about the Titanic, he’s probably one of few manosphere members who is an intelligent critical thinker. And as a gay man, Frantzen represents a fascinating position within the manosphere. Much more so than in academia, gay people are a marginalized demographic in the manosphere, where the only accepted poles of sexuality and gendered expression are “heterosexual masculine male” and “heterosexual feminine female.” Anything that deviates even slightly from one of those poles—being gay, or trans, or a woman with short hair, or a stay-at-home dad—is a perversion. Roosh V, the romance novelist and sentient goatee behind the site Return of Kings, unironically used the phrase “sanctioning of anal marriage” to describe gay marriage becoming legal in the U.S. Frantzen links to Roosh’s sites in his blogroll, and I wonder how he feels about grouping himself with people whose views are so hostile to him.

But Frantzen is an anomaly. The truth is, there aren’t going to be that many professors who are part of the manosphere, because as a community it lacks any semblance of ideological coherence or intellectual credibility. It’s a jumble of websites self-referentially citing each other to prove their twisted view of society is right. The manosphere prides itself on being “antifragile,” a concept that essentially amounts to an impenetrability to reasoned critique by responding, “Haha, you just brought me more attention and viewers, I win!!” It’s a simmering stew of angry men covered by a thin scum of pseudoscience and empty Stoic platitudes. Not many great thinkers are going to be found there.

I’m not that worried that professors I interact with may secretly or quietly be part of the manosphere. If they were—and I doubt they would be—their beliefs, once revealed, are as tacky as bumper stickers, and exceptionally easy to call out. I am worried, however, about the people who make academia unfriendly to women in more permanently damaging ways. I’m worried about people like the Nobel laureate Tim Hunt, who jokingly advocated for gender-segregated laboratories at a lunch for women scientists, or world-renowned Berkeley astronomer Geoffrey Marcy, who calls his wife a “goddess” on his website and has been accused of sexually harassing graduate students for a decade.

I’m worried about the professor who uses a meeting with female graduate student that’s supposed to be about offering critique to ask her opinion on a birthday gift for his wife. The professor who introduced me to a visiting lecturer as the person who bakes cookies for coffee hour. The professor who calls criticism made by a male academic “sharp” and the same criticism by a female academic “shrill.” The man who explains a woman’s work to her. The reviewer who suggests that a paper with two female authors could use a male perspective and the conference organizer who thinks nothing of having multiple all-male panels. The hiring committee with an undeniable bias against female professors with children and the administrator who forces the tenure-track professor to consider her pregnancy a disability. Let’s not forget these toxic people, the ones who don’t do us the courtesy of plastering offensive bumper stickers on their cars. Some of them are almost certainly among those loudly denouncing Frantzen.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:24 pm

Is Roosh a "Masculinity of the far right," though? Dude would appear to have no politics at all -- he's just a vector for spreading STD's.

There was a female canvasser for the Democratic National Committee hassling people outside the Woodley Park Metro stop yesterday afternoon. She easily reeled me in after I made eye contact with her.

“Excuse me are you a registered Democrat?”

“No I’m an independent,” I said, “but I usually vote Democrat.”


There's tons of references to that stance on his site. If there was a "Far Right" coup tomorrow, Roosh would sterilized and sent to a prison camp; he is a degenerate hedonist.

Some interesting points from a recent Reason thinkpiece:

Though their demeanors are very different and their views opposed, Roosh reminds me of another Internet-famous man who was called that, Hugo Schwyzer. A former Pasadena Community College professor and male-feminist writer for places like Jezebel and The Atlantic, Hugo's sex scandals (sleeping with students among them) and public mental-health breakdown—playing out in real time on Twitter—were very much a big thing from my vantage point in the women's blogosphere. Not only was everyone on feminist Twitter talking about it, but Schwyzer was also covered in a lot of mainstream American and U.K. outlets. A hashtag, #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, sprung up around allegations that Schwyzer had fucked over feminists of color. The U.K. Telegraph suggested he might be "evil incarnate."

A few years later, in D.C., whenever I've mentioned Schwyzer to writer friends or colleagues, no one knows anything about him. That the whole dramatic Hugo saga had only really been relevant and salient to a small segment of the Internet, I was sure—but I hadn't realized how truly small that segment was. "Male feminist sex scandal" gets clicks, but it doesn't stick in people's minds. I bring it up because I think this Roosh situation is very similar. The story has been magnified out of all proportion because for a lot of traffic-thirsty web writers or editors, putting "pro-rape activists" in headlines or tweets is too good to pass up—even if it may not technically be true and props up a man and movement they claim to abhor. But while it's likely to have limited reach and flash-in-the-pan stickiness for most, the Roosh situation is still interesting as a case study of collective catharsis through call-out culture and moral panic as meme.


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The whole thing calls to mind two more male writers: Matt Taibbi, probably best known for his work at Rolling Stone, and Mark Ames, who now writes for outlets such as Pando. The pair worked together at an English-language newspaper in Russia in the late '90s and subsequently published a book about the experience called The Exile: Sex, Drugs, and Libel in the New Russia. Within this book, there are scenes of the mostly-male Exile editors sexually harassing their administrative staff—going so far as to tell secretaries they must sleep with them to keep their jobs—and Ames threatening to kill his pregnant Russian girlfriend if she doesn't get an abortion. The men never claimed it was satire or nonfiction. In explaining, Ames was prone to saying things like "Russian women, especially on the first date, expect you to rape them."

Despite this, Taibbi and Ames have continued to flourish as leftist writers, and as far as I know no feminist groups or Canadian mayors have tried to prevent either from visiting the country. Perhaps they're just lucky to have come of age in a different Internet era. Perhaps it helps that their politics and progressive credentials are otherwise right.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:39 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:24 pm wrote:Is Roosh a "Masculinity of the far right," though? Dude would appear to have no politics at all -- he's just a vector for spreading STD's.



This was my query when AD first pasted this guy. General Patton sort of put in in perspective with.. " He's part of the neo-masculinist alt-right, not the ethnonat alt-right.", which sort of seems to nail him.

I think one can go too far with the big inclusive thing, to the extent that the categories start to lose meaning. So I would say that far-right is more usefully used to describe those who are enamoured with racial nationalism, and this guy is alt-right, which could include apolitical types (of course, they may get politics thrust upon them, but that's how it goes).
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby General Patton » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:37 pm

Roosh is in with the NPI crowd, they've given him a pass in part because they think he can help them reach a younger audience. The fashy e-celeb crowd are politicos at heart not Prussian authoritarians. They let a lot slide for the sake of mass appeal.

But for every Goebbels there's got to be a Dietrich von Saucken. Waiting to see who fills the role of the Prussian officer in the new fascist alt-right, it sure as hell won't be anyone listed thus far. They're soft and squishy.

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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:51 pm

What kind of politically astute and/or moral person could support the far right in any of its forms?

The dust though is still settling for those involved in these very, very hateful and dumb sorts of tendencies:


http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/ ... rate-jews/

Pickup artist Roosh V edges ever closer to neo-Nazism with an attack on “cosmopolitan,” “degenerate” Jews

MAY 4, 2015

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Pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh continues his long march to literal Nazidom. Roosh’s far-right leanings have been obvious for some time, and he’s not exactly shy about his racism. But so far he’s managed to avoid one topic of great interest amongst those who think Hitler had some good ideas, if you think about it.

SPOILER ALERT: It starts with a “J.”

Well, Roosh has now rectified that failing with a post today titled “The Damaging Effects Of Jewish Intellectualism And Activism On Western Culture.” No, really.


It seems Roosh has been reading a book, and would like to share its, er, insights with the rest of us. The book, titled The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is the third in a trio of books on the wily Jew by Kevin MacDonald, a retired Evo Psych professor at California State University, Long Beach who’s been described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “the neo-Nazi movement’s favorite academic.”

That’s a pretty fair assessment of the guy, a white supremacist with intellectual pretensions whose fans include Holocaust denier David Irving and former KKK Grand Wizard/Neo-Nazi pinup David Duke. His writings appear on assorted “race realist” web sites and on his own Occidental Observer, a site devoted to “white identity and white interests.” They love him on Stormfront, the popular Neo-Nazi discussion forum.

And if you look on Amazon, you’ll see that people who bought MacDonald’s book also bought such lovely contributions to the historical literature as “The Track of the Jew Through the Ages,” by a prominent Nazi party “thinker,” and the anti-Semitic nonsense classic “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.”

Roosh’s post is made up largely of quotations from MacDonald’s book. Lots and lots of quotations. MacDonald’s argument, in essence, is that Jews have been pursuing a sneaky “group evolutionary strategy,” maintaining a tight-knit group identity while trying to undermine the group identities of white Europeans through the promotion of multiculturalism and other “cultural marxist” evils.

McDonald sees anti-Semitism as an understandable reaction to outsized Jewish influence on culture and politics, and has gone so far as to describe Nazism as a “group evolutionary strategy” that “mirrored Judaism” in many key ways.

In his post, Roosh reiterates McDonald’s main arguments about what both see as the baleful cultural influences of Jews on their “host cultures,” decrying their alleged “promotion of cosmopolitanism, individualism, and decadent lifestyles.”

A few of the “lessons” that Roosh draws from the book:

“Sigmund Freud, a Jew, pushed psychoanalysis to break down traditional pair bonding in gentiles.”

“A race to degeneracy hurts Jews less than gentiles because they still retain guiding ingroup values. Gentiles are left in the cultural winds that Jews help create.”

“Jews were originators of the “social justice” movement that we now have to deal with, but they lost control of it after Jews were no longer seen as minorities in need of social justice but as privileged whites who are part of the power structure.”


Roosh, more circumspect in his language than your typical Stormfronter, professes to admire the tenacity of the Jews even while decrying the “degeneracy” they have allegedly promoted.

What amazes me is how methodical, patient, and determined Jews are in promoting their group interests. Such efforts should be commended and modeled. Why isn’t there such a group of Americans that do the same for Christian interests?


As Roosh sees it, the so-called “Red Pill” movement has already started fighting evil Jewish influences.

A lot of red pill truth is concerned with dismantling myths that have been institutionalized by intellectual Jews over the past century. … The bulk of what I criticize about Western culture was in fact ushered in by intellectual Jewish movements.


Even after making what is in essence a neo-Nazi argument — and echoing old school Nazi rhetoric identifying Jews with “cosmopolitanism” and “degeneracy” — Roosh doesn’t see himself as a Nazi but rather as some sort of “truth bomber.”

Before opening this book, I wondered if it would turn me into a neo-Nazi, but instead it served as a historical truth bomb that has made me skeptical of the ideas, behavioral actions, and teachings of prominent Jews and where their true intentions and loyalties lie … I feel both outrage and admiration at the same time.


Roosh’s readers, for the most part, seem overjoyed that he is finally coming out as an opponent of the wily Jew. They’re a bit more blunt about their anti-Semitism than Roosh himself is. Here’s one, er, instructive exchange from the comments to Roosh’s post.

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Notice the upvotes.

One commenter was moved to contribute this not-so-little rant:

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But Roosh may find it a bit more difficult to win over white supremacists who aren’t already fans of his site. Why?

Well, here’s the irony: because many of them don’t see Roosh, of Armenian and Iranian descent, as white.

Indeed, several years ago, one regular on Stormfront site warned unwary Estonians that “a really nasty sex tourist from America … name[d] … Daryush Valizedeh, nickname – Roosh” was entering their country in hopes of seducing “beautiful, young white women of Baltic and Nordic descent … this person is not white which makes it even more problematic.”

Over on The Daily Stormer, another white supremacist site, one commenter snorted that Roosh “looks like a typical sand n*gger Iranian … who obsessed with with white women.” Another suggested that Roosh wasn’t even a “Real” Persian:

This butt ugly so-called Persian Roosh is pure khazar. Just look at his morphology; Receding forehead & chin, humongous ears, drooping face, heavy lidded eyes, prognathous median section of face, and let’s not forget the mentality. I’ve met many Real Persians, and he ain’t one of them.


Still another suggested that Roosh might even be a … you know.

Roosh might be styling himself as ‘Persian’ and maybe his parents were born in Iran. Jews are also born in Persia.

He looks, sounds and acts like a secular Jew.


Tough crowd, huh?

Does any of this matter? Men’s Rights activists often dismiss Roosh as a “marginal” character in the Manosphere, but nothing could be further from the truth. According to Alexa, his Return of Kings site gets a good deal more traffic than A Voice for Men, the most influential site in the Men’s Rights movement. Indeed, perhaps hoping to divert a little bit of that traffic to itself, AVFM recently ran a puffball interview with Roosh, whom the interviewer described as “a deep thinker, a powerful communicator … I got nothing but respect for the guy.”

Huh. If AVFMers want to convince the world that their site isn’t a hate site, they should probably apologize for running that interview.

It will be interesting — by which I mean both horrifying and cringeworthy — to see how Roosh’s budding anti-Semitism develops over the months and years to come.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:08 pm

The above article sort of undermines itself by being over eager to put Roosh in with the Nazis. It seems their criticisms of him alone are considered inadequate, and they need to do it by association.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:16 pm

The clown show never ends:


Roosh V denounced as degenerate “muzzie” by white supremacists he’s trying to woo

NOVEMBER 2, 2015

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Matt Forney and Roosh V: Looking for love in all the white places

Pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh continues his attempts to woo the white supremacist crowd.

This past weekend, he attended the annual conference of the white supremacist National Policy Institute with his longtime pal Matt Forney, the odious fat-shaming blogger who is himself a little big-boned, if one’s belly counts as a bone.


Roosh tried to butter up the white power crowd with a bit of flattery:

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Today's NPI conference was like the who's who of the alt right. Smart, well-informed group of men.


But his attendance at the conference didn’t go over well with everyone on the racist right. When Forney Tweeted the pic above of him and Roosh at the conference, some suggested that Roosh wasn’t white enough to be a white supremacist.


Continues at: http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/ ... ng-to-woo/
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:34 pm

So now we have several contradictions, presented by you AD, and which you have made no attempt to resolve into anything coherent, just presented them as is.

Maybe you are going to attempt this soon, so I'll keep watching.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:48 pm

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Don't hold your breath.

A bit perplexed by your indication that you'll "keep watching", as if there'll be some deviation to the same M.O. displayed in countless loops. Again. And again. And again.

Is there a bout of amnesia afflicting this board, or are you a glutton for punishment? Or a self-troll of some sort?

All rhetorical. As you were.
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