Masculinities of the far right

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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:48 am

Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:48 am wrote:.
Don't hold your breath.

A bit perplexed by your indication that you'll "keep watching", as if there'll be some deviation to the same M.O. displayed in countless loops. Again. And again. And again.

Is there a bout of amnesia afflicting this board, or are you a glutton for punishment? Or a self-troll of some sort?

All rhetorical. As you were.

Actually, I've noticed a bit of an alteration in AD's behaviour, the stuff he's pasting is now trimmed to digestible segments, some of it even seems in response to what others have said (I stress seems, it might just be wishful thinking).
Also seeing a bit more nuance and not the familiar black/white motif.

Possibly he's trying to communicate.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:56 am

Since there is still a "no platform" policy in effect (and related policies specifically against egregious racism and sexism, etc.), I will continue posting anti-fascist material.

It was never the point to get involved with people who might condone or support white supremacy, jew hating, rape culture. immigrant bashing, hate crimes and/or any other such loathsome shit.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:13 am

American Dream » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:56 am wrote:Since there is still a "no platform" policy in effect (and related policies specifically against egregious racism and sexism, etc.), I will continue on an anti-fascist track.

It was never the point to get involved with people who might condone or support white supremacy, jew hating, rape culture. immigrant bashing, hate crimes and/or any other such loathsome shit.


And quite rightly too, that furrow has been very broadly ploughed on here, but not very deeply (at least lately), so keep at it.

Going back to your convoluted articles relating to Roosh.. now that he's been simultaneously pushed into the Nazi camp and yet firmly shown how much he doesn't belong there, I'm reminded of a recent article you posted about how the realisation is dawning amongst antis that maybe there is some conflict within the far right that can be taken advantage of.

I took this a little step further and described how this is not as simple as it appears (although it is more of an appreciation of complexity than their usual fare); the far right are not as allergic to internal conflict as Lefties are and they can even feed on it to an extent. Of course, this didn't work for the BNP, but they were a little monolithic and old-school, and we do seem to be at least glancing in the direction of recent far right manifestations.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:03 am

American Dream » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:56 am wrote:Since there is still a "no platform" policy in effect (and related policies specifically against egregious racism and sexism, etc.), I will continue posting anti-fascist material.

It was never the point to get involved with people who might condone or support white supremacy, jew hating, rape culture. immigrant bashing, hate crimes and/or any other such loathsome shit.


This is hilarious - you appear to think you are at a meeting of some single-figure wacko Anarcho-Fruitcake AntifFa fascists, the People's Front of Judea , not a public message board that you do not a) own or b) Administer or c) Moderate.

There are sensible guidelines from the board owner, which are taken care of by Wombat. If you have a problem, take it up with him. Also - what BS - no one on this board supports stuff like that and you know it.. There is not a "no platform" policy in effect and you know it. "No platform" policies are themselves often a fascist approach aimed at shutting down people who you disagree with or in your case as you have previously stated several times, emotionally overwhelm you. There IS however an approach which is not to turn General Discussion into your own private low quality non-contextualised unread undiscussed "antifa" Data Dump. You have had two massive piles already moved to Data Dump this year.

Is there a "no-platform" against posting thought-stopping totalitarian Red Guard re-education BS like Spenser Sunshine? Or boatloads of Anton the Sorosian globalist neo-liberal garbage?
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Going back to the discussion, perhaps you can tell what "Masculinities of the far right" actually means? Is it different from "Masculinities of the far left"?
If so, how?
You post far more imagery of the far right than positive imagery of the far left.
Filling a public board with thousands of posts of Nazi imagery and Nazi activities and generating publicity about said sad Nazi nobodies (all the while while howling about fascists) lands with me as an astonishing example of shooting oneself in both feet, especially baffling from someone who professes to do Buddhist non-Attachment meditation.

Ironic process theory
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Ironic process theory or the white bear problem refers to the psychological process whereby deliberate attempts to suppress certain thoughts make them more likely to surface.[1][2] An example is how when someone is actively trying not to think of a white bear they may actually be more likely to imagine one.

"Try to pose for yourself this task: not to think of a polar bear, and you will see that the cursed thing will come to mind every minute."
— Fyodor Dostoevsky, Winter Notes on Summer Impressions, 1863[3]

The phenomenon was identified through thought suppression studies in experimental psychology. Social psychologist Daniel Wegner first studied ironic process theory in a laboratory setting in 1987. Ironic mental processes have been shown in a variety of situations, where they are usually created or worsened by stress. In extreme cases, ironic mental processes result in intrusive thoughts about doing something immoral or out of character, which can be troubling to the individual. These findings have since guided clinical practice. For example, they show why it would be unproductive to try to suppress anxiety-producing or depressing thoughts.[4]
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:11 am

Going back to the discussion, perhaps you can tell what "Masculinities of the far right" actually means? Is it different from "Masculinities of the far left"?
If so, how?


Yes, inquiring minds want to know....

I've been very interested in posting in this thread and Slomo's "It's a Man's World" but am reluctant because the furious copy pasta to falsely associate masculinity with gross generalizations about Nazis, fascism, extreme far right, misogyny etc... After having had some time to read most of Slomo's thread I understand why he hasn't returned and his frustration with trying to have a rational discussion.

It would be nice to see some old fashioned rational exchanges that don't use extremely broad generalities to label those with opposing views as:

Nazis
Racists
Far right losers
Mental midgets
Misogyonists/sexists
Haters
Rapists
Etc.... You get the hint.

It's obvious this is more than an anti-fascists board. It would also be helpful for some to realize fascism comes in many forms. The Left and the Right are guilty of mass murder, genocide and endless atrocities. Sticking to ideologies loosely associated with left and right brings little room for rational thought and mostly emotional outbursts. My sarcasm comes off like that out of frustration from seeing the board continue to slide downhill away from common sense and rational dialogue. And for what it's worth I've been off and on, (more off in recent times) hanging around the joint since 2006.

I supposed I could have started a new thread, but kept my comment here because this thread like Slomo's on Man's World are interesting to me from a personal perspective.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:51 pm

Talking of Roosh, isn't it about time you started forming a coherent set of ideas relating to him? What you have posted up till now is having the opposite effect:

jakell » Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:13 pm wrote:
Going back to your convoluted articles relating to Roosh.. now that he's been simultaneously pushed into the Nazi camp and yet firmly shown how much he doesn't belong there, I'm reminded of a recent article you posted about how the realisation is dawning amongst antis that maybe there is some conflict within the far right that can be taken advantage of.

I took this a little step further and described how this is not as simple as it appears (although it is more of an appreciation of complexity than their usual fare); the far right are not as allergic to internal conflict as Lefties are and they can even feed on it to an extent. Of course, this didn't work for the BNP, but they were a little monolithic and old-school, and we do seem to be at least glancing in the direction of recent far right manifestations.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:14 am

Coherent set of ideas regarding Roosh.

1. he's an immature fuckwit.

2. he's a control freak/power tripper.

3. his "neomasculinity" is not actually masculine. To paraphrase Mathias Cormann (or whatever his name is): he iz a masculinist girly man.

I've read enough of his stuff recently to come to those conclusions.

Basically - what a wanker.

But i think we've wasted enough time on him.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:19 am

Nobody on the far right is good as far as women are concerned, near as I can tell.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:40 am

Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:14 am wrote:Coherent set of ideas regarding Roosh.

1. he's an immature fuckwit.

2. he's a control freak/power tripper.

3. his "neomasculinity" is not actually masculine. To paraphrase Mathias Cormann (or whatever his name is): he iz a masculinist girly man.

I've read enough of his stuff recently to come to those conclusions.

Basically - what a wanker.

But i think we've wasted enough time on him.


Exactly. It seems the attempt to somehow show him as a component of the far-right is a rather futile exercise, but then AD's articles have already shown this too. He's an independent idiot.

I'm really using the filter of what may be considered practical anti-fascism here, ie stripping away any extraneous and questionable material.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:35 am

His political views are right wing "libertarian". In the same way that Ayn Rand's are and they both like rape fantasies. He's probably no john galt tho.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:07 pm

TW

http://transformativespaces.org/2016/02 ... g-to-town/

Heads Up Chicago: Fascism is Coming to Town

FEBRUARY 11, 2016 ~ KELLY HAYES

From the “neo-masculinist” fans of the Return of Kings website to the openly fascist, rape apologist Boyd Rice, purveyors of hatred and misogyny have apparently decided that Chicago is their kind of town. Undeterred by our famously bitter weather, but ultimately dissuaded by the threat of worldwide reprisal, a planned gathering of Men’s Rights Activists was recently cancelled in Chicago – as were gatherings in a total of 43 countries around the world. Now, another hateful presence is poised to make itself felt in our city, and this time, there’s money involved.

Boyd Rice, whose published views on sexual assault include the idea that “Rape is the act by which fear and pain are united in love” and that forcible sex acts are “the triumph of harmony through oppression,” has booked an upcoming show at a Chicago venue. The performance, currently scheduled for June 12, 2016, at The Empty Bottle, will allow fascist friendly attendees to enjoy Rice’s musical stylings for the low price of $12.50.

But what is the cost to our city of allowing such people to profit from hate in our communities?

Rice, who actually appeared in full Nazi-garb for an interview with white-Supremacist Tom Metzger, has rejected claims that he is a fascist, despite having publicly stated that there is an intellectual conspiracy behind criticisms of Mein Kampf. Rice also expressed, in his interview with Metzger, that he hoped his music would mobilize greater white pride in the United States.

While Rice has rejected attacks on his fascism, when confronted, claiming that his pro-fascist statements have been the stuff of pranks, his hateful words and actions speak for themselves. Like the much-despised MRA blogger Roosh V, Rice falls back on claims of satire while addressing criticism, and espouses hatred when interacting with audiences that embrace such language. And as Rice’s critics have long pointed out, Rice’s brand of industrial music (described in promotional materials as “post-punk inspired apocalyptic folk/industrial” – whatever the hell that means) is presented to its fans as “a celebration of fascist ideals,” rather than a mockery or interrogation of neo-nazi aesthetics, and has served as a vehicle for the popularization of racist ideas. Under such circumstances, one might be moved to ask if Rice’s intentions are even relevant to any consideration of his work.

Whether Rice’s promotion of fascism is employed merely for its shock-value (which seems decidedly unlikely, given all available evidence), out of genuine belief, or for sheer financial gain, the end result is the same: white supremacy is granted an artistic vehicle, and communities are forced to play host to commercialized rallies for neo-fascists.

Outrage over Rice’s politics has caused numerous venues to cancel previous events. Given Chicago’s overall distaste for brazen fascism, it seems very possible that public pressure could garner the same result here. At the very least, consumers and artists may want to steer clear of a venue that plays host to pro-rape nazi fans.

Chicago’s organizing community includes numerous anti-racist groups and acts of protest seem likely, should the show go on. A previous Boyd Rice show, here in Chicago, was interrupted by a smoke bomb, presumably wielded by an anti-fascist, so it seems likely that some community members are well aware of Rice’s politics, and stand ready to push back. But while the thought of confronting fascists may appeal to some, hate-driven profit is at stake here, and that profit should be denied.

So if you’re disturbed by the thought of Rice profiting from racism and misogyny in our town, contact the Empty Bottle and let them know what this artist is all about, and that fascism is not welcome in Chicago.

The Empty Bottle
Address: 1035 N Western Ave, Chicago, IL 60622
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American Dream » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:39 pm wrote:Excerpted from: http://www.whomakesthenazis.com/2010/10 ... -boyd.html

Friday, 29 October 2010

Just Say Non: Nazism, Narcissism and Boyd Rice


ImageThings start to take a more genuinely sinister turn when, as the next stage in the planned development of his psychopathy, he decides to stalk a waitress from a local restaurant. He follows her around to learn about her daily movements and then engineers a 'chance' meeting with her on her way home from work. This leads to a date after which, back at the woman's flat, he talks her into letting him tie her up for some S&M fun. Once she is bound he goes into the kitchen to fetch a carving knife then convinces the woman that he is going to cut her open. He then suddenly departs, leaving his victim terrified. Such violent misogyny would become a staple of Rice's life. In 1994's 'Revolt Against Penis Envy' (notice the acronym) he works himself up into a fever of hatred and contempt for women;
"At one time all was right with the world. It was lorded over by men who imposed their will by force. Women kept their mouths shut, underlings knew their place... In a once glorious past, woman was a creature without rights; a second class citizen... She was part cook, part whore, part servant and all child... Woman must be put in her place... These days the only way to restore balance between the sexes is by fear and pain... Rape is the act by which fear and pain are united in love... Now is the time to subjugate. Now is the time to dominate. Now is the time to rape. Let the RAPE commence. Go forth! Rise up! Rape, rape, rape!" [81-83]

Clearly this was written as a provocation and, according to the reasoning usually applied to Rice, can't be taken entirely seriously. But why not? If the ideas conform to his practice we can assume that for all that these opinions are expressed so as to 'provoke', they nevertheless also represent his thinking. In her book, Drugs are Nice, Lisa Crystal Carver (aka Lisa Suckdog) details the long-term mental and physical abuse she suffered as Rice's partner and the mother of their child, leading to a brutal attack which saw her badly injured and Rice imprisoned ("Boyd strangled me and threw me against walls and bashed my head against the futon frame, [finally he] released his hands from my neck and stood up, dazed, like a big, stupid oaf and smacked his lips with the satisfaction of having given in to impulse".
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:31 pm

Yup AD, it seems pretty clear that the Nazi lovers are complete loons and a menace. The example you pasta'd seems more psychopathic than misogynist. Obviously the guy is really f#cked up. They (Nazis) don't represent healthy masculinity. They won't ever get a foot hold in the u.S. Unless there is complete anarchy. At that point finding a loaf of bread will be a bigger concern. Doesn't it ever get you down always digging up all those pix of the meatheads? Seriously...it's a bit depressing.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:20 am

What are your thoughts on Boyd Rice?
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:15 am

American Dream » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:20 am wrote:What are your thoughts on Boyd Rice?


Well, here you are asking questions of folks, yet you steadfastly refuse to enter into dialogue concerning the material you post.

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.
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