Masculinities of the far right

[Sounder]

Tying into what I recently wrote on the 'What gender are you' thread.

If a natural role of men is to protect, then propaganda PR can achieve its goals by tying the notion of 'protecting' with the most odious exponents of the notion possible.

Rinse,lather and repeat, and never ever talk about the real hardcore racist, sexist and xenophobic enablers.

Those that seek to abolish all differences so as to produce their monochromatic world.

[Joe Hillshoist]

What are your thoughts on Boyd Rice?

Well, here you are asking questions of folks, yet you steadfastly refuse to enter into dialogue concerning the material you post.

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.

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I see what you did there.

[Karmamatterz]

Rinse,lather and repeat, and never ever talk about the real hardcore racist, sexist and xenophobic enablers.

How often do you drive (or ride) by billboards and never bother to look at them let a lone read them? How many times do you then read them and without a thought keep doing what you were doing? It's banner blindness. The same message without changing becomes nearly invisible if it's repeated monotone over and over to the same audience. My comment to AD was NOT to "never ever talk" about the Nazi meatheads, it was more or less that after exposing yourself to that imagery and material day after day it starts to have an impact on your psyche.

When one sees everything as a nail the only tool ever pulled from the toolbox is a hammer.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Rinse,lather and repeat, and never ever talk about the real hardcore racist, sexist and xenophobic enablers.





So I think that if anybody had the opportunity to slit Julia Gillard's throat, Nick would be one of the first ones to be there.

NICK CHAMPION: That's an appalling way to refer to any politician and Steve should moderate his language.

STEVE CIOBO: Oh okay, Nick, would you prefer if I said stab in the back?

Video at link above.

What was that about about the real hardcore racist, sexist and xenophobic enablers?

The Horrifying Scale of domestic Violence in Australia.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of death and injury in women under 45, with more than one woman murdered by her current or former partner every week.

In New South Wales, the domestic assault rate has increased 1.5% over the last five years, with 28,291 cases reported in 2013.

[Sounder]

In SLAD's thread on coerced migration, we see imperial power elements pit community against community with disgusting regularity. So It is reasonable to assert that these folk are racist to a greater and more effective degree than are the ignorant products of their racist conditioning.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39527

The suggestion is to merely to aim a bit higher up the causal chain.

[jakell]

What are your thoughts on Boyd Rice?

Well, here you are asking questions of folks, yet you steadfastly refuse to enter into dialogue concerning the material you post.

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.

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I see what you did there.

Didn't know about that smiley when until I came here. It appears you are calling me a wanker.

Are you? I'm not aware of any emnity between us.

[Joe Hillshoist]

You just accused someone of not engaging in dialogue after they specifically engaged in dialogue.

IMO you're behaving like a bit of a flog. Not all the time, but in this specific case.

FWIW my RL friends and will often refer to each other as wankers if we feel one of us is ... well being a wanker. Calling someone a flog or a wanker doesn't mean you hate them. It means you think they really do need to re examine what they've just said or done without the ... well in this case confirmation bias.

[Joe Hillshoist]

In SLAD's thread on coerced migration, we see imperial power elements pit community against community with disgusting regularity. So It is reasonable to assert that these folk are racist to a greater and more effective degree than are the ignorant products of their racist conditioning.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=39527

The suggestion is to merely to aim a bit higher up the causal chain.

Those videos and links in my post above are specific examples of leadership - ie political leaders (who are leaders by dint of being asked to give their views on national media) enabling sexist or patriarchal actual violence against women. In the time Australia had its first female Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, the language of violence about and toward her increased markedly. It came from the right in Australian politics, a right wing that increasingly lurched further toward the right as the Gillard government progressed thru its term.

While this constant stream of extremely violent rhetoric toward a woman in a leadership position escalated the rates of domestic violence and general violence against women and children increased in this country.

During the same period the same people on the right escalated their anti Muslim sentiment and anti Muslim bigotry and the associated racism (cos all mussies are arabs, or brown and black).

I live in a country that locks children in concentration camps in other countries and makes it a crime to even comment on the process if you're actually involved with it because of the enabling you refer to. In part because the definition of masculinity that side of politics promotes is one where the strong are actually scared of the weak and react violently to them as a result.

[jakell]

You just accused someone of not engaging in dialogue after they specifically engaged in dialogue.

IMO you're behaving like a bit of a flog. Not all the time, but in this specific case.

FWIW my RL friends and will often refer to each other as wankers if we feel one of us is ... well being a wanker. Calling someone a flog or a wanker doesn't mean you hate them. It means you think they really do need to re examine what they've just said or done without the ... well in this case confirmation bias.

Possibly a cultural thing then. It's very likely that friends will have a good understanding of where the boundaries lie, to say it to someone you don't know seems extremely clumsy and I would think that most of the time would be regarded as offensive. I certainly wouldn't do it, even though I'm quite outspoken.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Its no more offensive than accusing someone of refusing to engage in dialogue when they have just asked for other peoples opinions and that attempt at a dialogue was called a distraction.

Obviously they are being very clever - attempting to distract from your accusation of not engaging in dialogue by engaging in dialogue.

This is what you said:

Well, here you are asking questions of folks, yet you steadfastly refuse to enter into dialogue concerning the material you post.

Seems like you are doing this:

A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, and one message negates the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind

I'll leave it at that for now.

[jakell]

Good, so how about the substantial part of what I said, relating to the thread?:

What are your thoughts on Boyd Rice?

Well, here you are asking questions of folks, yet you steadfastly refuse to enter into dialogue concerning the material you post.

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.

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Funny how Roosh repeats ideas that resonate with Boyd Rice and other nazis.

Blair Cottrell for example.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/blair-co ... kbbvz.html

Mr Cottrell, who has claimed on social media that he spent time in prison for arson after burning down the house of a man who had sex with his then girlfriend, has also recommended violence against women.

"Women have manipulated me using sex and emotion; demoralization," he wrote in a comment on a YouTube video, "and I have manipulated them using violence and terror.

"We use what we have got to get what we want."

In another post he wrote that women are "attracted to strength", and the secret to keeping them faithful was to "care less about them and even crack them around the ear every once in a while".

Mr Cottrell has also written regularly about Jews.

"The Jews are as small physically as they are degenerate in character *... Enjoy your bullying of the lesser nation of Palestine while you can, because the white races are coming for you."

In another he says Jews "infiltrate and subvert entire generations of other nations in a bid for world power" and are "a much deadlier enemy than the violent Islamic pillagers, who just kill and maim openly".

A practical anti fascist perspective against this jerk is to stand out in public when he tries to rally his wannabe tough guy followers in their attempts to intimidate politicians, muslims, jews and whoever else he doesn't like. Including Palestinians if they happened to be in Australia.

* Tell that to Todd Goldstein...

[Joe Hillshoist]

Good, so how about the substantial part of what I said, relating to the thread?:

What are your thoughts on Boyd Rice?

Well, here you are asking questions of folks, yet you steadfastly refuse to enter into dialogue concerning the material you post.

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.

why would anyone bother with the "substantial" part of your comment when the first thing you've done is put the other person in a double bind? Why isn't it useful to consider Roosh part of the "far right" or even useful to consider how his views mesh with the views of far right arseholes?
What is practical anti fascism? Have you ever punched a neo nazi skinhead?

[jakell]

Before we go on with more randomness (Boyd Rice), it was you who started going on about Roosh. There have been some indications that it is not useful to regard him as part of the far right if one were to adopt a practical anti-fascist perspective. you haven't really attended to that yet.

Funny how Roosh repeats ideas that resonate with Boyd Rice and other nazis.

Blair Cottrell for example.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/blair-co ... kbbvz.html

Mr Cottrell, who has claimed on social media that he spent time in prison for arson after burning down the house of a man who had sex with his then girlfriend, has also recommended violence against women.

"Women have manipulated me using sex and emotion; demoralization," he wrote in a comment on a YouTube video, "and I have manipulated them using violence and terror.

"We use what we have got to get what we want."

In another post he wrote that women are "attracted to strength", and the secret to keeping them faithful was to "care less about them and even crack them around the ear every once in a while".

Mr Cottrell has also written regularly about Jews.

"The Jews are as small physically as they are degenerate in character *... Enjoy your bullying of the lesser nation of Palestine while you can, because the white races are coming for you."

In another he says Jews "infiltrate and subvert entire generations of other nations in a bid for world power" and are "a much deadlier enemy than the violent Islamic pillagers, who just kill and maim openly".

A practical anti fascist perspective against this jerk is to stand out in public when he tries to rally his wannabe tough guy followers in their attempts to intimidate politicians, muslims, jews and whoever else he doesn't like. Including Palestinians if they happened to be in Australia.

* Tell that to Todd Goldstein...

It seems from articles posted here that White Nationalists reject Roosh for various reasons, so to see him as part of the far-right doesn't seem practical if one wants combat them
Boyd Rice seems like a weirdo who is attracted to Nazi imagery, in the same way that people tend to be attracted to dark things for whatever reason.

Although one can throw these sorts of people together based on some similarities, it seems like an unnecessary complication. To me the fact that ideas resonate isn't enough to make a connection with a political movement.
As someone said earlier, they are more alt-right than far-right, a distinction that, to me, seems to require a different approach.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I looked up Boyd Rice on Stormfart (ha) and someone was on there claiming to know him and claiming that he was a WN and a didn't like women 'cept as fucktoys.

I don't think its the people, but its the ideas. The issue is obvious physical violence against women. Roosh doesn't like it, well so he says, but the others seem to revel in it. None the less its easy to see Roosh as a bit of a gateway drug.