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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:48 pm

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White Nationalists Pout After Trump Loses Iowa

The level of delusion that many on the racist right had developed about Trump’s candidacy has given the Iowa defeat significant . This run was the largest crossover point they have had in decades, many using it as the launching pad for their growth. The American Freedom Party funded robocalls in Iowa voiced by American Renaissance’s Jared Taylor, The Right Stuff’s Fash the Nation podcast was almost entirely dedicated to Trump, and Richard Spencer and the Radix Journal have made Trump their main course of content for months.

Now, with Ted Cruz sweeping Iowa and putting Trump in second(almost third), their vision has been shattered. Richard Spencer put out a video almost immediately showing his own disappointment for Trump’s fate. He was holding a small glass with two fingers of bourbon to quell his melancholy.

I certainly found myself with a sinking feeling about two hours in, or so, when thirty percent of the caucuses were reporting and he was down by three, or something, and I sensed a loss…I think, in a way, the election says something about Iowans.



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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:53 pm

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CRACK IN THE FACADE: HOW SPLITS IN THE WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT CAN HELP ANTI-FASCISTS

FEBRUARY 6, 2016

For anyone who has been on the ideological radical left, especially in Marxist or anarchist organizations, they know exactly what it is like to get caught up in petty disagreements and insular political arguments. It is what has led to the trend towards “splitting” in communist organizations, and what keeps many of these politically centered parties and groups from growing beyond a couple hundred members. Much of this has led to high profile infighting, where disagreements that are unintelligible to those outside an ideological cadre are unable to even understand what the two parties are so passionate about.

For those organizing against institutions of capital and the state, there is certainly a need to create strong bonds on points of agreement and to save disagreements over tactics and strategy to internal discussions. The primary reason for this is that the opposition looks for points of weakness, cracks in our structure that they can exploit to weaken us in critical ways. This “divide and conquer” strategy has been primary to the way that bosses weaken labor battles, landlords destroy tenant unity, and how the ruling class generally fractures any kind of working-class identity that is needed to combat forces that have the money and the state-supported power.

On the flip side, those on the reactionary edges of white supremacy, patriarchy, homophobia, and other parts of an intersectional neo-fascist movement, are also subject to the same forces. In the recent years many of these voices have rebranded and adapted to a new generation of white nationalists who are coming from middle-class, tech-friendly jobs and families. There has been a great call for unity that was often impossible in the earlier days of the KKK or neo-Nazi skinheads, all of which were subject to tribal gang fights over non-political issues. This new core has intellectual backgrounds and are using philosophy and pseudo-science as the foundation of a new nationalism, and by keeping strategy and tactics vague they have been able to create bonds that were less easy to break.

Yet, as is always the case on the far right, their egos remain unchecked and, eventually, they do begin to crack. It is at these points that anti-fascists can exploit these breaks in solidarity between them, and find ways to weaken and destroy their movements by isolating them from each other. Over the last couple years it has been easy to see where the points of contention between these people are since they are often along the lines of those who have developed a following.

When thinking about where the fractures are in the Alt Right, one person comes up as a point of rupture: Richard Spencer. Spencer is known for coining the term Alternative Right from his former webzine, which was created to bring together different dissident reactionary forces that were coming together around 2010. He has eventually helped to bring together a vague collection of white nationalists, post-libertarians, traditionalists, Men’s Rights dissidents, identitarians, racial pagans, and others, into a general new white nationalism.

He also popularized podcasts as being a primary way to outreach to the rest of the movement since reading is not always their strong suit. Vanguard Radio was his first attempt at this, starting by interviewing people like the American Freedom Party’s Merlin Miller, Youth for Western Civilization’s Kevin Deanna, and techno-futurist and neo-reactionary Rachel Haywire. He also brought on fellow racists Colin Liddell and Andy Nowicki to co-host a rambling version of the podcast. Both of them had been contributors, and later editors, at Alternative Right. At one point Spencer decided to leave Alternative Right as an editor, yet he continued the podcast and blogging at the website. Andy and Colin stepped up as the primary editors, and when Spencer told them in private that he kind of wanted the website to come down so he could move on, they insisted that it stay. After an incident happened with Jason Richwine, the Rachel Maddow Show at MSNBC did a story about Alternative Right and the National Policy Institute, which Spencer had taken over at this time. Here they identified a story by Colin Liddell where he essentially denies the Holocaust and mocks the Jews who died. He did not like being associated with this since he did not have any editorial control over what was published. On Christmas Day of 2013 he took down Alternative Right and made the URL link to his new web magazine, Radix Journal.

Andy and Colin were understandably enraged, and Colin went on social media rants calling Spencer a “Dick-tator.” They reformed a new website called the “New Alternative Right,” and started their own podcast. In one early episode dedicated to Spencer’s decision, Colin spoke about Spencer’s behavior and penchant for talking over his guests.

In 2014 Spencer tried to have a “pan-European” conference in Budapest, Hungary. This was going to bring white nationalists from around Europe, America, and Russia to come together and talk about “European unity.” The docket was to include people like Alexander Dugin and Jared Taylor. The Hungarian government, under pressure from the socialist party, declared that the conference would not happen, moving all the way up to the Prime Minister, Viktor Orban. Spencer decided he would not listen to the government’s order and would go anyway, even though the government canceled their hotel bookings. At a private dinner of conference attendees, the police showed up and arrested Spencer. They deported him, banning him from European nations. The conference ended up just happening in private at the dinner location, with Tomislav Sunic and Jared Taylor as its only speakers.

It was this situation that actually mended the relationship between Liddell and Nowicki with Spencer. He went on their podcast shortly there after, and even though Liddell used this opportunity to talk over Spencer and throw insulting jokes at him, it seemed as though they would make it through. Liddell ended up going on Spencer’s new podcast, the Radix Journal Podcast, several times to talk about the Scottish Independence vote and on a series they did on James Bond.

The situation in Hungary did, however, stoke problems that were forming between Greg Johnson and Richard Spencer. Johnson is the founder and editor of Counter-Currents Publishing, which publishes a lot of racist and traditionalist books by people like Savitri Devi and Jonathan Bowden. They are known for their blog and pocast, which attempts to be even more high brown than Radix while also being more offensively racist. When Spencer still called for people to fly into Hungary even though hotels were being canceled by the state and they were having calls for deportation, Johnson became incensed. He took to Twitter to insult Spencer and state that he owes all conference attendees a “complete refund.” He went on to make insulting comments about Spencer’s wife, saying he was controlled by her and referring to her as “Nina Nogoodnick.” This stopped the growing relationship between the two flat. Spencer had recently had him on several podcasts to discuss movies and Johnson had hosted Spencer discussing what had happened with the shut down of Alternative Right. The irony here was that Johnson went on, at length, about how this type of public infighting is just useless and antithetical to their cause. Their relationship was never really patched up, and they were both known to make passive jokes about each other in interviews and podcasts. They were eventually both on a round table podcast at Red Ice Radio with RamZPaul, John Morgan of Arktos Publishing, and Daniel Frieberg. The discussion moved to the debate over pan-European unity versus regional European nationalism. Spencer is known for calling for a new “white empire” that gets over “petty nationalisms.” Johnson discussed the importance of having these regional states, telling Spencer that “reality had vetoed his dream.” They got incredibly heated insulting one another while the host desperately tried to get things on track.

These differences and arguments seem silly to us, and they are. Yet to the neo-fascists who are trying to move from their basements and into the political sphere, they are incredibly meaningful. In knowing where their fractures are we can begin to develop a strategy that plays on this as a weakness. Greg Johnson and Richard Spencer are both “intellectual” leaders of the Alt Right, and their strong personalities have the ability both to create leadership and to turn their followers off. To confront this we can find ways to further split their connections apart by highlighting the differences between them, and trying to stoke their infighting into public displays of disunity. What if, when shutting down one of their events, anti-fascists also go onto internal forums and place blame on other parties? This can have the effect of shrinking any cadre that they have with a common purpose, which also diminishes its effectiveness.

By highlighting their splits we can also help to communicate to those who may see them as an attractive dissenting force, show that they actually lack any ideological clarity or ability to force political programs. They are ineffective as organizing agents, which is clear since they rarely have any organizational plans, but if we continue to exploit their fragments we can show them for the impotent forces that they are. Using messaging on our end that not only confronts the bigots directly, but also creates dissent and infighting in their ranks can be an effective tool for destroying their mobilization.

Infighting around Richard Spencer has been happening for well over a year now beyond just the skirmishes mentioned. His dismissal of Orthodox Christianity has made him persona non grata in some of the more neo-Confederate, Kinist, and religious communities associated with the Traditionalist Youth Network, the League of the South, and others. He recently banned Trad Youth’s Matthew Heimbach for his recent comments about same-sex relationships where he claimed that queer people are intentionally spreading HIV. This brought offense to the NPI participants, one of which is the “andriophile” Jack Donovan.

By highlighting their own infighting we can continue to show their weak points, disable their ability to create compelling narrative or fronts, and maintain their position on the fringes. Part of this is allowing them to walk themselves into corners, which they often do through their own bizarre political ideas and their ability to attract those with political egos. In the case of Heimbach, we can continue to highlight his homophobia in an effort to not only alert the public to his disgusting ideas, but also to call the attention his fellow fascists. The more they clash internally, the weaker they will be. For anti-fascist organizing, this is always going to weaken the opposition and make those white nationalists that do creep up even easier to marginalize.

Occidental Dissent, another one of the more offensive racist websites, actually has publicized these arguments between bigots. In a post from 2014 they outlined a big list of “who hates who.” Though it is a little old, it seems to be more or less accurate even today.

Get your popcorn.

Check out this partial list of ongoing current beefs:

Greg Johnson vs. Daily Stormer

Greg Johnson vs. Richard Spencer

Alternative Right vs. Daily Stormer

Alex Linder vs. Jared Taylor

Alex Linder vs. Greg Johnson

Ramzpaul vs. Robert Ransdell

Daily Stormer vs. Ramzpaul

Greg Johnson vs. Matt Parrott

Bob Whitaker vs. Stormfront

Alex Linder vs. Bob Whitaker

Sebastian Ronin vs. Countless People

My Picks For Most Intense Beef

Hadding vs. Harold Covington

Will Williams vs. Harold Covington

Axis Sally vs. Harold Covington


Their movement is based entirely on the subjugation and oppression of “the other,” a notion that drives their ideological core. They do not have the same foundation in thought and ideas you see in the radical left opposition, which makes it even easier to unravel when put under a magnifying glass. At times, the ludicrous nature of their own racism will do it on its own. The coup attempt in Leith, North Dakota a couple of years ago lays out a clear exampele of this. Craig Cobb, a well known fringe neo-Nazi even by their own standards, began buying up property for next to nothing in a remote North Dakotan town. Leith had a population of 26 people, and his plan was to overrun the town with fellow neo-Nazis so as to take control of the Town Council. He deeded property over to members of the National Socialist Movement and former White Aryan Resistance organizer, Tom Metzger. The town put up an incredible show of counter-organizing, with great support from local First Nations tribal leaders and anti-racists. A confrontation was put forward to Cobb to do a DNA test that would prove his racial ancestry. He accepted this challenge, and when it came back proving that he was 14% Sub-Saharan African he saw a great deal of his support dry up. This came from the internal contradictions inside of his Creativity Movement, which is the most militant side of the white nationalist movement demanding racial purity. In reality, almost no person appearing white has only European genetic ancestry, so it is literally a contest that they cannot win. By leaving themselves open it provided anti-racists an opportunity to confront them, not only to dismiss their message publicly, but to create a backlash internally as his fellow skinhead supporters began demanding him out of his own white community.

Because we do not want to ever provide them a platform, and because we organize to defend our communities from them, we often do not have the resources to attempt to exploit these cracks in their ranks. With their influx of public media and loud voices we now have more information about high-profile racists than ever before, which means that we can integrate these strategies into our more general messaging.

Let’s continue to show the world who these people are and the fallacies that their calls for “white revolution” depend on!
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:29 pm

Well, finally we see some nuance and intelligence emerging from the antis. Pretty much what I was expressing to you a couple of years ago AD when all you seemed to be able to do was claim (ad nauseum) how solid they were under the surface.

It remains to be seen how they can capitalise on this though, it's one thing identifying a strategy and it's another to put it into practice. The biggest handicap will be how the antis have been wedded to a simplistic black/white hat paradigm and how this has resulted in a shouty narrative that drowns out the necessary nuance and appreciation of present realities.

That list of people with alleged differences is far too extensive and unwieldy BTW (someone showing off?) it needs trimming down so that details can be addressed. It's a step in the right direction though.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby General Patton » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:11 pm

Don't forget Sinead of Firestarter Media v. everyone who doesn't know that the jews are doctoring all of the satellite footage the world has seen of a curved earth.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:43 pm

Just noticed that that list is cribbed from a far-right site anyway, which reminds me of an additional point I wanted to make ie, the far right are actually more comfortable with a degree of internal conflict than the Left, so it's not as easy as expected to make use of this. Even though they may mention such things as unity now and again, they don't have any squidgy ideals about how this is a natural state of affairs amongst humans that will descend if we were only to get things right, and don't get so dismayed when it doesn't happen.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:38 pm

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TWITTER WARRIORS: HOW DO DEAL WITH WHITE NATIONALIST TROLLS

On a recent episode of the cleverly titled Fash the Nation, another podcast project of the Right Stuff, they opined about Trump’s big failure in Iowa. To join the regular hosts Jazz Hands McFeels and Marcus Halberstram they invited Raiden, a Twitter “sensation” who bragged about how good he is at trolling. He proudly declared that he keeps “hate facts” in his bookmarks so he is ready to “Red Pill” people on social media, a term used originally by the Men’s Rights crowd and means to reveal the truth(which actually means to be racist). He went on, at length, about how great he was at harassing people on Twitter, so much that he often gets banned. The hosts egged him on, also congratulating him for this major “achievement.”

The new Alt Right is being tactically informed by people like the Right Stuff and the Daily Shoah who think that internet trolling, using infectious memes, and arguing with people in web forums is the same thing as political organizing. Their project relies on this since they usually do not come from a history of political engagement, but instead from the recesses of extreme ideology that remote web forums often inspire. While this is embarrassing right off the bat, it is not without its avenues. They have successfully disseminated things like the Cuckservative, Alt Right, and Facts Aren’t Racist hashtags, have created a groundswell of reactionary internet support for Trump, and are feeding the vanguard of the racist movement to commit acts of violence and eventually join the kind of political organizations that we are seeing all over Europe.

We at Anti-Fascist News have also been pretty consistently “trolled” and blogged about from the far-right, where they are just begging to get a mention. The Daily Shoah has devoted segments of several of their shows to us, and their forum will link to us so many times that we quickly become the top Google search results(good strategy guys). Attack the System, the website run by Keith Preston and best known for pushing National Anarchism, has run a full four articles about us, desperately trying to pull us into a debate. We actually did counter a couple of their claims, only because they have occasionally moved their arguments into anarchist circles and so we need to develop a good rhetorical foundation to unhinge their ‘pan-secessionist” rhetoric. Occidental Dissent, the Traditionalist Youth Network, the National Anarchist Network of Texas, Jack Donovan, and others have made us the target of their attention in recent months, hoping that they can get a word in on our conversation. Daily we get hate comments, often with racial slurs, and usually they believe that we are going to allow their comments to be posted so that they can, again, troll. On Twitter they will tag us so as to draw us into an “internet feud” so they can fuel their blog diarrhea, especially since their lack of relevance can stop them from having appealing content.

Our policy is to completely refuse to discuss things, allow them to link to us, or to even provide access to our social media. We regularly block fascists if they tag us on Facebook or Twitter, which happens a couple times a week. We will work to break the links when they link directly to our website, and we never, ever allow racist or right-wing comments to post on our website. We aim to be a useful resource for anti-fascist and anti-racist organizing, so we prioritize the goals of organizing above all else. Complete radio silence and removing them as regularly as you can will be the best way to regularly segregate them from important conversations. We prefer if our boosts in traffic comes from anti-racists looking to find out what is happening inside of the racist community, not just out of a lurid curiosity, but because we need this information to inform strategy.

As long as we continue, we expect to get followed closely by these groups as they look for any avenue to get coverage. Instead, in our discussions about them we refuse to link to them or provide them an open platform of any type.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:29 am

ADL does quite a decent job of not collapsing into hysterics:
http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domes ... t-the.html

Although what I've seen of the "Alt Right" is a lot more diverse (and interesting) than "The New White Supremacy," the very term was coined by a WN and -- Oy Vey! -- the oven memes are everywhere, so calling a spade by name seems more than fair.

Alt Right: A Primer about the New White Supremacy

February 10, 2016

One of the extremist-related “buzz words” that people may encounter in 2016 is “Alt Right.” The term “Alt Right” originated with extremists but increasingly has found its way into the mainstream media. Alt Right is short for “alternative right." This vague term actually encompasses a range of people on the extreme right who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of forms of conservatism that embrace implicit or explicit racism or white supremacy.

People who identify with the Alt Right regard mainstream or traditional conservatives as weak and impotent, largely because they do not sufficiently support racism and anti-Semitism. Alt Righters frequently disparage the conservative movement by using the derogatory term “cuckservative,” popularized in 2015. The term “cuckservative,” a com­bi­na­tion of “con­ser­v­a­tive” and “cuck­old,” is used by white supremacists to describe a white Chris­t­ian con­ser­v­a­tive who pro­motes the inter­ests of Jews and non-whites over those of whites.

Though not every person who identifies with the Alt Right is a white supremacist, most are and “white identity” is central to people in this milieu. In fact, Alt Righters reject modern conservatism explicitly because they believe that mainstream conservatives are not advocating for the interests of white people as a group.

HOW DID THE TERM ALT RIGHT ORIGINATE?

White supremacist Richard Spencer, who runs the National Policy Institute, a tiny white supremacist think tank, coined the term “Alternative Right” as the name for an online publication that debuted in 2010. The online publication changed hands in 2013 when Spencer shut it down. It was soon re-launched by Colin Liddell and Andy Nowicki, who were former writers for Alternative Right. Spencer went on to found another online journal, Radix. Both Alternative Right and Radix act as forums for racists, anti-Semites and others who identify with the Alt Right.

The term “Alt Right” is not the only term used to describe this movement. Some of its adherents use other, similar phrases, such as the “New Right” and the “Dissident Right.” They all refer to the same race-infused brand of extreme conservatism.

WHAT IS THE IDEOLOGY OF THE ALT RIGHT?

Alt Right adherents identify with a range of different ideologies that put white identity at their centers. Many claim themselves as Identitarians, a term that originated in France with the founding of the Bloc Identitaire movement and its youth counterpart, Generation Identitaire. Identitarians espouse racism and intolerance under the guise of preserving the ethnic and cultural origins of their respective counties. American Identitarians such as Richard Spencer claim to want to preserve European-American (i.e., white) culture in the U.S. As Michael McGregor, a writer and editor for Radix wrote in an article in the publication, Identitarians want “the preservation of our identity--the cultural and genetic heritage that makes us who we are.” Identitarians reject multiculturalism or pluralism in any form.

Others in the Alt Right identify as so-called radical traditionalists, people who want to preserve what they claim are traditional Christian values but from a uniquely white supremacist perspective. The Traditionalist Youth Network is a group that espouses a white supremacist form of Christianity and promotes “family and folk” and separation of the races.

Others in the Alt Right simply identify as white nationalists, who want to preserve the white majority in the U.S., claiming that whites losing their majority status is equivalent to “white genocide.” They favor propaganda on subjects such as immigration and “black crime” as “evidence” of this ostensible ethnic cleansing of whites.

There are people with other beliefs who fall under the umbrella of the Alt Right but all share a fixation on white identity as central to their ideology. Different segments of the Alt Right may refer to themselves as neo-reactionaries (those who reject liberal democracy and ideas associated with the Enlightenment. Some neo-reactionaries refer to their theories as the “Dark Enlightenment.”) Others may call themselves “race realists” or alternately “HBD” advocates, a reference to human biodiversity (those who believe that one’s race governs traits such as behavior and intelligence—with non-whites being inferior to whites). However they define themselves, Alt Righters reject egalitarianism, democracy, universalism and multiculturalism.

A number of Alt Righters are also blatantly anti-Semitic and blame Jews for allegedly promoting anti-white policies such as immigration and diversity. Alt Righters mock conservative support of Israel as anti-white. The woman behind the Alt Right Twitter handle recently wrote, “I support ALL Jews living in Israel or a defined area.”

WHO MAKES UP THE ALT RIGHT?

The Alt Right is an extremely loose movement, made up of different strands of people connected to white supremacy. One body of adherents is the ostensibly “intellectual” racists who create many of the doctrines and principles of the white supremacist movement. They seek to attract young educated whites to the movement by highlighting the achievements and alleged intellectual and cultural superiority of whites. They run a number of small white supremacist enterprises that include think tanks, online publications and publishing houses. These include Radix and Washington Summit Publishers, both run by Richard Spencer; Counter Currents Publishing, run by Greg Johnson; American Renaissance, run by Jared Taylor; and The Right Stuff, a political and social blog with a number of contributors.

Another strand of the Alt Right consists of younger racists savvy with social media and Internet communications. In recent months, a number of these Alt Righters have promoted Donald Trump’s* presidential bid, seeing the populist candidate as someone tougher than so-called “cuckservatives,” thanks to his controversial stands on issues ranging from immigration to Muslims in America

Alt Righters like to try to use terms such as “culture” as substitutes for more lightning rod terms such as “race,” or promote “Western Civilization” as a code word for white culture or identity. They do not make explicit references to white supremacy like the “14 words” a slogan used by neo-Nazis and other hardcore white supremacists. The “14 words” refers to the expression, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” Even though Alt Righters share the sentiment behind the “14 words” they’re more inclined to talk about preserving European-American identity.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE ALT RIGHT?

Though the Alt Right is not a movement, per se, the number of people who identify with it is growing. It includes a number of young people who espouse racist and anti-Semitic beliefs. It has a loud presence online. The intellectual racists who identify as part of the Alt Right also run a growing number of publications and publishing houses that promote white supremacist ideas. Their goal is to influence mainstream whites by exposing them to the concept of white identity and racial consciousness.

The term “Alternative Right” is a conscious attempt by these people to stake out part of the conservative spectrum and to claim that they deserve a voice in conservative conversations. The term “Alternative Right” explicitly avoids the use of the word “race” and conjures rebel or anti-establishment figures—often attractive to youth. The “Alt Right” is in a sense an attempt by white supremacists to infiltrate conservative conversations that have largely deliberately excluded them in recent decades.


One quibble:

Others may call themselves “race realists” or alternately “HBD” advocates, a reference to human biodiversity (those who believe that one’s race governs traits such as behavior and intelligence—with non-whites being inferior to whites).


Most of the HBD folks are considerably more sophisticated than that: few of them, especially those with an actual understanding of the genetics they invoke, would make such a sausage-fingered argument as "one's race governs traits," period. Also, the evidence is pretty clear that Asians are superior to whites, as are Ashkenazi Jews, in many of the key departments.

The whole reason "race realists" exist is a convergence between actual white supremacists making a bid for respectability, and actual geneticists and biologists being alienated by a prevailing social sciences paradigm that insists, at all costs, that race is not "real." Banishing never ends well.

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:42 am

Hmm. this sounds to me like a bit of backdoor meme creation, and I can't really see white nationalists/supremacists being enthusiastic for anything that entitles itself "the new..." anything. Traditionalism and essentialism are really what they prefer.

So I'm guessing some white nationalist has used the phrase and this has been slightly inflated (by 'antis') to coined, hoping that it will become a 'thing' to be later treated as a strawman.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby General Patton » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:19 pm

jakell » Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:42 am wrote:Hmm. this sounds to me like a bit of backdoor meme creation, and I can't really see white nationalists/supremacists being enthusiastic for anything that entitles itself "the new..." anything. Traditionalism and essentialism are really what they prefer.

So I'm guessing some white nationalist has used the phrase and this has been slightly inflated (by 'antis') to coined, hoping that it will become a 'thing' to be later treated as a strawman.


Most of the current set of nazis and traditionalists, e.g. Weev, are not true traditionalists or nazis. The nazi imagery is a tool to move the overton window, as the article I quoted from the Daily Stormer mentions (glad you read it btw AD). In truth they want to advance to something new, not merely wind the clock back x number of decades. Most of the alt right nazis are more sympathetic to a Francoist style regime that subordinates fascism to nationalism and suppresses diversity for the sake of national unity. Though it wouldn't surprise me to see laws against miscegenation creep in if their LARPutopia ever came into being. Just because they aren't nazis doesn't mean we want them in congress.

We've already discussed how antifa and progressives being propagandists for the alt-right helped fuel their rise, Buckleyites are the other part of the equation. The current definition of conservative is a limited set of magnet and wedge issues (e.g. abortion), and "limited government", which in practice just means selling your country out for the sake of large megacorps. Buckley no-platformed out everything except a mono-culture of pro-war, pro-israel, pro-corporation conservatives. Now his crown-jewel the NRO has an ever-declining readership (mostly 65+ and dying off) and is going bankrupt.

AD, are any antifa publications going to put out a piece on dank fascist meme magick? What's your stance on meme magick? Do the antifa plan to git gud at producing memes?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:26 pm

I have this hunch that the organized anti-fascist movement is paying a bit more attention to Rigourous Intuition, so you never know what they might cover next...
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby General Patton » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:27 pm

American Dream » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:26 am wrote:I have this hunch that the organized anti-fascist movement is paying a bit more attention to Rigourous Intuition, so you never know what they might cover next...


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:31 pm

Rigorous Intuition was never supposed to be attached to the Stormfart sphere...
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby jakell » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:46 pm

American Dream » Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:31 pm wrote:Rigorous Intuition was never supposed to be attached to the Stormfart sphere...


This is where you keep letting yourself down, the constant references to Stormfront as if it is a reliable cipher for far right activity and thought. The articles you post suggest a wider sensibility, but what you say outside of them often belies this.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby General Patton » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:47 pm

American Dream » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:31 am wrote:Rigorous Intuition was never supposed to be attached to the Stormfart sphere...


Indeed. There's a certain irony in that the alt right recruits even passionate antifa activists who become alienated or disillusioned with the current positions antifa are taking. They then become hardcore ideologues because they have to prove that they are even more right wing than everyone else to make up for their antifa past. I really do wonder how many antifas will convert to this deranged alt-right racism before this decade closes and then seek to enact the same purges they sought when they were on the other side of the spectrum.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:55 pm

Yeah, that's right- everybody is anti-fascist here, always was, always will be, right?"
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