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Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:54 pm

DefenseOne by way of BuzzFlash

Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom
FEBRUARY 16, 2016 BY SARAH CHAYES ALEX DE WAAL
Saudi Arabia is no state at all. It's an unstable business so corrupt to resemble a criminal organization and the U.S. should get ready for the day after. Commentary / Middle East / Defense Department
For half a century, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been the linchpin of U.S. Mideast policy. A guaranteed supply of oil has bought a guaranteed supply of security. Ignoring autocratic practices and the export of Wahhabi extremism, Washington stubbornly dubs its ally “moderate.” So tight is the trust that U.S. special operators dip into Saudi petrodollars as a counterterrorism slush fund without a second thought. In a sea of chaos, goes the refrain, the kingdom is one state that’s stable.

But is it?

In fact, Saudi Arabia is no state at all. There are two ways to describe it: as a political enterprise with a clever but ultimately unsustainable business model, or so corrupt as to resemble in its functioning a vertically and horizontally integrated criminal organization. Either way, it can’t last. It’s past time U.S. decision-makers began planning for the collapse of the Saudi kingdom.

In recent conversations with military and other government personnel, we were startled at how startled they seemed at this prospect. Here’s the analysis they should be working through.

Understood one way, the Saudi king is CEO of a family business that converts oil into payoffs that buy political loyalty. They take two forms: cash handouts or commercial concessions for the increasingly numerous scions of the royal clan, and a modicum of public goods and employment opportunities for commoners. The coercive “stick” is supplied by brutal internal security services lavishly equipped with American equipment.

The U.S. has long counted on the ruling family having bottomless coffers of cash with which to rent loyalty. Even accounting today’s low oil prices, and as Saudi officials step up arms purchases and military adventures in Yemen and elsewhere, Riyadh is hardly running out of funds.

Still, expanded oil production in the face of such low prices—until the Feb. 16 announcement of a Saudi-Russian freeze at very high January levels—may reflect an urgent need for revenue as well as other strategic imperatives. Talk of a Saudi Aramco IPO similarly suggests a need for hard currency.

A political market, moreover, functions according to demand as well as supply. What if the price of loyalty rises?

It appears that is just what’s happening. King Salman had to spend lavishly to secure the allegiance of the notables who were pledged to the late King Abdullah. Here’s what played out in two other countries when this kind of inflation hit. In South Sudan, an insatiable elite not only diverted the newly minted country’s oil money to private pockets but also kept up their outsized demands when the money ran out, sparking a descent into chaos. The Somali government enjoys generous donor support, but is priced out of a very competitive political market by a host of other buyers—with ideological, security or criminal agendas of their own.

Such comparisons may be offensive to Saudi leaders, but they are telling. If the loyalty price index keeps rising, the monarchy could face political insolvency.

The Saudi ruling elite is operating something like a sophisticated criminal enterprise.
Looked at another way, the Saudi ruling elite is operating something like a sophisticated criminal enterprise, when populations everywhere are making insistent demands for government accountability. With its political and business elites interwoven in a monopolistic network, quantities of unaccountable cash leaving the country for private investments and lavish purchases abroad, and state functions bent to serve these objectives, Saudi Arabia might be compared to such kleptocracies as Viktor Yanukovich’s Ukraine.

Increasingly, Saudi citizens are seeing themselves as just that: citizens, not subjects. In countries as diverse as Nigeria, Ukraine, Brazil, Moldova, and Malaysia, people are contesting criminalized government and impunity for public officials—sometimes violently. In more than half a dozen countries in 2015, populations took to the streets to protest corruption. In three of them, heads of state are either threatened or have had to resign. Elsewhere, the same grievances have contributed to the expansion of jihadi movements or criminal organizations posing as Robin Hoods. Russia and China’s external adventurism can at least partially be explained as an effort to re-channel their publics‘ dissatisfaction with the quality of governance.

For the moment, it is largely Saudi Arabia’s Shiite minority that is voicing political demands. But the highly educated Sunni majority, with unprecedented exposure to the outside world, is unlikely to stay satisfied forever with a few favors doled out by geriatric rulers impervious to their input. And then there are the “guest workers.” Saudi officials, like those in other Gulf states, seem to think they can exploit an infinite supply of indigents grateful to work at whatever conditions. But citizens are now heavily outnumbered in their own countries by laborers who may soon begin claiming rights.

For decades, Riyadh has eased pressure by exporting its dissenters—like Osama bin Laden—fomenting extremism across the Muslim world. But that strategy can backfire: bin Laden’s critique of Saudi corruption has been taken up by others and resonates among many Arabs. And King Salman (who is 80, by the way) does not display the dexterity of his half-brother Abdullah. He’s reached for some of the familiar items in the autocrats’ toolbox: executing dissidents, embarking on foreign wars, and whipping up sectarian rivalries to discredit Saudi Shiite demands and boost nationalist fervor. Each of these has grave risks.

There are a few ways things could go, as Salman’s brittle grip on power begins cracking.

One is a factional struggle within the royal family, with the price of allegiance bid up beyond anyone’s ability to pay in cash. Another is foreign war. With Saudi Arabia and Iran already confronting each other by proxy in Yemen and Syria, escalation is too easy. U.S. decision-makers should bear that danger in mind as they keep pressing for regional solutions to regional problems. A third scenario is insurrection—either a non-violent uprising or a jihadi insurgency—a result all too predictable given episodes throughout the region in recent years.

An energetic red team should shoot holes in the automatic-pilot thinking that has guided Washington policy to date.
The U.S. keeps getting caught flat-footed when purportedly solid countries came apart. At the very least, and immediately, rigorous planning exercises should be executed, in which different scenarios and different potential U.S. actions to reduce the codependence and mitigate the risks can be tested. Most likely, and most dangerous, outcomes should be identified, and an energetic red team should shoot holes in the automatic-pilot thinking that has guided Washington policy to date.

“Hope is not a policy” is a hackneyed phrase. But choosing not to consider alternatives amounts to the same thing.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby 82_28 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:05 pm

What would it turn into? Alice, care to weigh in on what you think?
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby Nordic » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:14 pm

Can't happen soon enough. I hope they die in an uprising where they are all hacked to death, or better yet, set afire.

Just saw photos of babies burned to death in Yemen. If you're curious, don't do a google search. Just don't. You don't want to.
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:45 pm

Nordic » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:14 pm wrote:Can't happen soon enough. I hope they die in an uprising where they are all hacked to death, or better yet, set afire.

Just saw photos of babies burned to death in Yemen. If you're curious, don't do a google search. Just don't. You don't want to.


And yet - any direction a Saudi collapse shakes out will be just as many babies burned to death. (Isn't that a horrible thing to say at all? Isn't it worse to have it be true?)

Per 82_28's question, I think you can just picture Syria, although the geopolitics of SA must play out differently given they've got almost 10x the landmass for only 2x the population. That's a lot of open space for testing out exciting new offensive paradigms.

In the short term, it'd put even more pressure on Jordan, who would be facing regime implosion on three borders (Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia) and make a lot of problems for Egypt and Iran. Internally, the biggest question would be Riyadh -- I think if that can hold stable, it'd be a (well-funded) bulwark for Qatar and the UAE. And, I suppose, Kuwait.

The prospect of Medina and Mecca burning is not unthinkable.
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby Harvey » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:48 am

Many thanks for the OP. In what little exposure I have to MSM (no TV for a decade and a half, rarely read newspapers, I just got tired of it all) the edges of the UK capital media bubble has been dropping pantomime hints about Saudi's role in the last decade and a half of madness, let alone the last century. But I also hear people on the street discussing West/Saudi complicity in the shape of things. What does it mean?
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby semper occultus » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:06 am

The Map of the “New Middle East”

A relatively unknown map of the Middle East, NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan, and Pakistan has been circulating around strategic, governmental, NATO, policy and military circles since mid-2006. It has been causally allowed to surface in public, maybe in an attempt to build consensus and to slowly prepare the general public for possible, maybe even cataclysmic, changes in the Middle East. This is a map of a redrawn and restructured Middle East identified as the “New Middle East.”

MAP OF THE NEW MIDDLE EAST

Image

Note: The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby semper occultus » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:15 am

Nordic » 18 Feb 2016 03:14 wrote:Just saw photos of babies burned to death in Yemen. If you're curious, don't do a google search. Just don't. You don't want to.


...yeah but look at the bigger picture here....Saudi arms sales are the only thing propping up our balance of trade figures... :confused

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35484097

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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:31 am

Harvey » 18 Feb 2016 16:48 wrote:Many thanks for the OP. In what little exposure I have to MSM (no TV for a decade and a half, rarely read newspapers, I just got tired of it all) the edges of the UK capital media bubble has been dropping pantomime hints about Saudi's role in the last decade and a half of madness, let alone the last century. But I also hear people on the street discussing West/Saudi complicity in the shape of things. What does it mean?


It means some stuff that was talked about here for a decade is filtering thru to consensus reality.

The age of oil is ... well not ending, but people are starting to think about it ending.
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby stefano » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:37 am

Dunno about this analysis. There's plenty but plenty of money left in the Sauds' coffers, and they're evidently getting ready to tighten fiscal spending. There were some rumours a few weeks ago that King Salman was getting ready to abdicate in favour of Prince Muhammad, certainly not coincidentally right after Muhammad gave an interview to The Economist in which he talked about privatising Saudi Aramco (the biggest company in the world, note), and tightening spending.

Some recent links of interest:

Young prince in a hurry [Muhammad's Economist interview]

Prince Muhammad’s most dramatic moves may be at home. He seems determined to use the collapse in the price of oil, from $115 a barrel in 2014 to below $35, to enact radical economic reforms. This begins with fiscal retrenchment. Even after initial budget cuts last year, Saudi Arabia recorded a whopping budget deficit of 15% of GDP. Its pile of foreign reserves has fallen by $100 billion, to $650 billion. Even with its minimal debt of 5% of GDP, Saudi Arabia’s public finances are unsustainable for more than a few years (see chart).

His budget, unveiled in December, cuts subsidies on water, electricity and fuel. These were aimed mostly at big consumers, including the myriad royal princes. “I don’t deserve these subsidies,” he says. Even so, Saudis witnessed the rare sight of people queuing to buy petrol before the prices rose by 50% on January 1st. This month Saudis accustomed to leaving on the air-conditioner when going on holiday will receive dearer electricity and water bills. Within five years, the plan is that Saudis should be paying market prices, probably with compensation in the form of direct payments for poorer citizens.


Sale of the century?

On January 4th the kingdom’s deputy crown prince, Muhammad bin Salman, told The Economist that Saudi Arabia was considering the possibility of floating shares in the company, adding that personally he was “enthusiastic” about the idea.
[...]
Aramco is worth, officials say, “trillions of dollars”, making it easily the world’s biggest company. It says it has hydrocarbon reserves of 261 billion barrels, more than ten times those of ExxonMobil, the largest private oil firm, which is worth $323 billion. It pumps more oil than the whole of America, about 10.2m barrels a day (b/d), giving it unparalleled sway over prices. If just a sliver of its shares were placed on the Saudi stock exchange, which currently has a total market value of about $400 billion, they could greatly increase its size.


From the always interesting Nafeez Ahmed:

Saudi war for Yemen oil pipeline is empowering al-Qaeda, IS

But there’s a parallel sub-goal here, acknowledged in private by Western officials, but not discussed in public: Yemen has as yet untapped potential to provide an alternative set of oil and gas trans-shipment routes for the export of Saudi oil, bypassing Iran and the Strait of Hormuz.

The reality of the kingdom’s ambitions in this regard are laid bare in a secret 2008 State Department cable obtained by Wikileaks, from the US embassy in Yemen to the Secretary of State:

“A British diplomat based in Yemen told PolOff [US embassy political officer] that Saudi Arabia had an interest to build a pipeline, wholly owned, operated and protected by Saudi Arabia, through Hadramawt to a port on the Gulf of Aden, thereby bypassing the Arabian Gulf/Persian Gulf and the straits of Hormuz.

"Saleh has always opposed this. The diplomat contended that Saudi Arabia, through supporting Yemeni military leadership, paying for the loyalty of sheikhs and other means, was positioning itself to ensure it would, for the right price, obtain the rights for this pipeline from Saleh’s successor.”

Indeed, Yemen’s eastern governorate of Hadramaut has remained curiously free from Saudi bombardment. The province, Yemen’s largest, contains the bulk of Yemen’s remaining oil and gas resources.

“The kingdom’s primary interest in the governorate is the possible construction of an oil pipeline. Such a pipeline has long been a dream of the government of Saudi Arabia,” observes Michael Horton, a senior analyst on Yemen at the Jamestown Foundation. “A pipeline through the Hadramawt would give Saudi Arabia and its Gulf State allies direct access to the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean; it would allow them to bypass the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic chokepoint that could be, at least temporarily, blocked by Iran in a future conflict. The prospect of securing a route for a future pipeline through the Hadramawt likely figures in Saudi Arabia’s broader long-term strategy in Yemen.”


And the Egyptian army has been bought and paid for:

Egypt's Sisi says won't hesitate to send troops to Gulf if asked

Egypt will not hesitate to send military forces into the territory of Arab Gulf allies to offer protection if asked by the leaders of those countries, President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said on Wednesday.

The most populous Arab state, the recipient of billions of dollars in aid from the Gulf, has entered a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen but has yet to formally commit to sending ground troops. Sisi has often said that the Gulf's security is synonymous with Egyptian national security.

"The president made it clear that Egypt will not hesitate to send forces to brotherly Gulf counties to defend them if they face any direct threat or aggression," the presidency said in a statement.


The last time Egypt got bogged down in a ground war in Yemen, of course, it led directly to her 1967 defeat and the loss of the Sinai. The teams are different this time, though.
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:30 pm

stefano wrote:And the Egyptian army has been bought and paid for:

Egypt's Sisi says won't hesitate to send troops to Gulf if asked

Egypt will not hesitate to send military forces into the territory of Arab Gulf allies to offer protection if asked by the leaders of those countries, President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said on Wednesday.

The most populous Arab state, the recipient of billions of dollars in aid from the Gulf, has entered a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen but has yet to formally commit to sending ground troops. Sisi has often said that the Gulf's security is synonymous with Egyptian national security.

"The president made it clear that Egypt will not hesitate to send forces to brotherly Gulf counties to defend them if they face any direct threat or aggression," the presidency said in a statement.


The last time Egypt got bogged down in a ground war in Yemen, of course, it led directly to her 1967 defeat and the loss of the Sinai. The teams are different this time, though.


God, stefano, your prejudices are making you blind and deaf and seriously impairing your judgement. President Sisi's statement was, in diplomatic-speak, a very clear and blunt statement that Egypt categorically REFUSES to send military forces to Yemen or Syria. Hint: the key word here is "direct". His meaning was immediately understood by both Egyptians (who were delighted) and by the Saudis (who were enraged). Relations between Saudi Arabia and Egypt have been cooling steadily since the death of King Abdullah, with Egypt's refusal to send ground troops to either of those countries being a particularly sore point.
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby stefano » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:54 pm

I don't think I'm prejudiced... though I don't suppose anyone does. I'll readily admit I'm no fan at all of the current Egyptian government - I'm more of a Sabbahi kind of guy (I saw this week they want to prosecute him now, too, ha). So maybe that colours my judgement. But that judgement is based on a lot of other things, and I stand by it.

AlicetheKurious » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:30 pm wrote:President Sisi's statement was, in diplomatic-speak, a very clear and blunt statement that Egypt categorically REFUSES to send military forces to Yemen or Syria. Hint: the key word here is "direct".

So what if the Houthis fire more Scuds at KSA, like they did a few times last year? Or use artillery, as they've also done? Could that be portrayed as a direct threat? I don't suppose you've forgotten that last year the Saudis got the support they did in the air war in Yemen by calling on allies to help 'defend the holy cities' - the same line they used, just as laughably, during Desert Storm. Aggressor states always claim they're acting in self-defence.

And now we're only talking about the Houthis. What if there's increasing Shiite or MB agitation in the kingdom? Would that be a direct threat? And once Egyptian troops were committed, would they just go home at some point? That tends not to happen.

More broadly, I think the way I do because of the sheer amount of money the Saudis have dropped into Egypt in the last two and a half years. At a time when they're instituting taxes at home that Saudis have never had to pay. I'm sure you'll agree they want something back. What does Egypt have that the Saudis want? A massive construction sector and a massive army. They've got a nice share of the former, so, you know, I expect they'll get a slice of the latter as well. And all of this is related to the military gear that Egypt's been buying or talking of buying: 24 Dassault Rafales, 46 MiG-35s, a frigate and two helicopter carriers... That's not counter-terrorism kit. That is war gear. Enough to start fights in Arabia and Ethiopia, for dollars and water respectively.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:20 pm

stefano wrote:I'll readily admit I'm no fan at all of the current Egyptian government - I'm more of a Sabbahi kind of guy (I saw this week they want to prosecute him now, too, ha). So maybe that colours my judgement. But that judgement is based on a lot of other things, and I stand by it.


Ok, that struck my funny bone. You're a Sabbahi kind of guy? Why? You like his hair? You don't even understand his talk, which is all he does. He talks and talks, but never answers the one question so many people are asking: what does he do for a living? He hasn't been gainfully employed in many years, yet he lives quite well. He's a failed journalist, a failed actor, a failed politician. He used to travel around to visit Arab heads of state with deep pockets, such as Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafy, where he'd sing their praises in exchange for a fat cheque. He posed for years as a Nasserist, and he talked the talk, but when the Brotherhood took power he sucked up to them, by giving himself the right to go straight to MB headquarters and "apologize on behalf of all Nasserists" which prompted most genuine Nasserists (including Nasser's own family) to repudiate him. Once, when he was cornered, he said that he worked as a translator, which shows his appalling gall, since he doesn't speak any language other than Arabic. He's a clown and a coward and a liar and a bag of hot air, for sale to the highest bidder, with no principles whatsoever. So I'm really interested to hear what makes you "a Sabbahi kind of guy."

stefano wrote:So what if the Houthis fire more Scuds at KSA, like they did a few times last year? Or use artillery, as they've also done? Could that be portrayed as a direct threat? I don't suppose you've forgotten that last year the Saudis got the support they did in the air war in Yemen by calling on allies to help 'defend the holy cities' - the same line they used, just as laughably, during Desert Storm. Aggressor states always claim they're acting in self-defence.


Egypt didn't participate in the Yemen war because of what Saudi Arabia said, but because protecting the Bab El Mandab is a vital strategic and national security priority for Egypt. And that's all it's done. No boots on the ground, no nothing. Just air and naval defense in the Bab El Mandab. Personally, I think Egypt's been very clever; one US objective in the Yemen war was to use Saudi Arabia to lure Egypt into a quagmire, à la Vietnam. Instead of taking the bait, Egypt turned the tables and accepted the invitation in order to use the war as a pretext to establish a (permanent) naval presence at the Bab El Mandab, which would have been difficult otherwise.

stefano wrote:And now we're only talking about the Houthis. What if there's increasing Shiite or MB agitation in the kingdom? Would that be a direct threat? And once Egyptian troops were committed, would they just go home at some point? That tends not to happen.


The Egyptian army exists to defend Egypt's territory and vital national security only. A core part of that national security is preventing the dissolution of any Arab state, let alone one as weighty as Saudi Arabia. A few Scuds fired by the Houthis, or agitation by Saudi Shiites or MB doesn't qualify.

stefano wrote:More broadly, I think the way I do because of the sheer amount of money the Saudis have dropped into Egypt in the last two and a half years. At a time when they're instituting taxes at home that Saudis have never had to pay. I'm sure you'll agree they want something back. What does Egypt have that the Saudis want? A massive construction sector and a massive army. They've got a nice share of the former, so, you know, I expect they'll get a slice of the latter as well.


Nobody gets a slice of the Egyptian army, except Egypt. If you don't understand that, you'll keep misreading the situation, as you keep doing.

stefano wrote:And all of this is related to the military gear that Egypt's been buying or talking of buying: 24 Dassault Rafales, 46 MiG-35s, a frigate and two helicopter carriers... That's not counter-terrorism kit. That is war gear. Enough to start fights in Arabia and Ethiopia, for dollars and water respectively.


Of course it is war gear. For years, the US has been exerting massive pressure on Egypt to transform its large and powerful army into an "anti-terrorism force". Even for Mubarak, that was going too far. That is but one of the many reasons for the cold relations between the US and Egypt since around 2005. Another is the US' persistence in funneling tens of millions of dollars illegally to a number of Egyptian "activists" and training others to overthrow their government. Egypt is a large country with important resources and a number of powerful enemies engaging in every kind of warfare possible to see it destroyed, or at least crippled and dependent. Ethiopia is working to deprive Egypt of its only source of water, which would make Egypt, a country of 90 million people, uninhabitable. Egypt hasn't started any fights with anybody. On the contrary: Egypt respects and defends the sovereignty of every single country, and requires that other countries respect Egypt's. But all this aside, Egypt has just discovered gigantic natural gas fields inside its territory, the largest in the region, and there's a good chance of finding even more. Would you suggest that this is a good time for Egypt to prepare to defend itself and its resources, or downgrade its military capabilities?
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Postby IanEye » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:27 pm

AlicetheKurious » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:20 pm wrote:You're a Sabbahi kind of guy? Why?


Because Sabbathi smokes really killer weed.


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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby 82_28 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:15 pm

I'm just going to step in briefly and say let's keep this informative. I know that you guys are totally distant as far as the continent of Africa and proximity to the Middle East. However, arguments about whatever (which I know nothing about) would be great! Do not imply someone here is stupid (which is the way I read it). Just say what you have to say and don't get personal, you know? It's pretty easy and I know everyone here enjoys both what Alice and Stefano have to say. Most of us are in England, Canada and America. So bring it! :basicsmile
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Re: Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

Postby zangtang » Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:50 am

i'm naked in my seat cos i just got out of the shower - (its good for me to share) - i'm going to have to indulge in that vinum sabbathi later,
- it may or not be on the same wavelength as the black sabbath sung in Gregorian (well,half of it) chant.....

- but treat yourself! - at vey least, a fitting soun'track methinks, for the handbasket to hell.

i (kinda) console myself with the thought that the screaming will prolly last for a thousand years........then again, if the Ker-lang of the gates shutting fast, & its ringing in our ears
hits home as it should, they maybe a stunning absence of bleating within three to four seconds.........................................

If my disconnect is because i'm living in the future, feel free to track me down & kill me.


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