Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

[seemslikeadream]

Turkish border guards shooting Syrian refugees ‘daily’ – Amnesty Intl
Published time: 8 Mar, 2016 07:08

Turkish guards routinely shoot at Syrian refugees stranded at the border, a researcher at Amnesty International has told RT, adding that the number of people being shot has recently spiked. According to Andrew Gardner, these cases are far from being isolated.
“There have been many reports of incidents on the border. We collected information on this as early as 2014, when we received many reports of people being shot when they were trying to cross the border irregularly,” Gardner said.

He added that the current situation in war-torn Syria has led to a spike in the number of migrants being assaulted by Turkish border guards.

“Now, the information we received via Syria doctors is that there are reports of two or three people being shot every day trying to cross the border irregularly,” he said.

The researcher also stated that the plight of refugees in Syria has driven many of them into the “hands of smugglers,” or forced them to cross the border at night. According to Gardner, Turkish guards fire shots at refugees based on what they say are safety measures.

“What the Turkish parties have told us is that they don’t know who these people are, that people could be members of armed groups, they could be smugglers,” he said.

Gardner added that the only way to resolve the problem of the migrant flow was to make legal crossing points for refugees on the border with Turkey, and said Ankara “should not have to hold the responsibility for hosting refugees alone.” To alleviate the issue, the researcher urged EU members to accept bigger migrant quotas and advised Russia to accept more refugees from neighboring countries.

Late on Monday, Turkey and the EU struck a “game-changing” deal on resolving the refugee crisis in Europe. EU leaders agreed in principle to an Ankara-proposed plan to deport illegal migrants from Greece to Turkey while resettling the same number of Syrian refugees in the EU. In return, EU leaders promised Ankara an additional €3 billion (US$3.3 billion), hinting that further funding, as well as a speedy decision on a visa-free regime, could be expected. Ankara was reminded, however, that it would have to observe all 72 requirements to enjoy such a regime.

Turkey has stepped up its border security amid pressure from the US, following the November terror attacks in Paris. The US urged Ankara to close its border with Syria to halt the number of fighters seeking to join terrorist groups fighting there.

Damascus has accused Ankara of facilitating the cross-border movement of jihadists, while Moscow has directly accused the family of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of backing the illegal oil trade with Islamic State (IS, ISIS/ISIL) that involves Syrian and Iraqi oil being smuggling across the Turkish border.

Turkey is said to be hosting more than 2.5 million Syrian refugees.

[Sounder]

American Dream » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:58 pm wrote:Yes- jakell is your friend, he is an anti-fascist, and he would never, ever attempt to manipulate you.

A little projection from the culture jam master.


And what you point out searcher is accurate and therefor can only be run away from.

Can one tell the difference?

Sets himself up as an interrogating WitchFinder?
Posts masses of material he admits he has not even read
Posts the same piece multiple times
Admits he has very little life experience around actually combatting anti-Semitism
Supports and celebrates violence against the people he dislikes
Posts the same material multiple times
Gives Israel a free pass as a "Settler Colonialist state"
Avoids getting in factual debates
Argues by ad hominem and invoking "critical thinking" rather than displays it
Displays profound guilt by association behaviour "Six Degrees of David Icke"
Very seldom incorporates feedback
Gets suspended multiple times

Engages in debate
Brings excellent new material to the forum eg John Michael Greer
Provides real world experience of debating far right people in England
Supports action that works,
Doesn't engage in Otherings or CopyPasta Monsoons
Shows humour
Refuses to be put off by clouds of "fogweed"

[seemslikeadream]

you know what's wrong with you guys ...Jack ...Elvis......Jerky...you all are fucking lazy cowards....instead of coming here and posting ANYTHING .....anything at all of value ....controversial....new....interesting.....fun...WE GET NOTHING FROM YOU......and then you guys have the nerve to criticize the people that do post here...how fucking dare you....you all are very well capable of making this place what you want it to be.....instead all we get from you is chicken hearted posts...so fucking easy to show up post a couple of words and then the others come along and re post those SAME fucking words....you lazy ******* ********.....can't even take the time to use your own words to criticize me...criticize other people here....talk to the hand ....if you are not part of the family here ..if you are not taking the time to make this place what you think it should be.....then what fucking value are you here? What do you think your critique means to anyone here? You all have the opportunity to post something of substance...but you chose not to...you chose to be some melancholy old ladies wringing your hands ......."oh this place is not what it used to be" You all have the opportunity to ignore what you don't like....LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES

you all take a couple of threads and make it out like it is the total sum of this whole place....but guess what....that couldn't be further from the truth....it's a couple of threads out of hundreds of really great stuff....but do you ever compliment anyone here for anything?
no it is so much easier for you to come here and post your one line wonder trash ...well that ain't gonna cut it ...no one cares but your 5 member posse....get over yourselves....you all have been predicting the downfall of this place for years and we are all still here....and for some strange reason you all still keep reading.


oh and guess what I really used to like you all....even you Jack ....liked reading what the three of you would post back in the day .....not so much anymore.....all you guys seem to advocate for is boredom...don't rock the boat boredom...the RI doldrums.....taedium vitae!

Jack maybe you'd feel better if you just continued your moderation of the Israeli/Palestinian forum at Democratic Underground



just read all the subject lines of the OP's on the front page.....this is not the place you think it is...it is not the place you all what people to think it is

there are a lot of really really great people here contrary to your assessment


now I am ready for your wordsmithie come back trash talk about me .....cause I do not care

[seemslikeadream]

Slovenia and Serbia Close Borders to Refugees
Rishi Iyengar @Iyengarish 1:11 AM ET
Macedonia prevents Afghan migrants from crossing border
GEORGI LICOVSKI—EPA
Migrants from Iran and Afghanistan, returned from Slovenia, arrive at the border line between Macedonia and Greece, near Gevgelija, Macedonia, 23 February 2016.
The decision threatens to close off the so-called Balkans route to the thousands of refugees pouring into Europe daily

Slovenia tightened its border controls along the Balkans route leading into Western Europe on Tuesday, in an attempt to stem the flow of thousands of migrants seeking passage into the continent from Greece.

Only migrants with clear humanitarian concerns or those intending to seek asylum in Slovenia itself will be allowed entry, the BBC reported.

Following Slovenia’s announcement, Serbia reacted by imposing border restrictions of its own to prevent anyone without valid documents from entering from its neighbors Macedonia or Bulgaria.

“Serbia cannot afford to become a collection centre for refugees,” the country’s interior ministry said in a statement.

Macedonia has also cracked down severely at its border with Greece, where more than 13,000 migrants remain stranded and thousands more arrive each day. Austria, Hungary and Slovakia have also implemented similar blockades, jeopardizing the European Union’s passport-free Schengen region.
Over a million migrants, most of them from war-torn Syria, crossed over into Europe by sea last year in a desperate attempt to seek asylum. That number is projected to be surpassed this year, with close to 30,000 already having reached Greek and Italian shores in the first three months.

Leaders from the E.U. and Turkey are negotiating a deal that will involve the return to Turkey of migrants who enter the E.U.from its territory. Though talks are still in progress following a summit on Monday, the proposals have already been vigorously criticized by the UNHCR.

Vincent Cochetel, UNHCR’s Europe regional director said Tuesday: “The collective expulsion of foreigners is prohibited under the European Convention of Human Rights. An agreement that would be tantamount to a blanket return of any foreigners to a third country, is not consistent with European law, is not consistent with international law.”

[seemslikeadream]

MARCH 7, 2016
Colonialism Inverted: Israel’s War Against Liberal Democracy
by NEVE GORDON

A spate of draconic new laws, policies and regulations reinforced by incitement campaigns against the Palestinian citizens of Israel and, increasingly, Jewish liberals is leading very quickly to an inversion of Israel’s colonial project. If, in the past, one could say that Israel is colonizing the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, today the governing strategies developed and deployed by Israel in these occupied areas have infiltrated and colonized the pre-1967 Jewish State as well. Indeed, the colonial leviathan is recoiling inward.

The initial assault against the veneer of liberal democracy included the current government’s proposal of a new bill obligating human rights practitioners whose organizations receive foreign funding to wear tags when they participate in meetings at the Knesset or in other public venues. Then came the incitement campaign against the combat soldier group Breaking the Silence and other human rights organizations, which have since become routine in the political landscape. This was followed by the barring of a novel about a love affair between a Jewish woman and a Palestinian man from Israel’s high school curriculum, reportedly over concerns that it could encourage intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews. Finally, the civics curriculum in high schools is currently being revamped, and some of the basic concepts dealing with democracy are being removed only to be replaced with material that highlights Jewish identity and history.

As it turns out, however, this was only the siftah. The proposed “Loyalty in Culture” bill, which declares that the state will only fund art that is uncritical of the Zionist project, could have been lifted directly from Stalin’s Soviet Union. Drafted by Minister of Culture Miri Regev, the bill defines disloyal art as: “Denying the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state… support for an armed struggle or terror act by a hostile country or terror organization against the State of Israel; marking Independence Day as a day of mourning; an act of vandalism or physical degradation that dishonors the country’s flag or state emblem.”

According to film director Uri Rosenwaks, who until recently served as the Chairman of the Israeli Documentary Filmmakers Forum, “The lawmakers have managed to portray authors and artists who deal with issues such as human rights, occupation, and democracy as traitors. The twisted irony is that Miri Regev and other ministers are hoping that these very artists will criticize the new laws and regulations, because clamping down on anyone who is critical of Israeli policies gives these ministers credit among their constituency. The most dangerous thing that is currently happening is that criticism itself is increasingly being perceived as illegitimate.”

This move against artists is, however, parveh when compared to the hatred being directed toward Palestinian citizens of Israel, and particularly their representatives. It is quite rare for a day to pass without one inciting remark or another by politicians and political commentators against Israel’s minority, which constitutes 20 percent of the demos. Member of Knesset Hanin Zoabi is presented in Israeli media outlets as nothing less than Satan, while her colleagues in the Joint List are routinely characterized as terrorists, a fifth column, or traitors. The racism is so overt, frightening, and without shame that my Palestinian friends in Beer-Sheva have stopped turning on the television.

Indeed, on Monday, the Knesset Constitution Committee gave preliminary approval for the “Suspension Law,” which bestows upon (Jewish) Knesset Members the authority to judge whether the ideology of their (Palestinian) colleagues is kosher. And while the bill’s title uses the word suspension, it actually authorizes the Knesset to oust representatives whose behavior is “inappropriate”; namely, “negating the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state; inciting to racism; and supporting armed struggle by a hostile state or a terrorist organization against the State of Israel.”

Expressing any kind of support for Palestinian resistance in the West Bank and Gaza will serve as sufficient grounds for expulsion from the Knesset. The message is clear: if once formal (as opposed to real) equality was sanctioned and presented as desirable within pre-1967 Israel, today even formal equality is passé. The goal, as a Ha’aretz’s editorial claims, is “a Knesset without Arabs.”

And what about the Palestinian citizens inside Israel?

I recently drove to the Bedouin village Um al-Hiran, which is destined to be destroyed and replaced by a Jewish settlement called Hiran. Residents of Um-al-Hiram are, of course citizens of Israel. A few kilometers from Um al-Hiran, in the middle of a Jewish National Fund forest, about thirty religious families have been living in a makeshift gated community waiting patiently for the government to expel the Bedouin families from their homes.

During a recent visit to this makeshift Jewish community, I saw houses scattered around a playground and a nice kindergarten with joyful paintings on the exterior wall. Needless to say, this bucolic setting was both unnerving and surrealistic. On the web I found this picture of the people who are destined to dispossess the residents of Um Al-Hiran. They are all smiling, happy; they are West Bank settlers who have returned to Israel to colonize Bedouin land. The rooster has come back home to roost.

This article appeared in Al Jazeera.

[seemslikeadream]

That stream of Refugees into Europe? It includes Palestinians forced out by Israeli Occupation
By contributors | Mar. 9, 2016 |

By IMEMC | – –
Palestinians are joining the Middle East exodus to Europe in greater numbers because of the Syrian war and ongoing Israeli occupation, a senior Palestinian official has said.
Saeb Erekat, the secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), told EU Observer, from Ramallah, that “thousands” had already left for Europe.
“What other options have they? We have people dying of starvation in al-Yarmouk refugee camp [in Syria], and thousands of Palestinians leaving Syria and Lebanon trying to reach Europe,” he said, according to the PNN.
“The UN has said that Gaza will be unfit for human habitation by 2020, but Israel’s siege of Gaza continues.”
The Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza are home to some 4.5 million Palestinians.
Two million more live in refugee camps in Jordan in a legacy of wars in 1948 and 1967. Another 500,000 live in camps in Lebanon and a further 500,000 in Syria.
Frontex, the EU border control agency in Warsaw, said that just six Palestinians were intercepted trying to enter the EU via irregular crossings to Greece in January of last year, but that figure rose to 488 in August. It peaked at 1,747 in October, and stayed high (1,142) in January of this year, despite inclement weather.
The real number is likely to be much bigger because most Palestinians travel without ID papers, making them difficult to count.
Easo, the EU asylum agency in Malta, said that up to 19,000 Palestinians applied for asylum in the EU last year, compared with 15,680 in 2014 and 9,590 in 2013.
It said that most of them were “Palestinian ‘refugees’ or persons of Palestinian origin who were previously long term residents of countries now affected by the Syrian conflict.
It additionally stated that these people have a 53 percent to 87 percent chance of success, depending on which EU state handles their claim.
Israel ‘killing hope’
The number of Palestinians on the move is likely to go up if the spate of knife and car-ramming attacks on Israelis that has been going on since last year escalates into a full-scale uprising.
Erekat blames the instability on the Israeli occupation.
“[Israeli] prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his extremist government have done everything possible to kill hope in the minds and hearts of Palestinians. What they see on a daily basis are more settlements, land grabbing, checkpoints, siege, military raids, settler attacks and systematic denial of their rights,” he said.
He said the Arab-Israeli conflict also contributes to instability in Syria, the main source of the EU refugee crisis.
“You can’t defeat Daesh (ISIL) without ending the Israeli occupation,” he said, using an Arabic name for Islamic State, a jihadist group which controls parts of Syria and Iraq.
“Lack of hope could lead people to commit desperate acts like joining Daesh. Though the numbers of Palestinians joining them are minimal, this is not a situation that can be taken for granted.”
Sanctions call
The 60-year old Palestinian diplomat has served as the PLO’s chief negotiator in Arab-Israeli peace talks for most of the past 20 years.
He welcomed a French project to set a deadline for new peace talks after which France would recognise Palestine in its 1967 borders.
“Recognising Palestine is not going to end the occupation, but it’s a strong message to the Palestinian people in terms of support for their rights. European countries will be investing in peace,” he said.
He also welcomed an EU retail label code on settler food, wine, and cosmetics exports that was published last year. But he advocated tougher action.
“Effective actions against Israeli settlements are banning of settlement products, divestment and sanctions on companies profiting from the occupation,” he said.
Apartheid jibe
The UN and the EU advocate a two-state solution to the conflict.
Erekat said: “I sincerely don’t see any other solution but a two-state solution for the welfare of both Israelis and Palestinians.”
But, he added: “I personally think that Israel doesn’t want a two-state solution. The Israeli government believes in … one state with two systems, which means apartheid.”
He said Israel’s impunity in the EU and US is part of the problem.
“Radicals that could not even get close to the Knesset [the Israeli parliament] 20 years ago are now part of the government coalition. But I also believe that this [Israeli policy] has a lot to do with pragmatism: Israel has the feeling that no matter what, they’ll never be held accountable,” he said.
He said the only “morally acceptable” alternative to two states is “one single, democratic state in all of historic Palestine”.
‘Stop making excuses’
“If they don’t like the idea of two sovereign states living side by side, I call upon them to talk to us and let’s set the terms for a one-state solution. But they should not even dream that our people will accept anything short of … the right to self-determination, freedom,” Erekat said.
The one-state model would imperil Israel’s objective to be a “homeland of the Jews” in demographic terms.
Based on Erekat’s comments, EUobserver asked the Israeli mission to the EU if any models other than the two-state solution would be acceptable to Israel.
The mission asked for its statement to be published in full.
“Israel’s declared and unequivocal position is two states for two people,” the statement said.
“In order to achieve this, Mr. Erekat and his colleagues should engage in direct negotiations and stop making excuses as to why they can’t come to the table. Prime minster Netanyahu has repeatedly stated his willingness to restart direct talks – be it in Jerusalem or Ramallah. All other personal beliefs should be challenged in the negotiation room.”
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[Elvis]

you know what's wrong with you guys ...Jack ...Elvis......Jerky...you all are fucking lazy cowards....instead of coming here and posting ANYTHING .....anything at all of value ....controversial....new....interesting.....fun...WE GET NOTHING FROM YOU......and then you guys have the nerve to criticize the people that do post here...how fucking dare you....

I realize that you never criticize posts or posters here, and I'm sorry you're offended when I've done it.

you all are very well capable of making this place what you want it to be.....instead all we get from you is chicken hearted posts...so fucking easy to show up post a couple of words and then the others come along and re post those SAME fucking words....you lazy ******* ********.....can't even take the time to use your own words to criticize me...

My only criticism of you is that your feud with AD seems to lead you to welcome and encourage anyone who comes along disagreeing with AD, even if they're spouting KKK views. Where'd your discernment go?

criticize other people here....talk to the hand ....if you are not part of the family here ..if you are not taking the time to make this place what you think it should be.....then what fucking value are you here? What do you think your critique means to anyone here? You all have the opportunity to post something of substance...but you chose not to...you chose to be some melancholy old ladies wringing your hands ......."oh this place is not what it used to be" You all have the opportunity to ignore what you don't like....LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES

Then couldn't you just ignore me? Suddenly it's not so simple.

you all take a couple of threads and make it out like it is the total sum of this whole place....but guess what....that couldn't be further from the truth....it's a couple of threads out of hundreds of really great stuff....but do you ever compliment anyone here for anything?

It's more than a couple of threads. And if you look, you'll find many instances of me complimenting posters.

no it is so much easier for you to come here and post your one line wonder trash ...well that ain't gonna cut it ...no one cares but your 5 member posse....

I'm in a posse? With JackRiddler and Jerky? LOL.

get over yourselves....you all have been predicting the downfall of this place for years and we are all still here....and for some strange reason you all still keep reading.

I'm amazed at how few people here can see that this board is being played.

Thanks for all the good times. I'll be back in one year—if the forum is still here.

[seemslikeadream]

I'm sorry Elvis ..you just got caught in the cross fire between me and Jack by reposting what he had said...you know that was all about me don't you? I can't sneeze here without jack jacking off about it....and he calls me a drama queen....how many times have you huffed off jack saying good bye?....well there it is I was pissed at Jack. When I saw that you had started posting again ...you were gone for awhile...I thought oh great Elvis is back ..was very happy about that and then I read what you had posted ..it made me really sad that you would say those things about me and it hurt me coming from you...Jack's little hissy fit...well there you have it....you can not blame me for who shows up here...that's all on AD....he is a walking advertisement for them and it is not my job to regulate this place.....I only went after AD because he actually has said very awful things about me in the past....the others I have no personal beef with...I don't have the time or inclination to keep an eye on everyone you'd like me to watch

[Wombaticus Rex]

you know what's wrong with you guys ...Jack ...Elvis......Jerky...you all are fucking lazy cowards....instead of coming here and posting ANYTHING .....anything at all of value ....controversial....new....interesting.....fun...WE GET NOTHING FROM YOU......and then you guys have the nerve to criticize the people that do post here...how fucking dare you....you all are very well capable of making this place what you want it to be.....instead all we get from you is chicken hearted posts...so fucking easy to show up post a couple of words and then the others come along and re post those SAME fucking words....you lazy ******* ********.....can't even take the time to use your own words to criticize me...criticize other people here....talk to the hand ....if you are not part of the family here ..if you are not taking the time to make this place what you think it should be.....then what fucking value are you here? What do you think your critique means to anyone here? You all have the opportunity to post something of substance...but you chose not to...you chose to be some melancholy old ladies wringing your hands ......."oh this place is not what it used to be" You all have the opportunity to ignore what you don't like....LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES

I appreciate the intentions behind this rant but you've gotta take a week off.

[Joe Hillshoist]

he hasn't said anything yet about the pyramids in Egypt or the moon landing so who knows

Still don't agree with his channeling The Protocols of the Elders of Zion either.

and now that AD has finally starting to become a more reasonable person here I guess you have to channel his old warn out mantle?

Since solace is gone and AD doesn't do the dirty work any longer I suppose it's your turn..... someone has to....thanks for stepping up

gee and it only took 17 pages to produce that fucking bullshit

There is a massive difference between Zionism - the Jewish nationalist movement associated with the creation and expansion of Israel, and a Russian hoax blaming every political event in history on a nefarious conspiracy by an evil cabal of Jews.

Whatever his name is is constantly doing this. On the basis of what? His itchy jocks? The stars? the tea leaves in his coffee?

He never provides anything regarding analysis of why this could be the case, never proposes alternative ideas then criticises them, never points out potential flaws in his own writing and alternatives if these flaws prove to much for his main conclusions. He is a polemicist pushing a point of view whatever the facts and accepting that uncritically is foolish. And not what this place used to be about.

I know you aren't able to respond to this right now (i just read the end of the thread). Hopefully when you are back we can continue this discussion.

[coffin_dodger]

Joe H said:

There is a massive difference between Zionism - the Jewish nationalist movement associated with the creation and expansion of Israel, and a Russian hoax blaming every political event in history on a nefarious conspiracy by an evil cabal of Jews.

Whatever his name is is constantly doing this. On the basis of what? His itchy jocks? The stars? the tea leaves in his coffee?

He never provides anything regarding analysis of why this could be the case, never proposes alternative ideas then criticises them, never points out potential flaws in his own writing and alternatives if these flaws prove to much for his main conclusions. He is a polemicist pushing a point of view whatever the facts and accepting that uncritically is foolish. And not what this place used to be about.

Hope you don't mind me barging in.

I watched a newish BBC documentary about Himmler earlier today (Storyville - Himmler, The Decent One) - and I really, really don't want to see any real form of Fascism or Nazism rear it's ugly head again in what remains of my lifetime. I'd rather my children, grandchildren etc. avoided it too, to be frank. Fascism and Nazism is a state of mind that scares me rigid. Order; total subservience to State; constant Total War mentality; elimination of 'undesirables'; indoctrination of minors etc

But equally, the other extreme - anti-fascism - scares me too. In many ways, it scares me more than Fascism. Here's why:

Fascism and Nazism are spent forces. They had their turn and are now past. We know them for what they are and they were an awful failure.

Nazism was slyly promoted and implemented back in the mid 1920's to mid 1930's by use of a simple underlying message: "there are some people that live amongst us who are the cause of all of our societal ills". It didn't start out with "Kill them all! Burn their houses! - it started with 'this is the problem'. We all know where it eventually led to.

I'm concerned that Anti-fascism is piggybacking, on the back of Nazism - towards an endstate similar to that which Nazi Germany found itself consumed by in the early 40's - an overwhelming desire and need to rid itself of 'the problem'.

The ridiculing of opponents from both ends of the spectrum (from the Nazis in the late 1920's/30's in Germany, from the Anti-Fascists now) is almost identical. For instance - "Whatever his name is is constantly doing this" clearly shows that your contempt for this person is so strong that you will not even identify this person as a person.

Here's what I see, daily, posted on this forum by AD:

Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - Jewish people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - Muslim people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - gay people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - transgender people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - black people is problematic
Anyone who likes the idea of a Nation State is problematic
Anyone who is a Christian is problematic
Anyone who doesn't unconditionally welcome refugees is problematic
Anyone who draws a conclusion that Anti-Fascists may be extremists - is problematic
Anyone who is white that doesn't feel the need to self-flagellate is problematic
Anyone who isn't an anti-Fascist is a Fascist or Crypto-Fascist and is problematic.

I've missed some, I'm sure.

Do you see where this is heading?

[tapitsbo]

yeah except the "coalition" you're suggesting, has lost an unbelievable amount of momentum for a plethora of reasons

[American Dream]

Translation: crypto-racist/fascist types need bigotry and they resort to straw man excuses to try to justify their scapegoating.

Third positionists and their ilk seem to be amongst the worst in this respect. Their excuses are clumsy, but they return to them like moths to the flame.

[coffin_dodger]

Translation: crypto-racist/fascist types need bigotry and they resort to straw man excuses to try to justify their scapegoating.

Third positionists seem to be amongst the worst in this respect. Their excuses are clumsy, but they return to them them just the same.

AD, could you be so kind as to translate the above comment into something that doesn't use buzzwords like 'straw man' and 'third positionists', so that I can fully understand what you're saying.

Also, the use of the word 'types' is dismissive, derogatory - and again, a fairly typical choice of descriptor for opponents in both the Fascist and anti-Fascist mindset.

[American Dream]

AD, could you be so kind as to translate the above comment into something that doesn't use buzzwords like 'straw man' and 'third positionists', so that I can fully understand what you're saying.

No.



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