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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:42 pm

So...

...billionaires, tech CEOs and top members of the Republican establishment hold an emergency meeting...

...about how to accomplish an important political goal...

...and they invite Karl Rove? Do these guys want to win or just spend money? Jesus Christ.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby peartreed » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:46 pm

(An exercise in alliterative angst)

Lurkers listening to the U.S. election laugh track are learning Trump’s legacy is a looming legend of loss, a litmus test of a lurching lunacy across the land.

The question of this candidate’s competence creates a crazy I.Q. quiz for the entire country.

But the baffling boosters bowing to this obnoxious buffoon and bestowing bouquets at his boots are mind-boggling!

Foreigners fail to fathom the phenomenon.

Is the public perception possibly so patently purile?

Documented data draws the demographics of Drumpf disciples as under-educated, under-achieving, uber conservative urbanites that are mostly male, mainly non-mainstream, mixed-Caucasian and menacingly anti-establishment. Many are miffed with the political PTB to the point of impotent apoplexy, prepared to appoint any apolitical applicant poised preening to occupy and plunder the most powerful office.

The operative word is apoplexy. Psychologists point out that preferences pinned on emotion are almost impossible to dispel with plain logic. The megalomaniac who has marketed himself as The Hero Hairdo is here to help the hapless and hopeless, whip up the wonderstruck and awaken a wonderful white supremacy society.

He invokes early indoctrination of infantile fantasies involving simplistic superhero solutions – a cartoon caped crusader - singing a siren song of, “Send In The Clowns”. Emotional ecstasy.

One juvenile jury justifying his poll jumping is GLP, an online joint for junior jerks jousting and genuflecting at his feet. It’s aglow with ignorant, gullible gushing over Trump’s every ugly utterance, each eviscerating insult earning orgasmic ovation, and an outpouring of obscenities upon any objecting “shills” and “libs” who dare defy Donald or any dedicated dupe of his divine destiny.

The lightning rod of rage seems to have reignited a new reign, a retrogressive American Revolution, a rebellion reinventing itself and its fathers by finding a new Fuhrer.

The formation of such a fool’s fiefdom would finally fulfill our worst fears.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby justdrew » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:35 am

America's just trolling trump, giving him inch by inch, finally... enough rope.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:15 am

(An exercise in alliterative angst)


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:10 am

So there was a mob scene at a Trump rally.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/rachel- ... -accident/

The Republican front-runners’ remarks also run counter to documented instances where his supporters have attacked non-violent demonstrators. Maddow said Trump’s rhetoric matches “a classic strong man political tactic” more commonly seen in other countries.

“Violence at these events, which may start organically, is in effect spot lit and encouraged to the point where it becomes something that is legitimately out of control of anyone,” she explained. “And then the spectacle of political violence is itself seen as something that is a problem that needs to be solved by this strongman character who incited the initial event in the first place.”
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:12 am

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:42 pm wrote:So...

...billionaires, tech CEOs and top members of the Republican establishment hold an emergency meeting...

...about how to accomplish an important political goal...

...and they invite Karl Rove? Do these guys want to win or just spend money? Jesus Christ.


I missed this the first time around. Very funny.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:23 am

The "best" breakdown of what went down last night:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... re-arrest/

CBS exclusive or something.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:21 pm

Germany's Trump-like problem: Right-wing, anti-foreigner movement poised for big election win
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Alexander Gauland, left, and Andre Poggenburg are candidates for the far-right Alternative for Germany party, which is expected to have a strong showing in Sunday's state elections. (Sean Gallup / Getty Images)

By Erik Kirschbaum

March 12, 2016

A populist far-right German party that has fiercely attacked the government for letting in more than a million refugees in the last year is expected to be the big winner in three important state elections Sunday that will serve as a referendum on Chancellor Angela Merkel's controversial open-door policies.

The party has aimed its appeal to German voters with a shrill anti-foreigner bent that has some similarities to Donald Trump's bid to win the Republican nomination for U.S. president.

The Alternative for Germany party, or AfD, has campaigned hard against refugees streaming into the country, mostly from Syria and Iraq, and it has surged in public opinion polls from about 3% last summer to as high as 20% ahead of elections in three of Germany's 16 states. That is far above the 4.7% the AfD won in the 2013 federal election just half a year after it was formed mainly to oppose Europe's single currency, the euro, and the expensive European Union financial bailouts to Greece.

Political leaders across the board say there is zero chance of the AfD taking power in the states of Baden-Wuerttemberg, Rhineland-Palatinate or Saxony-Anhalt because the other four mainstream parties running in those states have vowed to reject any kind of a coalition with it. Still, the AfD's projected electoral triumphs have upset the political establishment in Germany.

The party's success could give Merkel a black eye in the most important German elections this year ahead of the 2017 federal election. It may also make it harder for the other parties to pull together 50% of the seats in the state assemblies to form working coalitions after the bellwether vote.

"These state elections and the increasing strength of the AfD could cause a considerable amount of uncertainty for Merkel," said Thorsten Hasche, a political scientist at Goettingen University. "It's usually only state issues that decide these elections, but this time it's all been turned into a referendum on Merkel's refugee policies."

Hasche said the AfD, which is polling between 10% in the rural western state of Rhineland-Palatinate — where a major U.S. air base and about 60,000 Americans are stationed — and 20% in the impoverished eastern state of Saxony-Anhalt, has succeeded in tapping support from frustrated voters with low incomes and education the same way that Trump has attracted many such voters in the United States. Along with Baden-Wuerttemberg, those states collectively are home to 17 million of Germany's 82 million residents.

"Trump has won over voters who are disappointed with the establishment, and the AfD has won over voters disappointed with mainstream parties," he said.

A number of small postwar far-right parties have emerged in Germany, but because of the country's Nazi past they by and large have been repudiated after surges in support to as high as 10%. None have held seats in any state or federal government, and support for most all but collapsed within a few years.

AfD leader Frauke Petry, a 40-year-old chemist and businesswoman, has not shied away from breaking taboos and making outlandish statements that especially resonate among far-right voters. She has aggressively attacked Merkel's open-door policies on refugees and warned about the perils to German identity in the face of so many Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans and others fleeing wars and violence who are pouring into the country.

"The only thing I can say about the AfD is that they say no to a lot of things but never offer any concrete solutions," said Merkel in a radio interview Friday in Saxony-Anhalt at the end of a campaign in which she has worked hard to thwart the upstart party. "But the voters are obviously concerned and they see that the refugee issue hasn't been resolved, and they have the impression that we haven't found solutions for all the problems."

Petry has raised concerns among some people for calling for more border guards to prevent refugees from illegally entering the country and for urging guards to use guns as a deterrent if necessary. The position drew some praise from the far right but widespread condemnation in a country that was long divided by walls and East German border guard shootings of people trying to flee to West Germany during the Cold War.

"She latches onto an issue and makes statements that no one dared to make before, just like Trump," said Thomas Jaeger, a political scientist at Cologne University. "It's all a bit too shrill for some people but music to the ears of others — saying things like 'shooting refugees at the border' or 'build the wall to Mexico.' They both appeal to voters who are fed up with what is politically correct."

Jaeger said both are also attracting large numbers of voters who in the past had not bothered to cast ballots. "She's attracting not only those on the far right but also doing well in the demographic groups of those with decent jobs who nevertheless feel foreigners and refugees coming in are the competition."


This is the real reason why Trump is seriously dangerous. I can understand, to some degree, how some people here see Trump as less dangerous than Clinton in a strictly political sense: Hillary is the neo-con devil we know, and there's no question the status quo sucks. Knowing that, and knowing the most likely alternative in the general election will be Donald Jesusfuckingchrist Trump, you've got to ask yourself: would changing the status quo probably make things worse? Has what you've seen so far from Trump really seem much better? Yes, politically, Trump might not be that much of a change in the status quo: it's extremely doubtful Congress would rubberstamp his Beautiful Yuuge Wall or his ban on Muslims entering the country, among other of his odious proposals. But culturally I think Trump has already proven to be significantly worse than the status quo. Just through his frontrunner status as the likely GOP nominee, he is legitimizing xenophobia in ways that are resonating throughout the globe. If he were to actually be elected - magnify that legitimization a hundred-fold.

I don't fear Trump bringing real fascism in the form of a totalitarian police state to the USA - more likely to see, in the wake of an obstructing Congress and the realization that being a sitting President doesn't pay all that much, Trump pull a Palin and resign sometime in 2018 for more lucrative prospects. But if, to use a really base analogy (or a dark humor mixed metaphor), Jesus Christ was a fascist, then Donald Trump is not Jesus Christ. But he might be John the Baptist. This incendiary mix of racist rhetoric, xenophobic policies and demagogic demonizing of "the other" is a perfect recipe for creeping fascism to become permanent. How the fuck could anyone here think voting for someone who openly advocates torture and shutting down the internet couldn't possibly be a worse danger than the status quo? If someone like that can get elected now, imagine how much worse candidates we'll have to "choose" from when global liquid fuel production is in permanent decline, our coastlines are literally underwater and rising global temperatures affect our capacity to grow enough crops to feed everyone. Kunstler's "corn-pone Nazi" is just Trump: The Next Generation.

Personally, I think Nordic/George Carlin has the right idea about our bullshit "choice". My take - A vote for Hillary: keep up the great ass-rape from the last eight years! A vote for Drumpf: we need our asses raped much harder and a whole lot deeper!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:36 pm

I don't entirely disagree, except... foreign policy. The regime change doctrine. Libya, Iraq and Syria. Russia.

But then I'm not American. I'm not in it.
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Postby semper occultus » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:39 pm

....the US's basic infrastructure is rotting to bits, there's an apparently chronic need to provide economically & socially rewarding work for vast swathes of Americans and after what will soon be a decade of fire-hosing free money into Wall Street all efforts to try to bring the economy back to some semblance of normality appear to have proved a total failure ...can't anyone join the fucking dots...?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:54 pm

Many of us are connecting the dots and you are exactly right. While definitely not right wing or a drumpf supporter at all and I really should let him speak for himself -- however last night 8bit and I talked at some length and he sorta welcomes a drumpf presidency as a kind of "purge". I see his point but I am just concerned at the immediate ramifications and further precedent it would set. Everybody I know is Sanders all the way as he is the most ideal and sorta realistic best of both worlds, but who are we kidding? It probably won't happen. We are midway through the madness that seems to be the looking glass that America has become or perhaps always has been in the process of going through.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:07 pm

kool maudit » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:36 pm wrote:I don't entirely disagree, except... foreign policy. The regime change doctrine. Libya, Iraq and Syria. Russia.

But then I'm not American. I'm not in it.



Yeah I'd rather have the guy who has expressed an interest in NOT starting WW3 with Russia. Even Sanders bandied about the insane notion about "Russian aggression" and how she must be "contained" and all of that, with nobody at all discussing what the rest of the world knows is the greatest threat to what little world peace there is -- the US fucking A.

Seriously, Obama has tried, and tried really hard, to start war with Russia. Repeatedly. And the only think stopping it so far is the brilliant and sober reactions of Putin.

Not that I want Trump, I don't want any of them. In voting a Green.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:23 am

This is from a user on the Green Party discussion page on fb:

I got an email from the Tea Party today (I somehow got on its list) where the subject line was "Overthrow the Government." The mailing opened with a line about Trump's Militias gathering. Now this is one of the main Tea Party sites. I share this as an alert. We may be witnessing the makings of a coup or a full-fledged civil war.
He's calling for protests against Bernie Sanders rallies (read: violent threat to Democratic Party rallies). The Republicans are about to avoid nominating him through procedure. There will be riots in the streets. Trump isn't truly a conservative, Christian Republican. He's a New Yorker! Fox News is falling out of favor because Meagan Kelley stood up to Trump. Now they aren't extreme enough. There is no good second choice. This cat is out of the bag.
Rise of the Trump Militia: Group Vows to Protect Supporters Following Clashes
(RT.com) – Following scuffles at a Trump rally in Chicago on Friday and hours after a man attempted to charge his stage in Ohio, a Twitter account appeared announcing the formation of a volunteer group to protect Trump supporters from “violent far-left agitators.” Things got tense again at a Trump r…
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It seems as though tea party dot org is reposting RT stories now.

I don't agree with the original post imagining full-fledged civil war, but this is one more bit of evidence supporting the theory that trumpism in 2016 parallels the nazi party circa 1931 or '32. I don't think it will go down like a civil war; I think it's much more likely that a tiny volunteer civil service will use brutality and fear to gain power and recruits, and will come for the most marginalized of groups first so that neoliberals and liberals ignore the situation until it's out-of-hand.

on edit: the militia is named "The Lion's Guard."
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