TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[82_28]

Say the motherfucker does get into office. He can't wear that ugly bargain basement hat around everywhere, no? Because his ugly hair would embarrassingly fly around in outdoor appearances.

[FourthBase]

Like Trump says, either you have a country or you don't, and if I was an American I would be wishing I didn't.

I'm an American. I'm not wishing that.

[backtoiam]

Like Trump says, either you have a country or you don't, and if I was an American I would be wishing I didn't.

I'm an American. I'm not wishing that.

Me too fourthbase. I like my neighborhood just fine the way it is. My neighbors seem happy too. I like safety. I'm proud to have a country, state, county, town, and a neighborhood to live in. I hope the globalists psychos don't blow it up because then I would have no place to live.

I guess that makes you and me a fucking white nationalist.

(i don't know if you are white or not, i'm just using you as a prop, forgive me)

How come a person that wants to protect the border of their country from infiltration, which if infiltrated would lead to their state, which would lead to their town, which would lead to their neighborhood being over run, bombed, ransacked, and looted, and pillaged, has to be a white cracker?

What about about the black man, brown man, and yellow man that would like to feel secure in his environment? Is he a "black nationalist" or a "brown nationalist" or a "yellow asian nationalist."???

Sup with that? Why does wishing for a strong border and family safety make a person a "white" nationalist? Are crackers the only people that want to feel safe? My colored friends would disagree because they want to be safe too.

(Uh oh, there goes another uppity white cracker pretending to have colored friends and invoking the old "i have colored friends card again." We know that racist cracker ain't got no colored friends.)

the world is a trip aint it....

[tapitsbo]

"Globalism" IS American in the sense it is usually used and America is globalist. America was explicitly white supremacist during the era in which it could be meaningfully called "nationalist". I think that's the connection. What is funny to me is how the racial activist antifa left are obsessed with preserving a country founded by genocidal white men centuries ago yet they love ruminating about the defunct regimes of Lenin and Hitler, as is their typical Manichaean manner.

"White" and "nation" are both fuzzy ideas and white nationalism in its clumsier forms is something those who would love to see you guys completely disenfranchised applaud with sniggering approval. The homeland security talk made me LOL though.

Globalist ideologues in their current currents definitely are not down with family safety, btia. They see what you would likely consider the family as a form of violence against the technocratic therapeutic/managerial State even if they don't put it in exactly those terms or at the very least as a problematic form of appropriation, rape, against the community etc. Check out Adam Kotsko for starters... The people I'm talking about aren't mainstream of course but they are a sort of vanguard with their own forms of institutional power. Some of their fringe want children to have autonomous sexual agency, many would only allow politically approved adults to be caregivers, and they definitely frown on certain groups reproducing.

[backtoiam]

"Globalism" IS American in the sense it is usually used. America was explicitly white supremacist during the era in which it could be meaningfully called "nationalist".

"White" and "nation" are both fuzzy ideas and white nationalism in its clumsier forms is something those who would love to see you guys completely disenfranchised applaud with sniggering approval. The homeland security talk made me LOL though.

Globalist ideologues in their current currents see definitely are not down with family safety, btia. They see the family as a form of violence against the technocratic therapeutic/managerial State even if they don't put it in exactly those terms. Check out Adam Kotsko for starters...

Clumsy? Ya reckon? Damn we got every color of person on the planet, damn near it, living in the U.S. but according to the AD, riddler, type reports its only the "white" nationalist supremacist that wants to feel safe. All the other colors are content to be over run and be raped, I guess, if I understand his logic correctly.

One of my best friends is a black man, yes its true, and I can assure you that his black nationalist ass don't want nobody busting into his neighborhood either.

[tapitsbo]

I'll let you fill in the blanks as far as what AD would say about that. Let's just say a lot of people of colour aren't on board with the whole AD style of politics which has its own specific history and once had a lot more momentum

Of course we already talked about the concept of safe spaces on the segregation thread which are themselves analogous to borders and to private property in a way

Personally I don't see why especially the post 9/11 US gov't would make anyone feel safe whether they are white or not.

[backtoiam]

I'm gonna unload this question right now because its been bugging me. The article I posted in jack's thread about the improv....the article I posted about the two eyewitness accounts of the Chicago Trump Rally. The dude said, "antifa was there."

I just thought antifa was an abbreviation for Anti Fascist but he talked about it like it was really a specific group of virile activists. I could be wrong but I think he alluded to it as being a latino based group.

Whats up with that? Is this group what AD does or are these two different things. I'm confused on that. I shit you not.

[tapitsbo]

It's way broader than AD's stuff. For example, the Russian government and the Syrian opposition claim to be "anti-fascist" but it strikes me they mean something different altogether from Western antifa and from each other. This territory is baroque, no doubt about it.

[backtoiam]

There were Antifa, with their face masks, roaming around at this point. They also appeared to be Mexican.

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This.

Who exactly was he talking about? Is antifa latin? Something about all this seems ambiguous and I know for a fact that I don't totally understand it and that is apparent to me.

[tapitsbo]

It's not an implicitly latino term, no. Of course hispanic people would likely be involved in antifa stuff regarding Trump but it is ironic since literal hispanic racial nationalist groups are well embedded in US politics.

Anti-fascism in the contemporary West is basically just about shutting down white identity politics at the same time as it is ultimately interested in quarantining the people it identifies as white.

[backtoiam]

god damn i'm glad i'm not a racist because just trying to keep up with everybody i hate and why would take a fucking PHD in terminology.

[tapitsbo]

You're a racist for asking these questions according to those who have authority over the meaning of the term (or conceivably for being a white guy who identifies different people as belonging to different races, etc.)

Your emotional state has nothing to do with it.

Of course I never would have delved into any of this if it weren't for RI. Thanks guys.

[backtoiam]

Well i'll be damned. 25 years ago the man was saying the same thing he is saying today. Who knew. Maybe he actually means it. This is a fucked up world.

[Sounder]

Wombat wrote...

I love the fact Corey's response is we should not stop Trump? That tunnel vision is exactly the problem, so it is wild to see it used as a direct response to the diagnosis!

The point isn't that the Left "shouldn't stop Trump," the point is that the Left doesn't have a toolkit for doing that. The entire vocabulary of activism at their disposal is not equal to the task -- but it is tailor-made for inflaming Trump's base further, as well as pushing more people towards him. And because Corey Robin can't see that, he's going to keep advocating for more of the same. Eloquently and intelligently, as he does.

"What do you mean, our rhetoric is divisive? We're more united than ever!"

The 'Left' does nothing to help people pay their bills, indeed anyone but left ideologues considers that the 'left' mostly creates more bills to pay.

And what Nordic said.

[Luther Blissett]

"Anti-fascists" are just activists against violent, genocidal power. There is no broad organization.