TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[Sounder]

kool maudit » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:43 am wrote:

Americans in America may do well to consider all the rest but for me this election is a referendum on the Middle Eastern regime change doctrine.

Americans in America consider this to be a referendum on lack of value of Globalism, from which regime change doctrine is derived.

(And as I said before, the 'left' is being dupifyed into insisting that the anti-interventionist masses are 'racists'.)

Americans know full well the negative value that folk like Victoria Nuland bring to our table, and unfortunately Donald Trump is the option provided for expressing that widespread distaste.

[kool maudit]

kool maudit » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:43 am wrote:

Americans in America may do well to consider all the rest but for me this election is a referendum on the Middle Eastern regime change doctrine.

Americans in America consider this to be a referendum on lack of value of Globalism, from which regime change doctrine is derived.

(And as I said before, the 'left' is being dupifyed into insisting that the anti-interventionist masses are 'racists'.)

Americans know full well the negative value that folk like Victoria Nuland bring to our table, and unfortunately Donald Trump is the option provided for expressing that widespread distaste.

I didn't mean that to sound as dismissive as it likely did. I only meant that I, as a non-American in Europe, see US foreign policy as the key issue currently in their air in this election.

[JackRiddler]

kool maudit » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:43 am wrote:

Americans in America may do well to consider all the rest but for me this election is a referendum on the Middle Eastern regime change doctrine.

Americans in America consider this to be a referendum on lack of value of Globalism, from which regime change doctrine is derived.

(And as I said before, the 'left' is being dupifyed into insisting that the anti-interventionist masses are 'racists'.)

Americans know full well the negative value that folk like Victoria Nuland bring to our table, and unfortunately Donald Trump is the option provided for expressing that widespread distaste.

Oh FFS, the guy who's going to "build a wall and MAKE MEXICO PAY" and "cut off the head of ISIS and TAKE THEIR OIL" is the anti-interventionist option! And the crowds who howl when he trash-talks Mexicans and wants to bar entry to "Muslims" and tells them to put protesters on a stretcher are being slandered.

Trump's programmatic campaign ad, #1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAJrT8PeOo


What do you think Victoria Nuland's name recognition is among primary voters, let alone Americans? (My estimate for name recognition of various people and concepts among primary voters at this stage would be: Trump and Clinton 100%, Sanders 80%, "Wall Street" as meaning the big banks 70%, Nuland 1%, "globalism" 3%. Synonyms for neoliberal policies such as "trade deals" would probably hit 40% though. Let's finance a scientific poll to settle this question!)

[Sounder]

I didn't mean that to sound as dismissive as it likely did. I only meant that I, as a non-American in Europe, see US foreign policy as the key issue currently in their air in this election.

No, no, you sounded just fine. I agree that foreign policy is the key issue 'currently in the air', as you say. And while most Americans may be hazy on the particulars, (lots of fog about), broadly they do recognize that neo-cons and neo-liberals are all Globalist hacks.

[Luther Blissett]

kool maudit » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:43 am wrote:

Americans in America may do well to consider all the rest but for me this election is a referendum on the Middle Eastern regime change doctrine.

Americans in America consider this to be a referendum on lack of value of Globalism, from which regime change doctrine is derived.

(And as I said before, the 'left' is being dupifyed into insisting that the anti-interventionist masses are 'racists'.)

Americans know full well the negative value that folk like Victoria Nuland bring to our table, and unfortunately Donald Trump is the option provided for expressing that widespread distaste.

Oh FFS, the guy who's going to "build a wall and MAKE MEXICO PAY" and "cut off the head of ISIS and TAKE THEIR OIL" is the anti-interventionist option! And the crowds who howl when he trash-talks Mexicans and wants to bar entry to "Muslims" and tells them to put protesters on a stretcher are being slandered.

Trump's programmatic campaign ad, #1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAJrT8PeOo


What do you think Victoria Nuland's name recognition is among primary voters, let alone Americans? (My estimate for name recognition of various people and concepts among primary voters at this stage would be: Trump and Clinton 100%, Sanders 80%, "Wall Street" as meaning the big banks 70%, Nuland 1%, "globalism" 3%. Synonyms for neoliberal policies such as "trade deals" would probably hit 40% though. Let's finance a scientific poll to settle this question!)

My friend from Oregon is guest lecturing in Florida this week and her students are quizzing her about the popularity of Sanders on the west coast, saying they're not told much about him in the media, nor is he discussed on their social media platforms.

[Iamwhomiam]

The 2016 US election is more about domestic policy than our foreign policy. The focus this term is upon winning control of the Supreme Court.

[tapitsbo]

I am not sure why Trump's victory would entail a break with the likes of Nuland.

[backtoiam]

Donald Trump Works His Magic on a Frustrated AIPAC
Nathan GuttmanMarch 21, 2016

Washington – Proving his critics wrong once again, Donald Trump entered Tuesday an arena potentially packed with skeptical Jewish pro-Israel activists, and worked his magic on them.

Early warnings of protests and boycotts turned out to be overstated, as Trump, in his first teleprompter-read speech on the campaign trail, threw out one applause line after the other, ranging from criticism of the nuclear deal with Iran to direct attacks at President Obama.

And all in his signature Trump style.

“Hillary Clinton, who is a total disaster by the way, she and President Obama have treated Israel very, very badly,” Trump said, adding that under his presidency, “the days of treating Israel like a second-class citizen will end.”

Jewish liberals and centrists had hoped Trump’s AIPAC speech would unite the community in a clear rejection to Trump and what they view as his troubling messages on race, minorities, immigration, and violence. But instead, the pro-Israel lobby awarded the New York billionaire with an embrace. It was slightly less warm than those Trump receives at his raucous, countrywide rallies, but the audience, excited by his forceful, pro-Israel presentation, forgave his past comments and heated rhetoric.

Hardly anybody walked out as Trump took the stage at the Verizon Center in Washington. Protesters in the arena were few and did not draw much attention. A small group of Reform rabbis, led by Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, left the hall before Trump began to speak and studied Jewish texts outside. “We were disappointed but not surprised that Mr. Trump did nothing tonight to allay our deep concerns about his campaign,” Jacobs said afterwards. “It still seems that he does not share our values of equality, pluralism, and humility.” Outside the sports hall, a small group of demonstrators peacefully protested Trump and AIPAC for inviting him.

But from the revolving stage at the center of the arena, Trump, who is used to protests during his rallies, could easily chalk down his AIPAC performance as one of the quietest events to date.

The Donald, as some supporters like to refer to him, pushed all the right buttons to activate the pro-Israel crowd’s enthusiastic response. He presented a three-pronged plan to deal with Iran in a post-nuclear deal situation, assuring the audience that he studied the agreement “more than anyone else” and that, as president, he would move to “dismantle” the accord. He also placed the blame for the lack of any movement on the Middle East peace process squarely on the Palestinians.

“Their heroes,” he said, “are those who murder Jews”: another applause line. Trump also threw in the promise to move the United States embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, a standard pledge for all Republican presidential candidates.

Compared to his usual stump speech, Trump spent more time on policy than on politics, but this relative caution was unnecessary. The crowd loved it when he took direct shots at the administration and President Obama, whom he described as the “worst thing to ever happen to Israel.” Trump offered an outlet to an audience of pro-Israel activists recovering from their fierce fight against the Obama administration over the Iranian nuclear deal, winning rounds of applause after stating: “President Obama, in his final year – yay!”

Entering the AIPAC event, Trump was seen as wavering on some key issues relating to Israel, mainly his pledge to remain “neutral” when it comes to brokering a peace accord between Israel and the Palestinians. During the AIPAC conference Trump came under attack from all the other candidates who addressed the forum for this statement, but in his speech he offered no explanation or retraction. Instead, Trump, stated that “The Palestinians must come to the table knowing that the bond between the United States and Israel is absolutely unbreakable.”

Another stumble occurred just hours before Trump spoke to AIPAC. During a press conference in Washington he was asked if Israel would also be required to pay the U.S. for its military support, just like Trump promised to demand from South Korea, Japan and Germany. “I think Israel will do that also,” he responded, seemingly questioning the foundation of the pro-Israel advocacy efforts carried out by AIPAC. But later, asked by reporters to clarify, Trump walked back the comment.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/3 ... ard%20Toda

[backtoiam]

Donald Trump's Speech to AIPAC - Transcript
Published: March 21, 2016

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, his party’s front runner for the nomination, addressed the American Israel Public Affairs CommitteeMonday, discussing relations between the U.S. and Israel. A complete transcript of his remarks follows.

TRUMP: Good evening. Thank you very much.

I speak to you today as a lifelong supporter and true friend of Israel. (CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

I am a newcomer to politics, but not to backing the Jewish state.

(APPLAUSE)

In 2001, weeks after the attacks on New York City and on Washington and, frankly, the attacks on all of us, attacks that perpetrated and they were perpetrated by the Islamic fundamentalists, Mayor Rudy Giuliani visited Israel to show solidarity with terror victims.

I sent my plane because I backed the mission for Israel 100 percent.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

In spring of 2004 at the height of the violence in the Gaza Strip, I was the grand marshal of the 40th Salute to Israel Parade, the largest-single gathering in support of the Jewish state.

(APPLAUSE)

It was a very dangerous time for Israel and frankly for anyone supporting Israel. Many people turned down this honor. I did not. I took the risk and I’m glad I did.

(APPLAUSE)

But I didn’t come here tonight to pander to you about Israel. That’s what politicians do: all talk, no action. Believe me.

(APPLAUSE)

I came here to speak to you about where I stand on the future of American relations with our strategic ally, our unbreakable friendship and our cultural brother, the only democracy in the Middle East, the state of Israel.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

Thank you.

My number-one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

Thank you. Thank you.

I have been in business a long time. I know deal-making. And let me tell you, this deal is catastrophic for America, for Israel and for the whole of the Middle East.

(APPLAUSE) The problem here is fundamental. We’ve rewarded the world’s leading state sponsor of terror with $150 billion, and we received absolutely nothing in return.

(APPLAUSE)

I’ve studied this issue in great detail, I would say actually greater by far than anybody else.

(LAUGHTER)

Believe me. Oh, believe me. And it’s a bad deal.

The biggest concern with the deal is not necessarily that Iran is going to violate it because already, you know, as you know, it has, the bigger problem is that they can keep the terms and still get the bomb by simply running out the clock. And of course, they’ll keep the billions and billions of dollars that we so stupidly and foolishly gave them.

(APPLAUSE)

The deal doesn’t even require Iran to dismantle its military nuclear capability. Yes, it places limits on its military nuclear program for only a certain number of years, but when those restrictions expire, Iran will have an industrial-sized, military nuclear capability ready to go and with zero provision for delay, no matter how bad Iran’s behavior is. Terrible, terrible situation that we are all placed in and especially Israel.

(APPLAUSE)

When I’m president, I will adopt a strategy that focuses on three things when it comes to Iran. First, we will stand up to Iran’s aggressive push to destabilize and dominate the region.

(APPLAUSE)

Iran is a very big problem and will continue to be. But if I’m not elected president, I know how to deal with trouble. And believe me, that’s why I’m going to be elected president, folks.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

And we are leading in every poll. Remember that, please.

(CHEERS)

Iran is a problem in Iraq, a problem in Syria, a problem in Lebanon, a problem in Yemen and will be a very, very major problem for Saudi Arabia. Literally every day, Iran provides more and better weapons to support their puppet states. Hezbollah, Lebanon received — and I’ll tell you what, it has received sophisticated anti-ship weapons, anti-aircraft weapons and GPS systems and rockets like very few people anywhere in the world and certainly very few countries have. Now they’re in Syria trying to establish another front against Israel from the Syrian side of the Golan Heights.

In Gaza, Iran is supporting Hamas and Islamic jihad.

And in the West Bank, they’re openly offering Palestinians $7,000 per terror attack and $30,000 for every Palestinian terrorist’s home that’s been destroyed. A deplorable, deplorable situation.

(APPLAUSE)

Iran is financing military forces throughout the Middle East and it’s absolutely incredible that we handed them over $150 billion to do even more toward the many horrible acts of terror.

(APPLAUSE)

Secondly, we will totally dismantle Iran’s global terror network which is big and powerful, but not powerful like us.

(APPLAUSE)

Iran has seeded terror groups all over the world. During the last five years, Iran has perpetuated terror attacks in 25 different countries on five continents. They’ve got terror cells everywhere, including in the Western Hemisphere, very close to home.

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world. And we will work to dismantle that reach, believe me, believe me.

(APPLAUSE)

Third, at the very least, we must enforce the terms of the previous deal to hold Iran totally accountable. And we will enforce it like you’ve never seen a contract enforced before, folks, believe me.

(APPLAUSE)

Iran has already, since the deal is in place, test-fired ballistic missiles three times. Those ballistic missiles, with a range of 1,250 miles, were designed to intimidate not only Israel, which is only 600 miles away, but also intended to frighten Europe and someday maybe hit even the United States. And we’re not going to let that happen. We’re not letting it happen. And we’re not letting it happen to Israel, believe me.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

Thank you. Thank you.

Do you want to hear something really shocking? As many of the great people in this room know, painted on those missiles in both Hebrew and Farsi were the words “Israel must be wiped off the face of the earth.” You can forget that.

(APPLAUSE)

What kind of demented minds write that in Hebrew?

And here’s another. You talk about twisted. Here’s another twisted part. Testing these missiles does not even violate the horrible deal that we’ve made. The deal is silent on test missiles. But those tests do violate the United Nations Security Council resolutions.

The problem is no one has done anything about it. We will, we will. I promise, we will.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

Thank you.

Which brings me to my next point, the utter weakness and incompetence of the United Nations.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

The United Nations is not a friend of democracy, it’s not a friend to freedom, it’s not a friend even to the United States of America where, as you know, it has its home. And it surely is not a friend to Israel.

(APPLAUSE)

With President Obama in his final year — yea!

(LAUGHTER)

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

(LAUGHTER)

He may be the worst thing to ever happen to Israel, believe me, believe me. And you know it and you know it better than anybody.

So with the president in his final year, discussions have been swirling about an attempt to bring a Security Council resolution on terms of an eventual agreement between Israel and Palestine.

Let me be clear: An agreement imposed by the United Nations would be a total and complete disaster.

(APPLAUSE)

The United States must oppose this resolution and use the power of our veto, which I will use as president 100 percent.

(APPLAUSE)

When people ask why, it’s because that’s not how you make a deal. Deals are made when parties come together, they come to a table and they negotiate. Each side must give up something. It’s values. I mean, we have to do something where there’s value in exchange for something that it requires. That’s what a deal is. A deal is really something that when we impose it on Israel and Palestine, we bring together a group of people that come up with something.

That’s not going to happen with the United Nations. It will only further, very importantly, it will only further delegitimize Israel. It will be a catastrophe and a disaster for Israel. It’s not going to happen, folks.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

And further, it would reward Palestinian terrorism because every day they’re stabbing Israelis and even Americans. Just last week, American Taylor Allen Force, a West Point grad, phenomenal young person who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was murdered in the street by a knife-wielding Palestinian. You don’t reward behavior like that. You cannot do it.

(APPLAUSE)

There’s only one way you treat that kind of behavior. You have to confront it.

(APPLAUSE)

So it’s not up to the United Nations to really go with a solution. It’s really the parties that must negotiate a resolution themselves. They have no choice. They have to do it themselves or it will never hold up anyway. The United States can be useful as a facilitator of negotiations, but no one should be telling Israel that it must be and really that it must abide by some agreement made by others thousands of miles away that don’t even really know what’s happening to Israel, to anything in the area. It’s so preposterous, we’re not going to let that happen.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

When I’m president, believe me, I will veto any attempt by the U.N. to impose its will on the Jewish state. It will be vetoed 100 percent.

(APPLAUSE)

You see, I know about deal-making. That’s what I do. I wrote “The Art of the Deal.”

(LAUGHTER)

One of the best-selling, all-time — and I mean, seriously, I’m saying one of because I’ll be criticized when I say “the” so I’m going to be very diplomatic — one of…

(LAUGHTER)

I’ll be criticized. I think it is number one, but why take a chance? (LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

One of the all-time best-selling books about deals and deal- making. To make a great deal, you need two willing participants. We know Israel is willing to deal. Israel has been trying.

(APPLAUSE)

That’s right. Israel has been trying to sit down at the negotiating table without preconditions for years. You had Camp David in 2000 where Prime Minister Barak made an incredible offer, maybe even too generous; Arafat rejected it.

In 2008, Prime Minister Olmert made an equally generous offer. The Palestinian Authority rejected it also.

Then John Kerry tried to come up with a framework and Abbas didn’t even respond, not even to the secretary of state of the United States of America. They didn’t even respond.

When I become president, the days of treating Israel like a second-class citizen will end on day one.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

Thank you.

And when I say something, I mean it, I mean it.

I will meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu immediately. I have known him for many years and we’ll be able to work closely together to help bring stability and peace to Israel and to the entire region.

Meanwhile, every single day you have rampant incitement and children being taught to hate Israel and to hate the Jews. It has to stop.

(APPLAUSE)

When you live in a society where the firefighters are the heroes, little kids want to be firefighters. When you live in a society where athletes and movie stars are the heroes, little kids want to be athletes and movie stars.

In Palestinian society, the heroes are those who murder Jews. We can’t let this continue. We can’t let this happen any longer.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

You cannot achieve peace if terrorists are treated as martyrs. Glorifying terrorists is a tremendous barrier to peace. It is a horrible, horrible way to think. It’s a barrier that can’t be broken. That will end and it’ll end soon, believe me.

(APPLAUSE)

In Palestinian textbooks and mosques, you’ve got a culture of hatred that has been fomenting there for years. And if we want to achieve peace, they’ve got to go out and they’ve got to start this educational process. They have to end education of hatred. They have to end it and now.

(APPLAUSE)

There is no moral equivalency. Israel does not name public squares after terrorists. Israel does not pay its children to stab random Palestinians.

You see, what President Obama gets wrong about deal-making is that he constantly applies pressure to our friends and rewards our enemies.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

And you see that happening all the time, that pattern practiced by the president and his administration, including former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who is a total disaster, by the way.

(LAUGHTER)

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

She and President Obama have treated Israel very, very badly.

(APPLAUSE)

But it’s repeated itself over and over again and has done nothing (to) embolden those who hate America. We saw that with releasing the $150 billion to Iran in the hope that they would magically join the world community. It didn’t happen.

(APPLAUSE)

President Obama thinks that applying pressure to Israel will force the issue. But it’s precisely the opposite that happens. Already half of the population of Palestine has been taken over by the Palestinian ISIS and Hamas, and the other half refuses to confront the first half, so it’s a very difficult situation that’s never going to get solved unless you have great leadership right here in the United States.

We’ll get it solved. One way or the other, we will get it solved.

(APPLAUSE)

But when the United States stands with Israel, the chances of peace really rise and rises exponentially. That’s what will happen when Donald Trump is president of the United States.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE) We will move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

And we will send a clear signal that there is no daylight between America and our most reliable ally, the state of Israel.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

The Palestinians must come to the table knowing that the bond between the United States and Israel is absolutely, totally unbreakable.

(APPLAUSE)

They must come to the table willing and able to stop the terror being committed on a daily basis against Israel. They must do that.

And they must come to the table willing to accept that Israel is a Jewish state and it will forever exist as a Jewish state.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

I love the people in this room. I love Israel. I love Israel. I’ve been with Israel so long in terms of I’ve received some of my greatest honors from Israel, my father before me, incredible. My daughter, Ivanka, is about to have a beautiful Jewish baby.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

In fact, it could be happening right now, which would be very nice as far as I’m concerned.

(LAUGHTER)

So I want to thank you very much. This has been a truly great honor. Thank you, everybody. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

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[Sounder]

am not sure why Trump's victory would entail a break with the likes of Nuland.

I'm sure it would not entail any break at all. I have noticed recently however a fair bit of marketing from the Alt media community claiming that Donald is a great threat to Globalism and neo-con hegemony.

[82_28]

I can't stand drumph on his non-stop New Yorkish qualifiers. I don't know whether it is accent or what. He's a shitbag on principle, as we all know. But when I go back east I am always dumbfounded as to how people speak to one another. Sanders has an accent himself, but he is acceptable because well I am "left wing" as they say. Drumph's cadence really fucking grates on my nerves (As does Clinton's but in another way).

I once got into a debate with all these assholes, racist as fuck they were. In Long Island. And I was made to stand down due to tone. I didn't stand down I just used my west coast know how. People on Long Island fucking hate Latinos. In fact I think they hate everyone that isn't them. I mean look at the "judge shows" that are essentially everywhere on daytime TV. The talking down to from that area is fucking fascinating. It's like a motherfucking built-in art form spawned from a culture I do not get. I get sense. Yet the grating way in which people speak to one another is totally lame. I think people from that area think that the way they use language makes them superior. Imagine living your entire life there. You're gonna take some of that with you. Talk like that on a regular basis would never stand in the west. We would be who the fuck is this asshat throwing his/her weight around. I've done it a number of times when being intimidated (trying to) by east coasters. Alright, time to get the fuck out. Oh and you didn't pay your bill. Etc.

I'm trying to come up with a working theory but there are shit tons of little turns that when you might think you are right, you have probably missed something. . .

[tapitsbo]

Marketing/branding exactly!

82_82 I feel the same way about people from Manhattan I have lived with lmao... Although I am sure you might feel the same way about me.

[82_28]

That would be 82_28!

[Belligerent Savant]

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82_28:
People on Long Island fucking hate Latinos. In fact I think they hate everyone that isn't them.

Is that so? Do the Latinos who live in Long Island hate Latinos as well?

over-generalization, much? What sample size did you leverage to come to this conclusion, and from which section(s) of Long Island?

Don't be so silly.

[JackRiddler]

Are we talking geographic Long Island or conceptual (Nassau-Suffolk)? Cos then I could get into the act here.