MacCruiskeen » 22 Mar 2016 12:47 wrote:Prediction: Surveillance video cameras -- which are all over the airport and the subway stations -- will turn out to have been (unfortunately, shit happens) "out of order", "down for maintenance", etc., so we'll see nothing of the bombings or what immediately preceded them, and we'll just have to rely entirely on what the authorities tell us.
....well ......except who actually believes anything they see on video these days...
I'm still betting we'll never see any of it (not even on LiveLeak or the like). Nothing that will show clearly that a suicide bomber dunnit. Instead we'll get something equivalent to "Here's the moment the Tsarnaev brothers planted the rucksack!!!" and people will be persuaded, again, to swear blind that they've seen something they haven't seen and couldn't have seen.
Still, it is useful to have that confirmation of the obvious, i.e. that every square inch of the airport is covered by surveillance cameras. Early reports & eyewitness-interviews are always worth reading and watching (and saving, before they get deleted or rewritten.)
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MacCruiskeen » 22 Mar 2016 12:47 wrote:Prediction: Surveillance video cameras -- which are all over the airport and the subway stations -- will turn out to have been (unfortunately, shit happens) "out of order", "down for maintenance", etc., so we'll see nothing of the bombings or what immediately preceded them, and we'll just have to rely entirely on what the authorities tell us.
....well ......except who actually believes anything they see on video these days...
Prolly manufactured in the same studio as the moon landings.
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One trend on the video subject I notice in these events is often the lack of cell phone video from a lot of different angles. There should be lots of eyewitness accounts and cell phone videos but those have been missing most of the time. Whipping out a cell phone camera has become second nature in our world. Wonder if we will see a lot of cell phone vids and dozens of eyewitness accounts?
"A mind stretched by a new idea can never return to it's original dimensions." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Initial observations. Have they upgraded the camera system since 1980? Terrible video quality. I bet they have cameras that can read the surgeon general warning on a pack of cigarettes. Was he hiding in the ceiling? All the debris rains down from the ceiling.
Brussels Attack: The True Implications of ISIS Links TOPICS:Brussels AttackISISTony Cartalucci
March 22, 2016
By Tony Cartalucci
Just days after arresting French-born Belgium national and terror suspect Salah Abdeslam in Brussels, a coordinated terror attack unfolded in the very same city, killing at least 28, and injuring many more.
NBC News has already announced that European officials are linking the attack to ISIS, though it is unclear whether or not Abdeslam’s network – which carried out the November 2015 Paris terror attacks – was directly involved. Abdeslam’s “Terror Ring”
Police in Brussels were still hunting for several other alleged accomplices of Abdeslam, including Najim Laachraoui and Mohamed Abrini.
Laachraoui and Abrini, like virtually every other suspect involved in a string of terrorist attacks across North America, Europe, and Australia, were well known to Western security agencies, having both been documented as having traveled to Syria to fight against Damascus under ISIS, with Abrini having been arrested and jailed several times in the past, and Laachraoui already having a 2014 international arrest warrant issued for him in connection to a trial involving recruiting Europeans to fight for ISIS.
The International Business Times would report in their article, “Manhunt for last Isis Paris attacks fugitives: Who are Najim Laachraoui and Mohamed Abrini?,” that:
Mohamed Abrini, 31, is among Europe’s most wanted fugitives since he was filmed with Abdeslam at a petrol station on a highway to Paris on 11 November aboard a Renault Clio that was used in the attacks two days later. Described as “armed and dangerous” in a European arrested warrant the Belgian-Moroccan is believed to have travelled to Syria after serving short stints in jail for petty crime and robberies.
The Independent would report in an article titled, “Najim Laachraoui: Belgian police launch manhunt for suspect who could have made suicide belts for Paris attacks,” that:
Laachraoui is thought to have studied electro-mechanical engineering at a Catholic high school in Schaerbeek, the Institut de la Sainte-Famille d’helmet, graduating in 2012. He was already known to be in Syria in 2013, and was the subject of an international arrest warrant in 2014.
And because Laachraoui’s DNA is alleged to have been found at several scenes linked to the terror network, it appears that he too may have been in custody at least long enough to provide a DNA sample as a reference to now match him to evidence collected in the aftermath of the 2015 Paris attacks.
And even regarding Abdeslam himself, the BBC would report in their article, “Paris attacks: Who were the attackers?,” that:
Some reports have said he spent time in prison for robbery where he met suspected ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud. He had earlier been sacked as a technician on the Brussels tram system, for missing work. Dutch police said they had detained Salah Abdeslam briefly in February, fining him €70 (£49) for possession of cannabis.
In other words, all of the suspects have been under the nose, on the radar, and in the prisons of Western security agencies on and off for years, yet were still able to carry out at least one high-profile terrorist attack – possibly two, and with the vast majority of the suspects involved having traveled to Syria to fight alongside ISIS before inexplicably being allowed to re-enter Europe and rejoin society without consequence – as if inviting them to take their extremism to the next level. Brussels Bombing Already Being Linked to ISIS
The Guardian’s “Brussels attack: were they revenge for Abdeslam’s arrest?,” attempted to link the bombings in Brussels to the arrest of Abdeslam and the Paris attack terror network. The op-ed acknowledges that these terrorist attacks are being carried out by locals – Europeans – using local resources.
Should the Brussels attack be linked to this same terror network, it will greatly complicate efforts by some to leverage this tragedy to further their agendas against refugees and even to change the dynamics of the war in Syria itself.
Europeans are clearly already being radicalized and then leaving to Syria to fight alongside ISIS and then returning – rather than a torrent of foreigners streaming in from abroad and carrying out violence against European targets.
Should the Brussels attack turn out to be the work of this ISIS-linked terror group, considering the familiarity European security agencies had with all the suspects long before even the 2015 Paris attacks, indicates criminal negligence at best, and complicity at worst.
But even if the attacks are the work of foreign ISIS militants, one should consider the West’s admitted role in the creation and perpetuation of ISIS in the first place. The West Created ISIS as a Weapon of Geopolitical Coercion
ISIS’ own alleged agenda of transforming the world into a “caliphate” is cartoonishly absurd. In reality, it is clear that ISIS shows up and exercises force in regions of the world the US and its allies cannot intervene in directly. This includes North Africa, the Middle East, and even as far as Asia. This Book Could Save Your Life (Ad)
Far from a “conspiracy theory,” it would be the US’ own Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) that would admit as much in a leaked 2012 report (.pdf) which stated:
If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).
To clarify just who these “supporting powers” were that sought the creation of a “Salafist” (Islamic) principality” (State), the DIA report explains:
The West, Gulf countries, and Turkey support the opposition; while Russia, China, and Iran support the regime.
Between this admission, and an earlier exposé in 2007 by veteran journalist Seymour Hersh in his New Yorker piece titled, “The Redirection” where US and Saudi plans to use Al Qaeda to wage proxy war on Syria and Iran were revealed, it is clear that both Al Qaeda and ISIS are being used by the West to wage war on Damascus, Baghdad, Tehran, and even Moscow.
ISIS supply lines clearly, even admittedly run from NATO territory in Turkey where the US and its regional allies have categorically failed to interdict them and even appear to be aiding and abetting the flow of men and materiel into ISIS-held territory in Syria and Iraq. These supply lines are what has allowed pressure to be continuously placed upon Damascus and its allies over the past 5 years in ways nonexistent “moderate rebels” couldn’t.
In Indonesia, as Jakarta clearly began re-balancing toward Beijing, ISIS carried out its first deadly attack on the Southeast Asian nation. Thailand’s similar re-balancing also prompted threats from the US that an “ISIS attack” was imminent.
In Europe, where the flames of a “clash of civilizations” are being furiously and intentionally fanned, ISIS serves as a constant implement to empower extremists on both sides, while drowning out the voices of unity, moderation, and peace in the middle. It allows for a growing police state and xenophobic tendencies to flourish at home, while justifying further war abroad.
While some Western newspapers are already trying to frame the Belgium attack as “incompetence” by European security agencies, there must be a better explanation as to why this “war with ISIS” continues to drag on, when the source of ISIS’ fighting capacity appears to be within rather than beyond the West – and aiding rather than opposing Western special interests.
"A mind stretched by a new idea can never return to it's original dimensions." Oliver Wendell Holmes
"The blanket media coverage assured for any act of violence is reckless. The media must “report”, but it need not go berserk in revelling in the violence caused, as it manifestly has done to Islamic State brutality. More serious, the intention of the terrorist is clearly to shut down western society, to show liberal democracy to be a sham and to invoke the persecution of Muslims. Yet that is the invariable response of the security industry to these incidents. Convinced of its potency, it dare not admit there are some things against which it cannot protect us. So when incidents occur it jerks the knee and demands ever more money and ever more power. It must not be given them."
Wow! That's so, 'Deep State' or just merely state... [/]green
“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”
What I find incomprehensible is that it's so comprehensible to people that Brussels, the 'diplomatic capital of the world' and headquarters for NATO, etc, wouldn't have the highest, most sophisticated intelligence and security installations in the world. For instance......... Brussels Lockdown: X-Ray of the Belgian Security Apparatus
"MO* investigative journalist Kristof Clerix, author of two books on intelligence, explores the Belgian security landscape. Who is keeping Brave Little Belgium safe?" http://www.mo.be/en/news/brussels-lockd ... -apparatus
And today's attack is less than a week after Salah Abdeslam was captured nearby, because of a suspicious pizza order, after a four month massive manhunt. Who makes this stuff up?
Same (sic) superior camera quality. Good look catching the guy. Don't even know what he looks like. Two terrarists likely dead and i'm not sure you could identify someone with this picture.
More than 30 people are believed to have been killed and dozens injured in attacks at Brussels international airport and a city metro station.
Twin blasts hit Zaventem airport at about 07:00 GMT, with 11 people reported killed.
Another explosion struck Maelbeek metro station near EU headquarters an hour later, leaving about 20 people dead.
Brussels police have issued a wanted notice for a man seen pushing a luggage trolley through the airport.
He was pictured in CCTV footage with two other suspects who are believed to have died in the blasts.
Luther Blissett » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:49 am wrote:Doesn't this honestly feel like a continuation of Brabant, aside from the fact that it doubles (or almost double) the entire casualty count from all of the massacres.
stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:25 pm wrote:…Edmonds mentions an interesting fact regarding the FBI: they keep tabs on all countries (their diplomatic arms) through monitoring (i.e. wiretapping) except four. These four countries are 1) Turkey 2) Azerbaijan 3) United Kingdom and 4) Belgium, the seat of NATO. The Cold War within the context of a "war over resources" didn't end. The ultimate prize, as Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, is Central Asia.…
Yeah, Brabant was one of the first thoughts I had this morning. Watching the news and someone was being interviewed, forgot the name but he had the title "Counterterrorism Expert." He was asked, "Why Brussels?", he yammered on about immigration, clerics, blah-blah not one peep about Brussels being the location of NATO headquarters. Par for the course, but I still roll my eyes at the "expert" testimony.
Spoke with a Belgian - the bombed train station is the one for the Commission, i.e. the EU executive. Another thing the expert probably didn't mention. Airport and EU hq, who would be feeling that message was directed at them?
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Luther Blissett » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:49 am wrote:Doesn't this honestly feel like a continuation of Brabant, aside from the fact that it doubles (or almost double) the entire casualty count from all of the massacres.
stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:25 pm wrote:…Edmonds mentions an interesting fact regarding the FBI: they keep tabs on all countries (their diplomatic arms) through monitoring (i.e. wiretapping) except four. These four countries are 1) Turkey 2) Azerbaijan 3) United Kingdom and 4) Belgium, the seat of NATO. The Cold War within the context of a "war over resources" didn't end. The ultimate prize, as Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, is Central Asia.…
Yeah, Brabant was one of the first thoughts I had this morning. Watching the news and someone was being interviewed, forgot the name but he had the title "Counterterrorism Expert." He was asked, "Why Brussels?", he yammered on about immigration, clerics, blah-blah not one peep about Brussels being the location of NATO headquarters. Par for the course, but I still roll my eyes at the "expert" testimony.
I was too sleepy to think about this clearly this morning when I first saw this. But on reflection, I would guess this is Erdogan/Saudi operation. Reminding their Western allies (both in the EU/NATO) that they have teeth and are prepared to use them.
“There is no reason why the bomb that exploded in Ankara cannot explode in Brussels, where an opportunity to show off in the heart of the city to supporters of the terror organization is presented, or in any city in Europe. Despite this clear reality, European countries are paying no attention,” Erdogan said during a commemoration speech on Friday dedicated to a famous World War I battle in the Turkish town of Canakkale.
“I’m once again calling on the countries which directly or indirectly lend support to terror organizations: you are nursing a snake in your bosom. That snake you have been nourishing can bite you at any time,” he said, referring to the supporters of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which is considered a terror organization by Turkish authorities.
Erdogan’s angry remarks came as he was criticizing the EU following a recent deadly car bombing in Ankara, which was claimed by the Kurdish group.
PKK has not claimed repsonsibility for any of the several attacks inside Turkey. TAK, a PKK splinter, has, say official sources. Who's behind the splinter - who knows? Erdogan's government liberally apportions blame to PKK and YPG (the Syrian Kurdish militia), has been attacking Kurds throughout Turkey with many dead since the summer imposing curfews in various towns, has shut down the country's largest press organs, and is arresting academics for signing a statement calling for an end hostilities against Kurds.
We meet at the borders of our being, we dream something of each others reality. - Harvey of R.I.
To Justice my maker from on high did incline: I am by virtue of its might divine, The highest Wisdom and the first Love.
Erdogan Mentions Brussels Bombing Days Before Attacks
March 22, 2015
Sputnik
Less than a week before the terrorist attacks in Brussels, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned of possible bombings in European cities, including Brussels.
"There is no reason why the bomb that exploded in Ankara could not explode in Brussels, or in any other European city," Erdogan declared during a ceremony commemorating the 101st anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli in the coastal town of Canakkale on March 18.
It should be noted that Erdogan’s statement followed the deadly terrorist act of March 13, when a car bomb exploded at a bus stop near Ankara’s central Kizilay Square, leaving 37 dead and over 120 injured. The Turkish head of state blamed Kurdish radicals for the attack and berated European leaders for their refusal to recognize certain Kurdish organizations as terrorist groups.
"The snakes you are sleeping with can bite you at any time," Erdogan added.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
Promoting hushed suspicion of the Turkish regime and Saudi Arabia without including consideration of their broader partners, NATO and beyond, would make a great limited hangout for the West in regards to events like these. Once again I am fascinated that the Syrian Kurds are beginning to receive media criticism alongside exclusion from peace negotiations, now-ish.
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