The “Alternative Right"

[seemslikeadream]

Actually it is a very distorted representation of my thoughts- and an unsubstantiated one at that. That is why I see it as a "straw man" argument.

To be clear with everyone here, I agree with AD; I am mocking him...

...not making a serious assessment about his stated beliefs, which after all amount to a general pledge to be Anti-Bad Things, and a whole lot of drive-by insinuations about RI being taken over by StormFront, which is endlessly entertaining coming from the single biggest source of swaztikas, hotlinked .jpg hatespeech, and Hymie caricatures that this forum has ever known.

and a whole lot of drive-by insinuations about RI being taken over by StormFront, which is endlessly entertaining coming from the single biggest source of swaztikas, hotlinked .jpg hatespeech, and Hymie caricatures that this forum has ever known.


all that and naming the names over and over and over again of people he does not want to see mentioned here

I think he has taken the "this is an antifascist board" way too literally ....this board is way more than just an antifascist board someone should remind him of that

[jakell]

The word has a long history, but make no mistake about the origins of the term "cuck" - it is 100% racial in its current context. The alt-right folks use it as a catch-all insult for any Republican who doesn't despise Mexicans and Blacks as much as they do.

J

I also thought that the linking of 'cuckolding' with race was a glaring factual error. So much so that I often wonder if the purveyors of this are concerned with truth and assume their readers are of the same mind.

Reading around and listening to alt-right podcasts, I don't see those hatreds expressed anywhere near as strongly (if at all) as in traditional far right circles, and their focus seems to directed elsewhere.

It could be said that they are using 'code' all of the time, but it's possible that they have found better things to do with their brains.

[American Dream]

I think it's fair to say that the Alt-right actively fosters many sorts of grossly racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, nativist, authoritarian, elitist and/or fascist tendencies- and is currently organizing in favor of them.

So how is that compatible with Rigorous Intuition? Seems incredibly stupid- and bigoted- to suggest that this might be the case.

No one here would actively champion Donald Trump, would they?

[Wombaticus Rex]

I think it's fair to say that the Alt-right actively fosters many sorts of grossly racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, nativist, authoritarian, elitist and/or fascist tendencies- and is currently organizing in favor of them.

So how is that compatible with Rigorous Intuition? Seems incredibly stupid- and bigoted- to suggest that this might be the case.

No one here would actively champion Donald Trump, would they?

What are you asking, though? You're talking to a group of people who are discussing this subject, not a group of recruiters or activists or (even tangential) members of the "Alt-Right."

Who have you seen "actively champion" the Alt-Right? Put a quote up, bro.

[jakell]

I think it's fair to say that the Alt-right actively fosters many sorts of grossly racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, nativist, authoritarian, elitist and/or fascist tendencies- and is currently organizing in favor of them.

So how is that compatible with Rigorous Intuition? Seems incredibly stupid- and bigoted- to suggest that this might be the case.

No one here would actively champion Donald Trump, would they?

What are you asking, though? You're talking to a group of people who are discussing this subject, not a group of recruiters or activists or (even tangential) members of the "Alt-Right."

Who have you seen "actively champion" the Alt-Right? Put a quote up, bro.

I'm still not sure if they are a solid enough group to claim membership of or support, it seems fairly loose.

I think even their 'opponents' realise this which is why they always try to turn them into naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews at almost every mention

[Karmamatterz]

The word has a long history, but make no mistake about the origins of the term "cuck" - it is 100% racial in its current context. The alt-right folks use it as a catch-all insult for any Republican who doesn't despise Mexicans and Blacks as much as they do.

ONLY in the context of what AD posted. I disagree it covers the entire sphere of those being cuckolded. There IS more to the topic than racism. They are plenty of people not aligned with the alt-right who take issue to women cuckolding men. Not everything revolves around racism! Again, if you've never been married, had children, or directly know of someone who has been cuckolded it's easy to get caught up in the social justice meme of it being all about race. Apparently some dudes like being cucked, whatever floats your boat.

[American Dream]

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg


Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows

[Sounder]

That is a special song. It goes to show that even creepy right-wingers can make great art.

[Jerky]

[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=595334#p595334]
Reading around and listening to alt-right podcasts, I don't see those hatreds expressed anywhere near as strongly (if at all) as in traditional far right circles, and their focus seems to directed elsewhere.

It could be said that they are using 'code' all of the time, but it's possible that they have found better things to do with their brains.[/quote]

Could you name a few of these alt-right podcasts that you listen to where you've come across the term "cuck" or "cuckservative" wherein it wasn't used to denote the targeted individual's failure to be vocally and unmistakably against immigration/immigrants (both legal and otherwise) and/or Blacks and/or Muslims and/or Jews?

Even just a couple. I'm sincerely curious.

J

[jakell]

The word has a long history, but make no mistake about the origins of the term "cuck" - it is 100% racial in its current context. The alt-right folks use it as a catch-all insult for any Republican who doesn't despise Mexicans and Blacks as much as they do.

J

I also thought that the linking of 'cuckolding' with race was a glaring factual error. So much so that I often wonder if the purveyors of this are concerned with truth and assume their readers are of the same mind.

Reading around and listening to alt-right podcasts, I don't see those hatreds expressed anywhere near as strongly (if at all) as in traditional far right circles, and their focus seems to directed elsewhere.

It could be said that they are using 'code' all of the time, but it's possible that they have found better things to do with their brains.

Could you name a few of these alt-right podcasts that you listen to where you've come across the term "cuck" or "cuckservative" wherein it wasn't used to denote the targeted individual's failure to be vocally and unmistakably against immigration/immigrants (both legal and otherwise) and/or Blacks and/or Muslims and/or Jews?

Even just a couple. I'm sincerely curious.

J

The post you are replying to here is not relating to the word 'cuckolding' or 'cuckservative'. It is about the 'despising' of blacks and Mexicans, so your question is out of context.

I was trying to locate alt-right on a spectrum from obsessive race hate, through semi-intelligible Neo Nazi views, through modern white nationalist views, through civic nationalism to vague tribalism and patriotism because nothing even approaching these basics has even been attempted here (recently at least). All these pasted articles that seem to do this don't add up to a hill of beans, even one bean would be a start.

I'm not sure if the will is even here to attempt this any more, and AD has done a wonderful job at keeping the whole field completely unnavigable and unattractive, by the constant production of cognitively indigestible copypasta complete with emotive signals, fnords and dog-whistles.

With a view to even finding something that would represent alt-right activity, I would suggest that Radix represents an intelligible and consistent example, and that it could be ideologically located somewhere between ethnic and civic nationalism.
Again, this is assuming that the will is there to attempt something looking like rigour in this areas and I don't think it is. That would be the remit of an anti-fascist forum.

[8bitagent]

The blatant racism/WW2 Nazi fascination with some of the alt right is nauseating, even if some are doing it as a kneejerk 4chan troll reaction to political correctness.

However, a part of me can't help but enjoy seeing the traditional GOP/Republican party absolutely being eviscerated and destroyed in a way the left or Comedy Central Daily Show never could do.
Remember that famous Bill Hicks horrible but envigorating rant about Rush Limbaugh and the GOP elite? It was hard to stomach to listen to, but in a way it was glorious.

There are a lot on the loose "alt right" not happy with the blatant racism. And it's hilarious to see "moderate" white nationalists on the alt right twitter/facebook/social media take to calling some
"1488ers". If you espouse dismissals of ethnicities than you are an 1488 even if you don't have a shaved head and white braces.

However, whether the (racist) alt right wants to acknowledge it, I see a lot of non white (even some non straight) people tired of the modern feminism, tired of the social justice warriors, tired of the blatant
racism elements of BLM is exhibiting, and taking a second look at Trump if Sanders doesn't get the nomination.

The question is...as glorious as RI'ers to see the neocon global elite neocon ruling class being destroyed like WTC7, is there an even scarier mutation that could be worse?

I come from the world of 4chan-esque trolling and memes(despite being 38), but there is a fine balance between creating a new hyper meta punk rock disturbance in the political order, and
sliding into a bizarro new form of fascism.

[seemslikeadream]

refugees/immigrants

they were created/being used


only a pawn in their game


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY2lQV3ADfc


A South politician preaches to the poor white man
“You got more than the blacks, don’t complain.
You’re better than them, you been born with white skin,” they explain.
And the Negro’s name
Is used it is plain
For the politician’s gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man’s used in the hands of them all like a tool
He’s taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
’Bout the shape that he’s in
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game

From the poverty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks
And the hoofbeats pound in his brain
And he’s taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide ’neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain’t got no name
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game.

[American Dream]

ANTI-FASCISM, MILITIA MOVEMENT, NEO-NAZI, NEO-PAGANISM

SOLDIERS OF ODIN PLAN MEET-UP IN LODI LAKE, CA ON APRIL 30TH

A big thanks comes to Heathens United Against Racism, who did a large amount of research for this article.

The reframing of Syrian refugee migration into Europe and the United States is critical to the messaging of the racist right-wing. Instead of seeing these as rightful refugees of an incredibly violent, war-torn region, they are instead painted as “invading hordes.” The dehumanization of these immigrants of color is obvious, but it is also an effort by Alt Right voices to reframe the discussion in terms of their own interpretation of pre-modern tribal norms. The term “hordes” inspires the listener to immediately apply “barbarian” to it, which inclines them to think in an “us and them” mentality. The idea here is to begin thinking of people of European ancestry, specifically Northern Europe, as a distinct “tribe” with its own interests. This is opposed to the universal morality that sees actions within the same moral framework whether they happen to someone of a similar ethnic background or someone from a distant country with different customs and religious practices. To see the refugees as “invaders” is to then see the need to protect the “tribe” from the immigrant populations that you are absolved of the responsibility to care about.

This shift in perspective plays directly in the new Soldiers of Odin phenomenon, a group of people who are trying to “defend” European nations and the U.S. from these refugees. Playing on fallacious notion that the refugees are responsible for increased rates of crime and sexual violence, they have created an impetus that street vigilante action against non-white people is necessary. The “Odinic” reference is also key as Odinism/Asatru, as a resurrection of the ancient Nordic pagan religion, is often interpreted racially, using the pseudoscientific concept of “meta-genetics” to say that the Nordic Gods are literally a part of the psyche of people deriving from Northern Europe.

The Soldiers of Odin were created in Kemi, Finland in October of 2015, towards the beginning of what is now phrased as the “refugee crisis.” This was created to be a street gang that would patrol areas with asylum seekers, often appearing as a motorcycle gang or mirroring white tribalist groups like the Wolves of Vinland. The founder of the movement, Mike Ranta, was close to the nationalist Finnish Resistant Movement, as well having a 2005 conviction for a racist attack that injured two victims.

The group’s dynamics of racial violence seem obvious, but they have grown over the last five months, creating locals all over Europe and moving into several places in the United States. The process began by creating multiple Facebook groups, all with lax security protocols, that have open racialist understandings of who the “invaders” are. Even with this white nationalist slant, the growth of these groups has been incredible and the numbers of people unaffiliated with the racialist movement at large has been striking. Large numbers have been coming directly from the Odinist/Asatru movement, even beyond the explicitly racialist forms.

Among these new groups is one for Colorado, with members running the gamut. This includes the Gothi, or clergy, of the Eagles of Yggdrasil, a folksih heathen kindred.

Canadian locals have popped up with common membership, indicating that there is likely less local organizing happening as much as a few enthusiastic metal-head racists who are creating these groups for different regions in the hopes that it will spark some growth. The blog Anti-Racist Canada has reported on this growth, noting that the nativist Canadians United 4 Canada have begun to ally with neo-Nazis in the Soldiers of Odin project. Charlene O’Farrell, who started that group on Facebook, has posted long diatribes in support of the Soldiers of Odin to start “protecting Canada and us(sic) women, children and even men who can’t defend themselves from being attacked or rapped(sic) if this should happen here in Canada.”

Continues at: https://antifascistnews.net/2016/04/21/ ... pril-30th/

[American Dream]

Philip K. Dick Conference disinvites white separatist


Organizers of an upcoming literary conference at California State University, Fullerton on the late science-fiction author Philip K. Dick have quietly pulled a scheduled presentation by an avowed white separatist and editor-in-chief of Counter-Currents Publishing, a San Francisco-based publisher of racist and far-right extremist literature.

The paper by Greg Johnson, who had billed himself as an “independent scholar,” argued that Dick’s novel “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep” — on which the film “Blade Runner” was based — was actually a coded allegory in which adherents of a cult called Mercerism represented early Gnostic Christians, while a rival group of malevolent robots, “the Killers,” represented Jews.

Johnson’s paper claimed that the novel’s underlying myth is the passion of the Christ with an emphasis on the role of Jews both in persecuting Jesus at the time, and “their present-day descendants who continue to mock him and his followers.” It is laced with anti-Semitic references to Jews’ alleged intellectual arrogance, lack of empathy, and eagerness to follow the dictates of the Old Testament to exploit animals and other human beings for their own selfish and subversive ends.

Johnson notes approvingly that “Philip K. Dick had a good deal of wisdom about Jews and the Jewish question.”

http://www.jewishjournal.com/los_angele ... separatist

[jakell]

That title sounds good doesn't it?.... good ole conference expelling bad people who are fooling them.

Reading the article though, I suspect that the conference would have gone ahead as is, except that they have had the sweaty fingers of concerned and self interested folks poking them until they capitulated. AD's article are full of such self congratulatory people crowing about how they have manipulated some event or another, it's just that this one is a little less shrill.
It would have been better for them to simply monitor the conference and see if the Evil Greg started pushing his external ideology (and then heckle him), rather than simply talking science fiction.

This sort of activity won't make such folks go away, but simply drive them together as in the successful Yiannopoulos/Hoff/Crowder event, it's short sighted