Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

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lovely !

[Nordic]

http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-super-pac-busted/

POLITICSBUSTED: Pro-Clinton Super PAC Caught Spending $1 Million on Social Media TrollsTom Cahill | April 21, 2016

A Super PAC headed by a longtime Clinton operative is spending $1 million to hire online trolls to “correct” Bernie Sanders’ supporters on social media.

Correct The Record (CTR), which is operated by Clinton attack dog and new owner of Blue Nation Review David Brock, launched a new initiative this week called “Barrier Breakers 2016” for the purpose of debating supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders — or “Bernie Bros,” as they’re referred to in Correct the Record’s press official release — on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and other social media platforms.

The “Barrier Breakers” will also publicly thank Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates and fans for supporting her campaign. The paid trolls are professional communicators, coming from public relations and media backgrounds.


“The task force staff’s backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize,” CTR stated.

In a Reddit comments thread about CTR’s new project, Reddit user and Sanders supporter /u/workythehand, gave other commenters advice on how to identify and engage with one of David Brock’s paid commenters:

The best tactic to use against “professionals” is to simply downvote and move on. The more you argue with them, the more likely people will read the astroturfer’s posts.

Keep your eyes out for very young accounts, repetition of phrasing and syntax (the same “Sanders only diagnoses the problem…” talking points, for instance) in every post, and rapid fire posting – 10+ comments in the span of a few minutes is a good indicator.

Libby Watson of the Sunlight Foundation told the Daily Beast on Thursday that FEC loopholes allow the Hillary Clinton campaign and David Brock’s Super PAC to coordinate with one another, despite the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision prohibiting a Super PAC’s independent expenditures from going directly toward a particular candidate.

“It’s not totally clear what [CTR’s] reasoning is, but it seems to be that material posted on the internet for free—like, blogs—doesn’t count as an ‘independent expenditure,’” Watson said. She continued by addressing the unprecedented nature of the project.

She concluded with a damning assessment: “Campaign finance lawyers are not that impressed with [CTR’s] logic, but they can get away with it because the [Federal Election Commission] is deadlocked and does nothing.”

Watson also made note of the unprecedented and bizarre nature of the program, saying, “Usually places like MMFA and CTR are defending her against the media and established figures. This seems to be going after essentially random individuals online,” she said. “I don’t know that they’ve done anything like this before.”

CTR boasts on its website that it’s already “corrected” at least 5,000 Sanders supporters on Twitter

[backtoiam]

^^^hmmmm....that might better explain all those bogus fake (sic) "Bernie" supporters that supposedly answered the craiglist ads that so quickly disappear. The ads that offer to pay "bernie supporters" to disrupt the rallies. Bernie has more class than to turn loose idiots like that in his name I think. Roger Stone, who I think used to be in the Clinton camp years ago, blamed it squarely on Hillary. Maybe he was right.

[82_28]

^^^^Wow. How dystopian can you get? "Correcting" Sanders supporters. It comes down to Trump taking her out now I guess with possibly Sanders going full on independent.

[82_28]

^^^hmmmm....that might better explain all those bogus fake (sic) "Bernie" supporters that supposedly answered the craiglist ads that so quickly disappear. The ads that offer to pay "bernie supporters" to disrupt the rallies. Bernie has more class than to turn loose idiots like that in his name I think. Roger Stone, who I think used to be in the Clinton camp years ago, blamed it squarely on Hillary. Maybe he was right.

Yeah. Sanders supporters are for real. I think the thing with Sanders is that people want things to be real and that is why he is supported.

[JackRiddler]

Sanders either wins the nomination (looking bad) or endorses Clinton. There's no other way tactically. He can't win a three-way and we need a clean result - Clinton or Trump, no blaming it on Sanders. Barring not-impossible miracles in California, the right thing for him personally is to get the promised endorsement out of the way, but lay the groundwork immediately for a third party to start in 2017 and get into Congress and state legislatures in 2018. Trump or Clinton will provide good conditions for that, either way. But he has to go for it. Like it or not, he would be essential to such a project, he's the one who can raise the dollars and play the presiding statesman. Otherwise the movement he has coalesced probably breaks up again.

[bks]

Sanders either wins the nomination (looking bad) or endorses Clinton. There's no other way tactically. He can't win a three-way and we need a clean result - Clinton or Trump, no blaming it on Sanders. Barring not-impossible miracles in California, the right thing for him personally is to get the promised endorsement out of the way, but lay the groundwork immediately for a third party to start in 2017 and get into Congress and state legislatures in 2018. Trump or Clinton will provide good conditions for that, either way. But he has to go for it. Like it or not, he would be essential to such a project, he's the one who can raise the dollars and play the presiding statesman. Otherwise the movement he has coalesced probably breaks up again.

I don't think it breaks up. Berie's support isn't so much for Bernie as it is for what he is believed to stand for. It's not a cult of personality for the most part. If he endorses Clinton (which I agree he will) and does it the wrong way, he risks losing considerable cred with his young supporters. Only way out of that is if he makes her agree to painful concessions, and even that may be enough to make his supporters happy. The primary has gotten really contentious, and she's loathsome.

Honestly I think the Democrats are going to wish Sanders had won this cycle. Clinton's a terrible candidate with very high unfavorables, making her perfect figure to preside over the party's coming implosion as the young and restless/jobless abandon it for a left alternative. The next "Sanders" will likely be a far more preferable candidate than he: less (or not) Zionist, more feminist, better on race, and even more adversarial to capital. And that next insurgent candidate won't try to run his candidacy through the party. She'll denounce it. It's key in the next cycle for the Commission on Presidential Debates to come under fire, since that's the main element of blackmail (beside media complicity in ignoring anything outside the duopolistic sphere). If a 3rd party can get an audience in front of the public, the two-party system will be smashed soon enough.

I'm fine with him playing presiding statesman, but he must craft the right transitional message. He can't just throw his full support behind Clinton for nothing, or else the whole thing looks like an exercise in futility.

What does "go for it" mean in your view?

[Nordic]

I hope whatever he does destroys the Democratoc Party. It needs to be retired to the dustbin, preferably after going down in flames.

Same for the Repub party.

They should both be boycotted into oblivion.

[JackRiddler]

Hi bks, we really have to talk very soon!

Berie's support isn't so much for Bernie as it is for what he is believed to stand for. It's not a cult of personality for the most part.

I don't think it's a cult of personality at all, but his personality is currently the glue that holds it together. A whole bunch of related movements working separately have crystallized around his campaign, which was probably the only way to actually do that.

If he doesn't win (which hey, it's not really really over, just almost), I hope he tries to thread this needle: You're right that just kowtowing to Clinton - or even just winning "concessions" from her, which are irrelevant since her word is worthless - is a strategy for breaking up what has coalesced. But after his pledges, not endorsing her - and thus being the spoiler - does the same. (Independent run just ain't going to happen and wouldn't win anyway.) So by "go for it" I mean he can endorse but at the same time announce the foundation of a new party and get to work on it. Keep raising money for that and preside over the process of formation into 2017. I don't see another way that's got a better chance to actually work to break up the "two party system" (which is actually more like two separate one-party dictatorships, as far as their nomination processes are concerned).

[justdrew]

Sanders either wins the nomination (looking bad) or endorses Clinton. There's no other way tactically. He can't win a three-way and we need a clean result - Clinton or Trump, no blaming it on Sanders. Barring not-impossible miracles in California, the right thing for him personally is to get the promised endorsement out of the way, but lay the groundwork immediately for a third party to start in 2017 and get into Congress and state legislatures in 2018. Trump or Clinton will provide good conditions for that, either way. But he has to go for it. Like it or not, he would be essential to such a project, he's the one who can raise the dollars and play the presiding statesman. Otherwise the movement he has coalesced probably breaks up again.

yeah, that's exactly the deal. We're going to have to live with 'moderating' clinton, because it's now inevitable. IF he actually keeps it together and forms a 'bern-caucus' WITHIN the democratic party focused heavily on electing to local-state-congress positions, this could be a huge deal. If he just walks away, then fuck. In fact fairly soon (weeks not months) he MUST do the endorsement and start working with our allies and focus on local, state and especially House and Senate candidates.

Personally I don't even remotely buy this "clinton is seriously dangerous" idea, she's far from perfect and is totally a very mainstream entity, but she's very electable and will DEPEND on all the help she can get to govern. IF she ignores the Bernie voters, then she'll deserve to loose.

Plus, just look at the clinton's treatment in the mainstream media over the last 25 years, it's beyond outrageous and beyond acceptable, and I will personally LOVE to see the strokes on the half-wit right over her election, as well as within the worthless ignorant media-entities who've done their best to stick to their bullshit hate-Clinton-narrative for a generation.

I hope Media Whores Online comes back.

I agree she's made some bad choices, but let's face it, elected politicians BARELY run this show at all. I'll take the Lesser Just-Average over the completely fucking evil any day.

That's what the republican party has on offer, two psychopaths and a village idiot. Fuck the republican party but MORE SO... fuck the people that vote for them. and I'll happily vote for Clinton just to put my thumb in their eye.

so there.

[JackRiddler]

Sorry Drew, after seeing the results of U.S. policy in Libya, Honduras and the Ukraine -- largely as driven by Secretary Clinton in her self-acknowledged role as the Obama admin's hawk -- and seeing how she talks right now about Israel, Iran, etc., and seeing how her husband with his record is fully her avatar, and seeing the neocons and Kissinger line up for her, you're never going to convince me to vote for the Clinton third term.

[backtoiam]

jackriddler wrote:

I don't see another way that's got a better chance to actually work to break up the "two party system" (which is actually more like two separate one-party dictatorships, as far as their nomination processes are concerned).

ya know jack as bizarre as this whole process has been so far I am sort wondering if throwing this whole thing in the crucible for another firing and casting might not have been the goal all along. We can rest (mostly) assured that what we are witnessing has been designed for our entertainment and that slippage of control of the process by the ptb has been at a minimum. These election processes are like a screaming billboard. I have never seen an election in which the ptb has basically told the proles that their vote doesn't mean anything, blatantly too, like this. Proles, most of em, still dumbfounded probably...

Allowing the Trumpage into the arena, and that was by the graces of the ptb because the Donald on his own is only a piss ant, in the big scheme of things, is a bit of an oddity that is not an accident. It means something. I think it means change. And the tempo is quickening....tick tock..

Electricity is being projected into the arena from many angles. War, migrants, terror attacks, micro aggressions, racism, lgbt, bathrooms, white, black, jew, pedophile priest and rabbi, gay, gender neutral parenthood, social justice warriors, nazis, blm attacking bernie, palestine, destroying palestine and the middle east, patriot act, blatantly rigged elections, corrupted media, bank failures, negative interest rates, change of dominant global currency, middle east raided of gold and resources and banks captured, young aggressive arab males that hate americans flooded into the country, serious reality warpage of the youth by social media, global re-routing of previously established resources, total control over the food and water supply, artificial intelligence, surveillance, nano-technology in micro capsules that carry dna and rna strands that can self assemble on its own and GMO a damn human over time, smart dust, gmo food, bees are dying from monsanto, farmers all but out of business except for monstanto sponsored stuff, climate change, carbon taxes, chemtrails, out of control medical experiments, irresponsible and greedy vaccine use, militarization of police forces, propaganda being made legal, fake shootings and terror attacks, technology that allows a dead person to appear to be talking on live television, green screen technology, 911

I left a bunch of shit out im sure, but I think we are in the crucible already....I also think, for no reason in particular other than the tempo and tone of the moment, that another nudge may be coming in the next couple of years, like a catastrophe of some sort. False flag, bank failure (same thing), migrant trouble? I don't know but usually an "event" culminates and consolidates this many loose ends at some point. Interesting times are ahead in my opinion because slowing down the tempo does not seem to be on the menu. Not to mention the constitution and bill of rights, they don't like those pieces of paper either. They ignore them, but they still don't like them....

[justdrew]

Sorry Drew, after seeing the results of U.S. policy in Libya, Honduras and the Ukraine -- largely as driven by Secretary Clinton in her self-acknowledged role as the Obama admin's hawk -- and seeing how she talks right now about Israel, Iran, etc., and seeing how her husband with his record is fully her avatar, and seeing the neocons and Kissinger line up for her, you're never going to convince me to vote for the Clinton third term.

well, if enough people go along with you, president trump will applaud your moral purity.

Every part of this countries establishment has been dead wrong about everything for a generation, I can't give a shit about one foolish enabler. Yeah, maybe she 'drove' those policies, or maybe she picked an option off a menu presented her by the establishment, I don't care. All I care is that the republicans loose. That's the only thing left that can be won.

[JackRiddler]

Yeah yeah.

No.