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Re: PRINCE

Postby cptmarginal » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:38 pm

I genuinely enjoyed (enjoy) his music and persona... The thing that got me into Prince was the usage of his song "Little Red Corvette" as a plot point in the book Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami. Funnily enough, one of the best recommendations I could give for people wanting to understand the mentality of Jehovah's Witness members is another Murakami book, 1Q84. It's a major part of the plot, which also includes some relevant themes on other topics (cults, child abuse, organized crime, alternate realities)

Just recently I learned that one of my favorite musicians, Jneiro Jarel, is also a Jehovah's Witness and it actually made me like him more. I don't have anything positive to say about the religion itself, but the apocalyptic outsider mentality that it inculcates in young members seems to be culturally important in some small way. Multiple of my closest friends growing up were African American Jehovah's Witnesses themselves (feels weird to use the word "black" sometimes) and they always had a superior sensibility for humor and a capacity for being open-minded. Plus their fathers beat the shit out of them.
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Re: PRINCE

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:48 pm

Burnt Hill » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:37 am wrote:
divideandconquer » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:32 am wrote:
Another media meme that seems to be alive and well right now is Vicodin, OxyContin and Percocet prescriptions are the slippery slopes to heroin overdose, which Prince's death bolsters --whether or not he actually died from too much percocet because the story's everywhere. I'm highly suspicious of this meme because, if anything, over the last two decades, there seems to have been a huge crackdown on prescribing pain killers (In the 1980s, I ended up throwing out two bottle of Percocet...today, good luck getting more than 6 pills...from my experience and everyone I've talked to), not to mention, the batches of deadly fentanyl-laced heroin spread nationwide over the last few years (I'm always suspicious of anything that springs up out of the blue, spreads nation-wide--or world-wide--and gets lots of media attention)

Anyway, if not a "natural" death--and I'm beginning to think it's not--It's probably a little bit of everything mentioned.

I don't get the "black 9/11".


Vicodin, OxyContin and Percocet prescriptions are the slippery slopes to heroin overdose, -maybe a meme, but it is reality.
The crackdown on prescribing pain killers is more recent, though the crackdown on "pill mills" started about 10 years ago.
Coordinating nicely with the availability of stronger, cleaner heroin, and (relatively) easily synthesized Fentanyl.
Through the late 90s and through around 2010 addressing pain control was strongly emphasized in the medical community,
along with the development of "less addictive" pain meds like oxycontin.
The conspiracy is that the pharmaceutical industry made a fortune getting America addicted,
then turned their clients over to the black market,
so now the CIA et al are making a fortune.

I don't get the black 9/11 either, no link?


I think you are right, but I also think now that they've created the addiction with an over abundance, it's time for operation scarcity. So they're trying to scare the public, and the prescribing doctors into limiting prescriptions for opiate painkillers even more than they are now, which will increase the cost and demand on the black market, especially now that marijuana (the gateway drug) has been, more or less, decriminalized. It's as if they need a new gateway drug and new black market consumers. In other words, limiting prescriptions will not make them less addictive and it will not decrease demand; it will only increase cost and demand, thereby increasing the number of "criminals"/incarceration rate as people try to stop their pain.
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Re: PRINCE

Postby Cordelia » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:58 pm

Novem5er » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:03 pm wrote:
However, Chappelle is an interesting guy, so he COULD be alluding to something more sinister.

Agree.

Great skit (poor quality youtube) w/Chappelle as Prince challenging Charlie Murphy to a game of basketball; 'The Shirts vs.The Blouses'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgED4bfhds
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Re: PRINCE

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:29 pm

divideandconquer » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:48 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:37 am wrote:
divideandconquer » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:32 am wrote:
Another media meme that seems to be alive and well right now is Vicodin, OxyContin and Percocet prescriptions are the slippery slopes to heroin overdose, which Prince's death bolsters --whether or not he actually died from too much percocet because the story's everywhere. I'm highly suspicious of this meme because, if anything, over the last two decades, there seems to have been a huge crackdown on prescribing pain killers (In the 1980s, I ended up throwing out two bottle of Percocet...today, good luck getting more than 6 pills...from my experience and everyone I've talked to), not to mention, the batches of deadly fentanyl-laced heroin spread nationwide over the last few years (I'm always suspicious of anything that springs up out of the blue, spreads nation-wide--or world-wide--and gets lots of media attention)

Anyway, if not a "natural" death--and I'm beginning to think it's not--It's probably a little bit of everything mentioned.

I don't get the "black 9/11".


Vicodin, OxyContin and Percocet prescriptions are the slippery slopes to heroin overdose, -maybe a meme, but it is reality.
The crackdown on prescribing pain killers is more recent, though the crackdown on "pill mills" started about 10 years ago.
Coordinating nicely with the availability of stronger, cleaner heroin, and (relatively) easily synthesized Fentanyl.
Through the late 90s and through around 2010 addressing pain control was strongly emphasized in the medical community,
along with the development of "less addictive" pain meds like oxycontin.
The conspiracy is that the pharmaceutical industry made a fortune getting America addicted,
then turned their clients over to the black market,
so now the CIA et al are making a fortune.

I don't get the black 9/11 either, no link?


I think you are right, but I also think now that they've created the addiction with an over abundance, it's time for operation scarcity. So they're trying to scare the public, and the prescribing doctors into limiting prescriptions for opiate painkillers even more than they are now, which will increase the cost and demand on the black market, especially now that marijuana (the gateway drug) has been, more or less, decriminalized. It's as if they need a new gateway drug and new black market consumers. In other words, limiting prescriptions will not make them less addictive and it will not decrease demand; it will only increase cost and demand, thereby increasing the number of "criminals"/incarceration rate as people try to stop their pain.


Creating a black market demand for opiates to replace the increasing loss of marijuana revenue, while maintaining fodder for the industrial prison complex? That works, thanks divideandconquer!
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Re: PRINCE

Postby Novem5er » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:36 pm

Cordelia » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:58 pm wrote:
Novem5er » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:03 pm wrote:
However, Chappelle is an interesting guy, so he COULD be alluding to something more sinister.

Agree.

Great skit (poor quality youtube) w/Chappelle as Prince challenging Charlie Murphy to a game of basketball; 'The Shirts vs.The Blouses'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgED4bfhds


I love that skit. It's a point of reference for a large chunk of the jokes and clever remarks I make in life :)
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Re: PRINCE

Postby 82_28 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:41 pm

cptmarginal » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:38 am wrote:I genuinely enjoyed (enjoy) his music and persona... The thing that got me into Prince was the usage of his song "Little Red Corvette" as a plot point in the book Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami. Funnily enough, one of the best recommendations I could give for people wanting to understand the mentality of Jehovah's Witness members is another Murakami book, 1Q84. It's a major part of the plot, which also includes some relevant themes on other topics (cults, child abuse, organized crime, alternate realities)

Just recently I learned that one of my favorite musicians, Jneiro Jarel, is also a Jehovah's Witness and it actually made me like him more. I don't have anything positive to say about the religion itself, but the apocalyptic outsider mentality that it inculcates in young members seems to be culturally important in some small way. Multiple of my closest friends growing up were African American Jehovah's Witnesses themselves (feels weird to use the word "black" sometimes) and they always had a superior sensibility for humor and a capacity for being open-minded. Plus their fathers beat the shit out of them.


What's up with that? Every JW I ever knew was African American as well. I have never met a white JW. I have also never met a Mormon who was not white. Both "cults" in my eyes. At any rate I think everything is a cult so take that with some more salt.

It seems stupid to bring it up again but it was Carl Sagan and the band the Subhumans all the way. Somehow those two, along with others afforded me the "luxury" to reject everything yet accept all at a young age. The last time I had some JW's come to my door, all I said is you're not going to want to hear what I will say and so thus I will not say it and you two go ahead. But there will be no converting of me, just FYI. I said God Bless you after they failed and wished them luck.
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Re: PRINCE

Postby 82_28 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:58 pm

I know different star, but I just found this:
His make up artist for 30 years Karen Faye wrote on her blog:

"When Michael arrived for his photo shoot for THRILLER, two men accompanied him impeccably dressed in suits, who sat over to the side on some cushy couches and watched his every move.

Since this was the first time I worked with him, it didn’t feel appropriate for me to ask who they could possibly be. I thought if he wanted us to know, he would have told us. I just felt their presence throughout the entire day. They left with him as mysteriously as they had entered with him. At the time I really did not give it another thought, because I had no idea of the adventure that was ahead of me.

The next shoot, there again…a mysterious gentleman, sitting in the background.

As our working relationship and friendship began to grow, I asked. He explained to me he was a Jehovah’s Witness. He was very active with the church, and these gentlemen were monitors. They watched over him. He also explained he went to bible study, and spent time going door-to-door teaching the word each week. I had to take pause for a minute and think about that one….

THRILLER had been released by the time he was explaining this to me. “You mean to tell me, that you ring someone’s doorbell, they come to answer it, and there stands Michael Jackson??????” He gave me one of his hi pitched belly laughs…and said, “yeah”. He further explained that he does it in disguise.

“Oh no you don’t.”

Still giggling, he paused and got amusingly serious. “Yeah, sure. After they let me in, they usually begin to look at me funny, so I end up admitting who I am.”

“Wow, I wish I could be a fly on the wall and watch that. I still can’t believe you do that.” I said.

“It is a big part of being a Jehovah’s Witness. We also do not celebrate holidays or birthdays. We believe that we should honor and celebrate these things daily, and not have just one day.”

So I asked “No birthdays. No Christmas?”

“No” he replied.

“Isn’t that difficult, when the world around you is decorating and singing carols?”.

“Yes, Turkle…it is always kind of sad, especially when I was a child, because it looked like so much fun. But it is okay; we have things like FAMILY DAY, where we all get together. There are hundreds of Jackson’s and we all try and be there.”

I could genuinely see the sadness in his eyes and the sense his feeling of loss, not celebrating Christmas with the other kids…so I changed the subject.

One August 29th, we ended up working. Everyone was wishing him Happy Birthday and giving him little presents. He smiled and graciously accepted them. Once we were in the privacy of the trailer, he put the gifts down on the seat, and looked down at them.

“I wish people wouldn’t do that. Please promise me, Turkle, don’t EVER say Happy Birthday to me.”

We were shooting SMOOTH CRIMINAL. I was accustomed to the monitors by now. The filming was going on longer than planned, as usual. We were preparing for a very big scene. Michael was surrounded by the alien battalion in a gully, built on stage 14.

The special weapons and ammunition team had briefed Michael on how to hold the machine gun and fire it. It was the last scene of the evening. Michael was having fun with it, like a little boy playing army. He took a strong stance, and fired as the cameras rolled.

That was a wrap for that evening, and we were given our call time for the next morning.

Michael was a little late arriving the next day. I was waiting in his trailer. He walked in so distraught. I didn’t understand, we were having so much fun the night before. He was silent as he sat in the makeup chair. I had to ask him please tell me. Please tell me what is wrong.

His eyes welled up with tears. “Mother called last night. The church called her, and told her that I held and fired a gun yesterday. They ordered that I have to make decision. I must leave the church, or leave the entertainment industry.” He was weeping as he uttered those words.

I was quite mortified. “What did your mother advise you to do?”

“She felt horrible. She told me it was up to me. She said she would stand by me with whatever I decided.”

“I see, you are here today”.

“Yes”

“Mother is supporting my choice”.

It took a while for Michael to adjust to his choice. He continued to feel uncomfortable with his birthday, but attended fan events in his honor, and truly enjoyed them.

When I was around him during Christmas, he would hide in his own closet to secretly wrap presents. He still held a tinge of guilt. I knew it was difficult for him, but I know he loved all the decorations that NEVER came down. He could freely give his children the birthdays that he never had. I knew deep down inside the Jehovah Witness teachings continued to hold a sacred place inside of him. That is why I was forever torn by not saying “Happy Birthday”. He never released me from my promise to not say it to him."
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Re: PRINCE

Postby Cordelia » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:31 pm

Novem5er » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:36 pm wrote:
I love that skit. It's a point of reference for a large chunk of the jokes and clever remarks I make in life :)


Prince must have loved it too; he used it for a cover's art :partydance: :

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(Much better video of the skit is included on link below)

"On Friday, he shared the insane and incredible cover art for his single, "Breakfast Can Wait", as Consequence of Sound points out. It features the comedian Dave Chappelle, and was inspired by Chappelle's impersonation of Prince on his show, which you can watch below."

http://pitchfork.com/news/51948-prince- ... chappelle/
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Re: PRINCE

Postby brekin » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:00 pm

Cordelia » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:31 pm wrote:
Novem5er » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:36 pm wrote:
I love that skit. It's a point of reference for a large chunk of the jokes and clever remarks I make in life :)


Prince must have loved it too; he used it for a cover's art :partydance: :

Image

(Much better video of the skit is included on link below)

"On Friday, he shared the insane and incredible cover art for his single, "Breakfast Can Wait", as Consequence of Sound points out. It features the comedian Dave Chappelle, and was inspired by Chappelle's impersonation of Prince on his show, which you can watch below."

http://pitchfork.com/news/51948-prince- ... chappelle/


Hilarious Chapelle interview talking about the cover album and how it was a "Prince Judo move". Also, him talking about meeting Kanye for the first time, golden:

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Re: PRINCE

Postby Laodicean » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:04 pm



Just have a strong intuition that Prince watched this video on YouTube while eating Pancakes, and loved it.

On Edit:

Here is the UK ComedyCentral Youtube link:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZxYjqqjZM
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Re: PRINCE

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:02 pm

Love that Dave Chappelle skit, but never knew Prince really did play ball

Prince was quite the athlete in high school
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Re: PRINCE

Postby backtoiam » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:16 pm

Very long article. more at link


EXCLUSIVE: Prince's former drug dealer tells how the legend spent $40,000 at a time on six-month supplies of Dilaudid pills and Fentanyl patches - highly addictive opioid pain killers - for 25 years


Prince's former drug dealer has revealed the full extent of the late-star's secret drug addiction - telling how the superstar was hooked on powerful opiates for over 25 years.

Speaking exclusively to Daily Mail Online, the performer's long-time dealer - who asked to be named only as Doctor D - revealed the singer would spend up to $40,000 a time on six-month supplies of Dilaudid pills and Fentanyl patches - both highly addictive opioid pain killers.

Prince, who was found dead on Thursday at his home in Minneapolis, Minnesota, was secretly cremated in an intimate ceremony at a nondescript funeral home in Minneapolis shortly after an autopsy was completed on Friday, Radar reports.

Prince's sister Tyka Nelson and another family member reportedly spent a few minutes saying goodbye at the First Memorial Waterston Chapel before the musician was cremated.

His death came just days after sources claimed he overdosed on the opiate Percocet.

Doctor D said the musician, who he described as 'majorly addicted', regularly bought drugs from him between 1984 and 2008.

The dealer, often to the stars, said Prince suffered crippling stage fright and could not get on stage and perform without the drugs - but had a phobia of doctors so could not obtain a prescription legally.

Tragically, Doctor D suggests it could have been a physician that unknowingly contributed to Prince's death - by prescribing strong pain killers to the singer for his hip condition without knowing the extent of his secret opiate addiction.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z46hxScnQV
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Re: PRINCE

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:25 pm

backtoiam » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:16 pm wrote:Very long article. more at link


EXCLUSIVE: Prince's former drug dealer tells how the legend spent $40,000 at a time on six-month supplies of Dilaudid pills and Fentanyl patches - highly addictive opioid pain killers - for 25 years


Prince's former drug dealer has revealed the full extent of the late-star's secret drug addiction - telling how the superstar was hooked on powerful opiates for over 25 years.

Speaking exclusively to Daily Mail Online, the performer's long-time dealer - who asked to be named only as Doctor D - revealed the singer would spend up to $40,000 a time on six-month supplies of Dilaudid pills and Fentanyl patches - both highly addictive opioid pain killers.

Prince, who was found dead on Thursday at his home in Minneapolis, Minnesota, was secretly cremated in an intimate ceremony at a nondescript funeral home in Minneapolis shortly after an autopsy was completed on Friday, Radar reports.

Prince's sister Tyka Nelson and another family member reportedly spent a few minutes saying goodbye at the First Memorial Waterston Chapel before the musician was cremated.

His death came just days after sources claimed he overdosed on the opiate Percocet.

Doctor D said the musician, who he described as 'majorly addicted', regularly bought drugs from him between 1984 and 2008.

The dealer, often to the stars, said Prince suffered crippling stage fright and could not get on stage and perform without the drugs - but had a phobia of doctors so could not obtain a prescription legally.

Tragically, Doctor D suggests it could have been a physician that unknowingly contributed to Prince's death - by prescribing strong pain killers to the singer for his hip condition without knowing the extent of his secret opiate addiction.

Scroll down for video

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z46hxScnQV


Hmmm...so now we're supposed to take the word of an anonymous drug dealer.
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Re: PRINCE

Postby backtoiam » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:36 pm

^^^My first thoughts too. One thing that made it seem a little more credible was the amount of detail he claims to be giving about Prince. But who knows...

I found it incredibly odd that the niagra falls were running purple on the same day in honor of the queen. Quite a coincidence.
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