Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

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Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Nordic » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:47 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eoin-higg ... 56614.html

I hate the huff post, but this is a must-read. Jill Stein is going on record telling the TRUTH.

She's the only one I'll vote for. Not that my vote matters, or counts.

There's just so much good stuff in here, I found it very surprising that a near-mainstream candidate would actually say these things.

An Interview With Dr. Jill Stein on the Democratic Party and Electoral Chances for Real Change


"The course of recent events has made it apparent we need to go outside of the Democratic Party to effect real change," Dr. Jill Stein said in a phone interview last week.

American politics is a two party system. The country is roughly split down geographic lines that mirror an ideological divide: urban liberal elites versus rural conservative populists.

Democrats versus Republicans.

The deadlocked split between the two main forces in American politics hasn't allowed for a viable third party movement. The Republican Party has successfully absorbed right wing movements and the Democrats have absorbed left wing movements.

"The idea that the Democrats are going to save us is ridiculous," said Stein. She points to trade deals as evidence of this.

"Who is pushing the Trans Pacific Partnership? President Obama and the Democrats." Stein said that the legislation would have lasting detrimental consequences for the US and the world.

"The TPP is putting investors on same level of nation states," Stein explained. "Anyone who supports it should be taken to court and accused of treason. The TPP is dismantling of the framework of democracy. And the fact is, the Democrats are leading the charge."

Stein has been thoroughly unimpressed with the Obama years.

The Obama presidency has spent its time "expanding war and attacking our civil liberties," said Stein. "On civil liberties, on the press, using the espionage laws, Obama has been the worst president in history. And there's been no-one worse for immigrants."

Stein is unhappy with the Obama administration's record on the environment as well. "There's a lot of lovely rhetoric on climate change, but no action. Production of fossil fuel has skyrocketed under Obama."

The administration's self-proclaimed environmental successes don't ring true for Stein.

"Even while they patted themselves on the back for Paris, behind closed doors they were lifting the ban on oil exports from the US. To lift that is to massively increase oil production" and correlatively increase the global destruction of the environment.

Stein acknowledges that her supporters are amenable to the goals of the Democrats to varying degrees, and that many will vote for the party in close elections. But, she said, this support is part of the problem.

"Reformist campaigns in the Democratic Party hold us back," she explained. Working to fix a broken political wing of the deep state, Stein said, cannot result in positive and lasting movements for the left.

"The deep state is written into the DNA of the Democratic Party," Stein said.

"Deep state" is shorthand for "predatory banks, fossil fuel giants, and the war industry." A consequence of concentrated political power in the hands of just two parties is a correlated concentration of targeted influence by the powerful.

"That deep state cabal is calling the shots behind closed doors," Stein said, "And in order to catch the predator, you must name it."

"You can't just attack the billionaires, you have to go after the political parties in bed with the billionaires."

It's a veiled swipe at Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Sanders is riding a populist wave to a strong challenge for the Democratic nomination.

"There are many things about Sanders that are great. We agree on a lot domestically," said Stein. "But to allow yourself to be lulled into compliance with the Democratic Party means you're allowing yourself to be reined in from establishing a real progressive message."

Stein said that she wished Sanders wouldn't divert his energy into a presidential campaign for the Democrats. "Sanders has taken the right domestic positions in the wrong party," she sighed. They will seek to destroy his campaign if he gets close to securing the nomination."

There's ample historical precedent to back up her statement. In 1944, Henry Wallace's bid for the Democrat Party's vice-presidential nomination was defeated as the DNC shut off his mic at the convention and gave the duties to Truman.

"You don't have to even go that far back," Stein said, "The DNC installed a kill switch to prevent a true progressive nominee after McGovern got the nomination in 1972."

McGovern's resounding defeat was followed a decade later with the DNC changing the rules for super-delegates. The super-delegates were given outsized power to ensure an acceptable nominee for the party's patrons.

"Clinton is stacking delegates already," Stein sighed, "It's over. The party machinery is behind her. They destroyed Howard Dean and they destroyed Dennis Kucinich. The Democratic Party will dismantle any truly threatening campaign."

Stein and the Green Party are offering an alternative to the Democrats, she said. The Green Party represents a real leftist party in American politics that will stand by its principles. And if Stein is lucky enough to be the party's nominee again in 2016, she hopes to bring the party's message from its nominating convention in Houston in August to the nation.

"The Democrats won't do it for us," she said. "We have to establish a political vehicle."

That vehicle includes a "Green New Deal" which Stein says will green the economy and social

For Stein and the Green Party, the way forward takes the third path. "It's hard to have a revolutionary candidate in an anti-revolutionary party," she said.

"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:55 pm

Wow. Maybe I won't leave my ballot blank where the category of President is concerned. It would be the first time I've voted Green for President in 16 years. Yeah, voting for Nader and getting eight years of Cheney/Bush left a sour taste in my mouth. But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:59 am

Jill Stein's twitter account has been going pretty hard since the last few primaries.

Dr. Jill Stein wrote:Doing things that caused ISIS in the first place will just lead to more ISIS.

Dr. Jill Stein wrote:I'm going to use my #womancard to welcome women immigrants to the US, *and* to stop invading the countries of other women.#ImWithThem

Dr. Jill Stein wrote:Hillary is not the only self-identified woman running for President. But she's the only one that toured the world advocating fracking.


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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu May 12, 2016 12:28 pm

Jill Stein AmA at reddit.com yesterday:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ ... idate_for/
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And at the same time,
Don't believe that they say anything without a reason.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Elihu » Thu May 12, 2016 3:56 pm

Paul Ryan Encouraged With Donald Trump But Fails to Give His Endorsement



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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby American Dream » Thu May 12, 2016 8:29 pm

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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby justdrew » Thu May 12, 2016 11:04 pm

"Who is pushing the Trans Pacific Partnership? President Obama and the Democrats." Stein said that the legislation would have lasting detrimental consequences for the US and the world.


well, the logic is that they have no choice but to chase the "center" in order to prevent us devolving into a one party state, which in case no one's noticed, we're pretty damn close to. IF they had a good chunk of the current non-voters or vanity-candidate voters that could be counted on to turn out, the logic could change. Look how much the "tea party" caucus changed the republican party. The same potential exists, but oooo.. purity is so much more important than making common cause with the only potential allies in the room. Or actually accomplishing anything. Good luck with "going outside the democratic party" - I'm not sure most of the electorate will notice an exit. Since when were they inside? and even if they get a few reps elected to some legislature? Guess what? What party are they going to choose to caucus with?

The one the would as soon see them all lined up and shot as commies or the other one that's in at least partial agreement? :roll:

all that said, I mostly agree with her on probably most things. but we need a realistic path to fixing the bullshit, and that's going to take a powerful voting block that can be counted on to show up. Anything else is just going to be ignored.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Nordic » Fri May 13, 2016 1:36 am

Dude everything is going to be ignored except massive demonstrations that literally stop the gears of the machine.

Occupy had the right idea but you don't just occupy some shotty little park, you enter the buildings, you occupy them and you HOLD them. You shut down Wall Street. Shut it the fuck down with sheer numbers. Don't let anybody in or out. Any system can be overwhelmed by numbers. There are a finite number of cops.

Nothing else will work. Voting will do NOTHING. They just throw our votes away and make up some numbers and tell us how "we" voted anyway.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Nordic » Fri May 13, 2016 1:38 am

We're getting to a point where it's literally an issue of self defense. In cases of self defense all bets are off.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri May 13, 2016 4:49 am

something will happen, once the silent majority feels it has nothing left to lose. but that is expected and will be countered. we must ensure that the ridiculousness of the diversions put forward are highlighted and understood for what they really are. it's going to be extremely difficult to turn our backs on an edifice that we have allowed to flourish, in which we find ourselves immersed, with no backup/redundancy escape plan. but not impossible. epochal. a new renaissance. after the storm.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby justdrew » Fri May 13, 2016 9:51 pm

Voting will do NOTHING


it's easy to feel that way, yet reality shows that some people voting and others not voting has had a major impact.

certainly some PTB attempt to exercise a lot of control, but they only need to keep the river flowing in a given direction, if it wallows to the left or right a bit, that's natural and inevitable and allowed to happen. While we may not like the over all direction, it's still better if the river edges more one way than the other.

but it's not just the PTB, a substantial # of people are doing ok to great and aren't all that interested in major radical changes. Like it or not their opinions are counted along with the rest of the votes.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri May 13, 2016 10:35 pm

I made the mistake of reading through Jill Stein's reddit AMA today. That was a mistake (though she seems cool).
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Nordic » Fri May 13, 2016 10:36 pm

Agent Orange Cooper » Fri May 13, 2016 9:35 pm wrote:I made the mistake of reading through Jill Stein's reddit AMA today. That was a mistake (though she seems cool).



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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Sat May 14, 2016 2:50 pm

I mean, it's reddit—but more specifically, just the hordes of people who are all "if you are so pro-Science why don't you love GMOs and vaccines and why don't you universally condemn homeopathy?!?!?" Then that comment gets gilded with 'reddit gold' three times over.
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Re: Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun May 15, 2016 10:28 pm

You're right, Luther. I really thought the Green Party would have taken root and grown larger by now than it presently is.

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