The “Alternative Right"

[jakell]

Can someone please explain where AD's posts threaten anyone?...

As a possibly more impartial observer, and one who was not and never will be part of the RI 'club'. my take on this might be of interest.

The old hands here, who raise objections, seem to be mainly concerned that he isn't using the place as a discussion forum and, on top of that seems disinterested in the other users anyway (something which seems to be largely reciprocated). For a low-volume poster this wouldn't be an issue, but it's different for someone who posts a lot.

In other words, it's not particularly personal, it's about the misuse of a favoured hangout. I think the apparent personal elements are creeping in due to unresolved cumulative frustrations at this and I also think may be being encouraged a bit to the create a camouflage. There's nothing new about what I've said here, it's been made clear lots of times, so don't blame the messenger for simply highlighting it.

[coffin_dodger]

Because it's not going to affect me one way or the other. I know where I stand. Ain't no thang.

If that's the case - why do you take part in RI - a discussion board? A place where differing views are voiced and the reader left to make up their own mind? I knew when I joined RI it was a 'left-leaning' (whatever the hell that means these days) discussion board with added woo - I liked it just fine. I might fit in. But living in splendid isolation, critisising others, building an internal picture of love or hate - without actually engaging the opposition is blind folly. Seeking refuge amongst like-minds is comforting, but also insular.

[82_28]

I do not consider AD to be an "opposition" he is who he is, just like you are who you are, and I am who I am. Another esteemed member here ran into AD the other night and he's just a leftist activist. People do what they do and that's how it goes. The first principle in life is to not give others shit.

Yeah yeah. Another bartending story but I would always say "lay it on me" when someone would divulge shit that I did not know. Perhaps it is not pertinent here. But I really don't give a fuck. I have 0% concern for what AD has to say or post. He is free to do what he does. That's up to him as well as every single thing any one of us on this ghost ship has to say as well.

[Elihu]

I forgot to add about your swill "inconclusive"

Surely we all know that not all rapists are queer bashers or racists- 

Well Why don't you be a little more #!÷××£& careful then?

There are those who practice all of the above in various times and places, 

what do you want to do,start hunting them down? My consistent take on you is that you have been promised a job in the revolutionary administration and your office will be a cork - lined basement

[coffin_dodger]

The first principle in life is to not give others shit.

I really have no idea where you are going with this. What do you think AD is doing, when exposing countless other copy-pasta people on this website as people to be despised, cast out and vilified? The countless times he has accused other members of this board as being anti-semetic, racists, homophobes, sketchy, problematic and people of that ilk? Somehow, he isn't giving them shit? Yet, I am 'giving others shit'? for pointing this out? This is some weird shit, right here.

[82_28]

I stated exactly where I was going with that. This ain't no argument. I don't give a shit what AD says or you as far as how it affects me. That is up to the people who post what they post. In life, I have never singled people out. He's just a person who has his interests, like him or hate him he's doing what he wants to do and is free to do so.

[coffin_dodger]

I have never singled people out. He's just a person who has his interests, like him or hate him he's doing what he wants to do and is free to do so.

So why are you telling me to leave him alone - why apply one standard to him and another different to me? Why am I not free to say what I like, like AD is? Is it because he's been here a long time, is he your mate, do you like his ideas better than mine - what is it?

[82_28]

Because conflict solves absolutely nothing. Don't create it. Easy.

[norton ash]

Because conflict solves absolutely nothing. Don't create it. Easy.

Shark jumped.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Not to pile on here -- though I will admit c_d is raising some cogent points about this, as I've been similarly perplexed by it (though not quite as deft in my expressions of it) -- but:

I don't give a shit what AD says or you as far as how it affects me.

How it affects you has zero relevance on how it may affect another reading his contributions. Your reaction to AD may not be the same as another's, and -- using your own philosophy -- others should feel welcome to opine/disagree as they deem fit without this constant interruption.

In life, I have never singled people out. He's just a person who has his interests, like him or hate him he's doing what he wants to do and is free to do so.

"he's doing what he wants to do and is free to do so" -- is that stance specific to this forum only (if so, I agree, so long as it adheres to the boundaries of this forum's guidelines), or is that your stance generally, in life?
If the latter, I'm sure you can appreciate how problematic such a philosophy can be if applied explicitly. You'd have ZERO ground to comment on any behavior by anyone. Politicians? Murderers? White-Collar criminals? TRUMP? At what point do we draw the line? Have you not singled out certain bad actors in the world-at-large within this forum from time to time?

I'm simply at a loss as to the impetus behind your need to protect and/or defend AD. I'm sure AD can defend his/her position -- and has, when AD feels inclined to do so -- quite ably on his/her own.
As you have pointed out NUMEROUS times, you don't need to click on this topic if it disturbs your sensitivities... just ignore it, man, or risk contradicting yourself further.

[Luther Blissett]

Well, young American people of all stripes certainly think like American Dream and these varied tactics of antifascism are going to become increasingly important in American society in coming years, it's just not really voiced here much by others.

There's definitely a real multitendency grassroots reactionary movement in the U.S. that pairs oh so sweetly with conventional power. I for one think that it needs to be discussed way more at Rigorous Intuition.

And I swear I try to imagine that Jakell really is just a super rigorous antifascist - so rigorous that we just don't have the right tactics and tools yet to save innocent people from the creeping spectre of new fascism - and maybe they are but it's becoming increasingly difficult to imagine that. And I'm sticking by that multitendency reactionary thing. I don't care if you are a white supremacist or a redpill rapist because I've seen the writing on the wall regarding dystopian dreams.

[82_28]

I "protect" him because of an esteemed member here knows him in real life and I think AD's intents are inherently good. I do not like to see any entity hounded. That's just what it seems like to me. Just post. But don't be a dick.

Think of it like show and tell in school. All he is doing is sharing whatever the fuck it is he's been reading. For some fucking reason RI means a lot to me and came through in our past darkest hours. It sounds idiotic but I stick around because shit like this don't affect me.

Again, AD does not bother me whatsoever and I think he should be shown a level of respect because of this quirkiness.

[American Dream]

Ok here's my brief- and only - response:

I have left wing views and love critical social theory, very much including an evolving praxis that centers White Supremacy, Patriarchy, Heteronormativity and a host of "isms" along with a solid critique of The State and Capitalism. I have zero sympathy for Fascism and the Far Right in all their variants, especially the "neither Right nor Left" varieties.

I am well aware that we are commonly agreed that this will not be a place to organize for the Far Right, in any of its bigoted, hateful forms.

If you don't like the sort of content that includes such anti-fascist themes, then don't read it. You may not be the intended audience and I have zero interest in dialogue with the folks I consider to be with the Far Right. We know there are plenty of conspiracy sites that welcome xenophobes, anti-semites, racists, misogynists and all the rest of the bigots, so anyone here with such sympathies has options.

If you don't like that sort of content, then don't read it.

End of story.

[Belligerent Savant]

I "protect" him because of an esteemed member here knows him in real life and I think AD's intents are inherently good. I do not like to see any entity hounded. That's just what it seems like to me. Just post. But don't be a dick.

Think of it like show and tell in school. All he is doing is sharing whatever the fuck it is he's been reading. For some fucking reason RI means a lot to me and came through in our past darkest hours. It sounds idiotic but I stick around because shit like this don't affect me.

Again, AD does not bother me whatsoever and I think he should be shown a level of respect because of this quirkiness.

An "esteemed" member! This is a fucking message board for christ fucking sakes.
(and don't fool yourself into thinking "shit like this don't affect me" -- clearly, it does.)

I get that YOU think AD's‎ intentions are inherently good (and they may well be -- I personally don't factor that into the content itself).

But again, you continue to project your own thoughts/feelings into this and expect all others to act accordingly/be in line with whatever your own thoughts and feelings are (contradicting yourself along the way), and that's simply absurd.

What you need, dude, is a Virtual Reality version of RigInt. That way, you can set it up just how YOU like it, within YOUR comfort zone. You can preserve the sanctity of this precious forum on YOUR terms. Your own RigInt sandbox.
You wouldn't need to fret any longer.

But otherwise, stop trying to control what you CAN'T control. Follow your own advice. Re-read what YOU typed with respect to AD and apply it to ALL.

It will all work itself out in the end.

[jakell]

Well, young American people of all stripes certainly think like American Dream and these varied tactics of antifascism are going to become increasingly important in American society in coming years, it's just not really voiced here much by others.

There's definitely a real multitendency grassroots reactionary movement in the U.S. that pairs oh so sweetly with conventional power. I for one think that it needs to be discussed way more at Rigorous Intuition.

And I swear I try to imagine that Jakell really is just a super rigorous antifascist - so rigorous that we just don't have the right tactics and tools yet to save innocent people from the creeping spectre of new fascism - and maybe they are but it's becoming increasingly difficult to imagine that. And I'm sticking by that multitendency reactionary thing. I don't care if you are a white supremacist or a redpill rapist because I've seen the writing on the wall regarding dystopian dreams.

Not sure how I have appeared in what seems to be mainly an historical RI feud, but I haven't called myself an antifascist for years.

I've given my reasons for this many times on here, admittedly they have been brought into relief somewhat by the many outings the expression gets on here. One more time won't hurt I suppose:
I regard 'anti-fascism' as a dynamic thing, something that needs attention and action, so one isn't being an antifascist by simply posting stuff on an internet forum and then sitting back, one needs to locate opponents and tackle them until a resolution is found, whether online or in meatspace. Additionally, one is not being an antifascist by inventing or exaggerating opposition either (which I see antifa types doing a lot), possibly criticism of this is the nearest I come to the fray nowadays.

There is a nearby position that one can claim for oneself though which doesn't steal the well deserved thunder of real activists, and that is simply 'non-fascist'. Admittedly this is not so swashbucklingly wankworthy** as the other term, but it's probably more realistic.
I came up with this after all the many many claims that " RI is an anti-fascist board". It's not IMO, it's a non-fascist board. I reckon Jeff opened a mini Pandora's box when he penned that one.

I agree I am super rigorous though... to a fault. It isn't entertaining or pretty and tends to bore the pants off of people, but I don't care. I learned long ago to first get my ducks properly in a row on forums, especially when broaching grave issues (the present one for instance).


** Yet again, one of those 'Masculinities of The Left'.