Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[semper occultus]

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Omar Mateen may not have understood the difference between ISIS, al-Qaeda and Hezbollah

www.washingtonpost.com

Speaking to reporters Monday, FBI Director James B. Comey said that during his 911 calls, Mateen said he was a supporter of the Islamic State, the extremist Sunni group also known as ISIS that controls a significant expanse of territory in Syria and Iraq. Media outlets linked to the Islamic State later claimed Mateen as their own, describing him as "one of the soldiers of the caliphate in America."

Mateen also mentioned the 2013 Boston bombing during his calls. That attack, which left three dead and more than 260 injured, was carried out by the Tsarnaev brothers. While the brothers were not found to be directly linked to a foreign group, they were partly motivated by a magazine published by al-Qaeda's affiliate in Yemen. (According to the Guardian, Mateen's admiration for the Tsarnaev brothers went back further. In 2013, Mateen is believed to have told the FBI that he knew the two bombers, though investigators later concluded that this relationship had been fabricated.)

Comey said that during the calls, Mateen also mentioned Moner Mohammad Abusalha, a fellow Floridian who had traveled to Syria to fight with Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria. Mateen had been investigated by the FBI for his contact with Abusalha in 2014, but the case was quickly closed. Abusalha returned to Syria, where he killed himself in a suicide attack.

Further confusing matters, Comey also revealed that in "inflammatory and contradictory" comments to co-workers in 2013, Mateen had claimed to be a member of Hezbollah, the Shiite militia based in Lebanon.

[seemslikeadream]

Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’



Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento told his congregation that Christians “shouldn’t be mourning the death of 50 sodomites.”

[semper occultus]

I lost my mother-in-law to gun violence not two years back. It was terrible. My wife and I are still recovering emotionally.

...horrible ..very sorry to hear that....

[NeonLX]

How very Christian of that pastor. He ain't preaching Jesus. He's preaching satan.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I do believe people were injured and that people died, but on the scale they reported? No way.

Could you please explain the logic in killing just a few and pretending to kill more, or whetever the thinking is behind this notion?

No shit, right?

Fuck you Backtoiam. Fuck you Elihu. Fuck you agent dipshit. And fuck you divideandconquer.

Heh, obviously your judgment on this matter is not at all clouded by a visceral emotional reaction to a massive propaganda campaign!

[MacCruiskeen]

And our corporate propaganda outlets all breathlessly reported the "911 call in which the shooter pledged his allegiance to ISIS."

And nobody asks for a transcript or even a timestamp. And nobody asks anything about what the emergency department's response to this 911 call was. And nobody tries to locate or interview the those at the emergency department who took this 911 call. And nobody asks why a Shiite Muslim who supposedly claimed family connections to Hezbollah, a Shiite organization that is a bitter enemy of the so-called Islamic State, would pledge his allegiance to the Sunni Islamic State.

But our corporate propaganda outlets have no problem with unquestioningly releasing bizarre FBI released details about what are now termed multiple 911 calls. (How many? When? From where?)

Hank Shaw, head of the FBI's field office in Boston, said in a statement to NBC News that "During one of the 911 calls between the operator and Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, Mateen made a reference to the Tsarnaev brothers by calling them his 'homeboys.' At this point in time, all evidence collected to date shows no connection between Mateen and the Tsarnaev brothers."

This, exactly. Nobody asks -- nobody in the corporate media and damn few on any "left" or "alternative" or "progressive" websites either. Journalism is dead. To actually practise journalism is more than any journalist's job's worth. (It's a sackable offence.)

"Journalism" today is just one damn thing after another, all of it in the context of no-context. And nothing is any less plausible than anything else, provided only that it come from one of those hallowed "official sources", in which case it's unquestionable, however absurd, implausible, unsupported by any independent evidence or even demonstrably untrue it might be. Journalism is Stenography plus Emotion.

So right now we know (because we are instructed to know) that the killer was a misogynistic happily-married lawless police-worshipping unpredictable reliable gay homophobic Sunni Shiite, a person of great interest to the FBI but of no interest to the Feds.

Any questions? Be careful not to ask them. Someone might call you a Conspiracy Theorist.

[seemslikeadream]

Any questions? Be careful not to ask them. Someone might call you a Conspiracy Theorist.......or tell you to go fuck yourself

[82_28]

Damn, if this thread keeps up like this I'll be the only one left. Try not to say fuck you to people. I may use the word fuck quite a bit but I never ever even in real life use the word personally. It can be done.

Here's an example of one of the only ways I use the word: Everyone chill the fuck out.

This fucking thread wasn't to incite anyone to get banned or suspended. It is about the topic at hand. Stick to it. Thanks!

[Cordelia]

I lost my mother-in-law to gun violence not two years back. It was terrible. My wife and I are still recovering emotionally.

...horrible ..very sorry to hear that....

As above......be easy on yourself with recovery; two years is still very recent. Sorry you & family have to be reminded as gun violence increases.

[Elihu]

this makes no sense to me.
If you're gonna ruthlessly slaughter some people, why fake anything? Why does it make any sense at all to NOT leave a big pile of bodies if you are terrorizing and psychologically brutalizing people in the first place?

Fits the conspiracy theory. The terror brutalization targets are the tv watching millions not the clubbers, there would be additional physical evidence to control and more eye-witnesses.

[brainpanhandler]

I lost my mother-in-law to gun violence not two years back. It was terrible. My wife and I are still recovering emotionally.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I do believe people were injured and that people died, but on the scale they reported? No way.

Could you please explain the logic in killing just a few and pretending to kill more, or whetever the thinking is behind this notion?

No shit, right?

Fuck you Backtoiam. Fuck you Elihu. Fuck you agent dipshit. And fuck you divideandconquer.

RI is gonna be pretty slow before this story dies down, methinks. That's textbook, right there: see you next Tuesday.

[Elihu]

what is the official story at this time?

So right now we know (because we are instructed to know) that the killer was a misogynistic happily-married lawless police-worshipping unpredictable reliable gay homophobic Sunni Shiite, a person of great interest to the FBI but of no interest to the Feds. 

Any questions? Be careful not to ask them. Someone might call you a Conspiracy Theorist.

Thank you.

And it's not CT, the feds have arranged to have official dissent branded bigotry and intolerance. That way they can keep the tax money and not have to run the lynch mobs themselves. Those centered on officialdom will do it voluntarily at their own expense. As you can see.

[JackRiddler]

...further adddressed here...

Omar Mateen may not have understood the difference between ISIS, al-Qaeda and Hezbollah

Which fits perfectly with his actual first identity as an American.

[JackRiddler]

Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’



Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento told his congregation that Christians “shouldn’t be mourning the death of 50 sodomites.”

We need to thank this exceptional asshole for possibly helping to keep the focus in this case where it belongs: anti-gay, exterminationist hatred, not "radical Islamism."