Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[Nordic]

Re: the Dad connection. This would be fairly typical. The "underwear bomber" had a spooky connected father, as did the Wannabe assassin of Reagan of course, John Hinckley, the family friends of the man who would have become president had Reagan died. Pretty sure I'm leaving a few others out.

[Jerky]

The Boston bombers' uncle!

[Jerky]

100 percent agreement on the friendly fire aspect. They probably account for half or more of the body count.

Of course, that's just my hunch.

YOPJ

Why are all these pictures with the Bernie Sanders doctor so damn creepy?

In the closer shots he looks more like Richard Dreyfuss.

I think the cops were responsible for a great deal of the deaths. But we'll never know because they will never ever release the ballistics tests on the bodies that shows this.

[barracuda]

LiveLeak: audio of the Orlando SWAT engaging the shooter:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c0_1465817672

PULSE nightclub flyer for the evening of the 11th:

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[JackRiddler]

To post a different perspective from my own, to which I don't have an easy answer.

http://www.mockingbirdpaper.com/content/my-guns-saved-my-life-when-state-and-liberals-left-me-die

My Guns Saved My Life when the state and the liberals left me to die.

Author: Gerry Bello

I own firearms. I'm a leftist. Not a #feelthebern leftist. Bernie is too far to the right for me. Because of my politics, men have come to my home to kill me. This has happened more than once. When it did happen the only things that saved my life, and the lives of my roommates, were training and the physical possession of effective tools.

I'll tell one story that will put the current clamor for more control on everyone and everything in perspective. I was actively organizing against the KKK and other white supremacists. So were my roommates and my entire social circle. The FBI attempted to contact me but claimed they could not find me. They got a call from a payphone via an intermediary. The agent, tired and wishing he didnt have to do this said “I am required by statute to inform you that we have credible threats against your life from white power groups.” He got my lawyer's phone number. I was not going to talk to him.

It was really clear that the FBI would rather bungle the investigation of my death than prevent it. We detected the surveillance attempts by the white supremacists. We allowed their surveillance to see that we were well armed. They went away. The FBI did not have us under surveillance. There was a police precinct house three blocks away. The police were never on our block. We were being set up to die.

The FBI knew what these guys were up to. The FBI knew where we were because these nazis did. Planning to murder someone in conjunction with another person and then putting your target under surveillance is a felony. It is conspiracy to commit murder. The FBI could have arrested and prosecuted these guys at any time. The FBI did not do so. The police were actively not present. The FBI did what was the barest minimum. We saved our own lives and we only could do so because we were armed.

This was not the only time in my life this happened. I was in Mississippi once defending a Planned Parenthood Clinic from militant pro-life activists. Planned Parenthood did not want our help. Both local and national pro-choice groups did not want our help. On the very first day of the protests somebody planted a fake bomb in the park where we were. We marched against this violence. The police arrested some of us for jaywalking.

We had our own house there. We rented it and filled it with activists. We knew that to control our own actions, politics and message we needed total control of our own logistics and safety. Our house had a gun locker. It turned out we needed it.

We took great care not to be followed home by the pro-lifers. They were not successful in finding us through direct surveillance. The police did find us and they did watch us. On the last day of the protests several car loads of pro-lifers came by and circled the block constantly. The only way these people could have found the house was if the police told them. The police were helping them to kill us. I was in the house alone. I displayed that I was armed, and very well armed at that. They're circling stopped. They backed off.

In both situations I had the kind of firearms that people scream to ban. Serious weapons with hi-capacity magazines. The kind of guns that bounce their head off the glass ceiling of legality. I have never discharged these weapons at anything more dangerous then a paper silhouette. However, as soon as my enemies knew that I had this capability, they fled, never to return. My enemies were planning on killing unarmed liberals. The police and the FBI helped my enemies. Once my enemies discovered I was not bringing a bong to a gun fight, they left.

The police will never disarm white supremacists and other right wing thugs. When people clamor for more background checks or denying firearm ownership to people on terrorist watch lists, they fail to understand the mentality of the people that make those lists.

In Minneapolis, now, today, the head of the Police Union is Bob Kroll. He is a white supremacist. He is part of a law enforcement only motorcycle club that openly displays neo-nazi imagery. He is not only allowed, but required to be armed. He has called Black Lives Matters a domestic terrorist organization. The perpetrator of the recent homophobic massacre in Orlando was a prison guard, thus allowed and required to be armed, and was trying to become a policeman. I grew up knowing policemen that I would not trust with anything more dangerous than a nail clipper.

When Bob Kroll calls Black Lives Matter domestic terrorists, he cites a shooting that happened while the group was occupying the entrance to the 4th precinct police station in Minneapolis. Three white supremacists from the suburbs came to force a confrontation. When ejected they fired on the crowd wounding several people. The White Supremacist Cop Union Leader Bob Kroll calls people terrorists for being shot at a non-violent protest by white supremacists while they were unarmed.

Gun Control is racist. We live in a society that is White Supremacist. Liberal icon and gun control advocate Hillary Clinton has called black teenagers “superpredators that need to be brought to heel.” Dogs are brought to heel. That is where the expression comes from. Hillary Clinton thinks that black people are dogs. Hillary Clinton wants more police at home, more war abroad, fewer guns in the hands of the people and she does not even think that black people are human beings. Who will be disarmed by Hillary Clinton?

Diane Feinstein is another leading liberal gun control advocate. Her husband is a billionaire who has directly profited from drone strikes on schools all over the middle east. Her core constituency is San Francisco, which has seen a recent uptick in the shooting of unarmed black men by police. She was mayor there before she was Senator. As Senator she is the head of the intelligence committee. She makes the rules which govern who gets put on what list.

The Orlando massacre was not an attack by ISIS. It was an attack by a homophobic prison guard and domestic abuser licensed by the state to be armed. The victims were majority black and brown. The victims friends are being denied the right to even donate blood because the state regulated hospitals and blood banks are officially homophobic by regulation.

The news today, and everyday, brings me a parade of how society is deeply racist, deeply sexist, and deeply homophobic. Nobody clamored for a crackdown when some transphobic person bombed a Target store for not conforming to their religiously based potty regulations. Indeed they clamor for the same racist, sexist and homophobic murdering policemen to guard bathrooms as if they were banks. Somehow, in all this, middle class liberals who have comfort of protection from a white supremacist state want the rest of us to be disarmed by that state. Their petitions and lobbying did not save my life. I saved my life through my own training and preparation. My life needed saving from people they hate who were being helped by the people that protect them because I putting it on the line for values and ideas they espouse. They can go back to their guarded gated communities and watch the rest of us earn, win, and live our own just society and decent lives.

[slimmouse]

Thanks for that Jack. Threads like this remind me of need to take comfort in the fact that this is all just a big ride.

Be the best you can be- and the rest will just have to take care of itself.

[FourthBase]

http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/13/orlando-shooter-dad-longtime-cia-asset/

ORLANDO SHOOTING DAD A LONGTIME CIA ASSET

Posted on June 13, 2016 by Daniel Hopsicker

The father of the man who slaughtered 50 people in the Orlando nightclub shooting Saturday night is a longtime CIA asset, whose TV show receives funding from the Voice of America -Dari. Pictured below is Seddique Mateen with California Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher



Rohrabacher was initially elected to Congress in 1988, with the fundraising help of friend Oliver North. Rohrabacher’s decades-long involvement in “all things Afghan” eventually earned him the nickname “Gunga Dana.” Today he chairs the United States House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia and Emerging Threats.

This morning President Obama called him a “home-grown” terrorist. In a series of phone interviews Monday morning, Donald Trump responded that “there’s something going on” with the President’s reaction to the Orlando shooting.

I guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


“It’s like calling Blackwater XE”

Orlando shooter Omar Mateen’s father said his son was not motivated by Islamist radical ideology, but in a Facebook video posted early Monday he said, “God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality.”

My own suspicion was first awakened on Monday morning when U.S. news outlets uniformly reported that the father’s TV show aired on “a U.S.-based Afghan satellite channel.”



That sort of circumlocution is typical when something is being hidden which the corporate media prefers we not ask questions about.

The name of the nameless Afghan satellite channel, Payam Afghan, is said to be widely-known in Southwest Asia as a CIA-Pakistani ISI construct, as this picture from Flicker shows.

The identification of shooter Omar Mateen also involved deception. He was said to work for a security company called G4S, which few have ever heard of. However, “G4S” is merely a re-branded “Wackenhut Corporation,” a name with a storied reputation for scandal in the U.S. and around the world.

Rohrabacher has stated that he sees radical Islam as the source of a major terrorist threat to the U.S. Calls to his office today to request comment on whether he views CIA assets relocated in the U.S. as a terrorist threat have not been returned.

I still don't understand how he could be a CIA/ISI asset and yet so aggressively and publicly anti-ISI. Is the idea like a Fair Play for Cuba thing?

[PufPuf93]

lI still don't understand how he could be a CIA/ISI asset and yet so aggressively and publicly anti-ISI. Is the idea like a Fair Play for Cuba thing?

4B

An aim of propaganda and covert ops is to define the limits and topics on both sides of an issue or conflict.

[Project Willow]

To post a different perspective from my own, to which I don't have an easy answer.

The trans national oligarchy is at war with the people all over the planet, the dumbest thing to do is surrender weaponry, of any kind. However, I could never say that out loud in my community. I'd be shamed into exile.

[Project Willow]

lI still don't understand how he could be a CIA/ISI asset and yet so aggressively and publicly anti-ISI. Is the idea like a Fair Play for Cuba thing?

4B

An aim of propaganda and covert ops is to define the limits and topics on both sides of an issue or conflict.

Agreed. His posture in the photos, and with various officials, makes him look like a useful idiot, which strengthens my suspicion that his son is at least a patsy, if not a full on lab created assassin. This is all speculation of course.

[JackRiddler]

lI still don't understand how he could be a CIA/ISI asset and yet so aggressively and publicly anti-ISI. Is the idea like a Fair Play for Cuba thing?

4B

An aim of propaganda and covert ops is to define the limits and topics on both sides of an issue or conflict.

One however has to seriously consider the hypothesis that the father is a marginal, mildly mentally ill stupid person, and that the apple didn't fall far from the tree. I mean, if you imagine them as just regular folks, and then think about how confused just regular folks (including well-educated ones) tend to be about most anything...

Ah, I see Willow got there first with "useful idiot." Or maybe just idiot, I'm saying. Though the other extreme of son as lab-created assassin of course is never impossible.

[0_0]

Omar Matten in The Big Fix (2012) -> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... _fix_2012/

[Project Willow]

[PufPuf93]

lI still don't understand how he could be a CIA/ISI asset and yet so aggressively and publicly anti-ISI. Is the idea like a Fair Play for Cuba thing?

4B

An aim of propaganda and covert ops is to define the limits and topics on both sides of an issue or conflict.

One however has to seriously consider the hypothesis that the father is a marginal, mildly mentally ill stupid person, and that the apple didn't fall far from the tree. I mean, if you imagine them as just regular folks, and then think about how confused just regular folks (including well-educated ones) tend to be about most anything...

Ah, I see Willow got there first with "useful idiot." Or maybe just idiot, I'm saying. Though the other extreme of son as lab-created assassin of course is never impossible.

I was specifically addressing 4B's question.

That said, the father could be a useful "marginal, mildly mentally ill stupid person, and that the apple didn't fall far from the tree" and;

1) The father be "used" without his own awareness; and,

2) Omar the shooter not be directly entangled in any way with father's endeavors but still influenced by osmosis in family life.

3) Omar the shooter is most certainly an evil, extremely mentally ill person. I have a spidey sense that Omar the Shooter was no more than an enraged attention seeking suicide that wanted to cause as much damage as possible who unfortunately had weapons training. If radical Islam, ISIL, and GLBT were not part of the common vernacular and adjacent to his life, Omar would have formulated an attention and damage seeking atrocity out of the elements of his sorry existence in an alternative reality.

Omar picked well in a media and society drunk with sensational violence.

I could be convinced and do ponder otherwise but this seems the most straightforward way to view the event.

[JackRiddler]

Our security guard sounds pretty fucking staged in that BP video, doesn't he now? Could always be tipsy and talkative, or some such.