Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[Sounder]

82-28 wrote....

I just flashed on that damn I could kill you right now.

I hear you, but that kind of flash is just the thing to make one think about how precious life is and the importance of being responsible for ones actions.

Consciousness precedes being, and folk that believe the opposite produce cities like 'gun free' Chicago where gun violence is higher than in more gun accessible areas.

[MacCruiskeen]

Sources (ffs): Grand jury to investigate Orlando shooter's widow

By Pamela Brown, Evan Perez, Holly Yan and Joe Sterling, CNN

Updated 1056 GMT (1856 HKT) June 16, 2016

(CNN)Federal investigators digging for clues in the Orlando nightclub massacre are zeroing in on Noor Salman, the widow of gunman [sic] Omar Mateen.

What did Salman know of his plans and what might she have done to stop him? Authorities have been trying to pin her down after she apparently gave conflicting statements about what she knew of his intentions in the hours before the attack.

A U.S. attorney plans to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether charges will be brought, according to two law enforcement officials.

The process could take some time, ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/or ... ar-mateen/

So they're still working her over. Maybe it'll take some determined waterboarding before she cracks, but I guess a few increasingly-unsubtle threats to her child will be enough to do the trick (eventually).


The Faces of Utter Evil

From the memory hole:

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Suskind, the Red Cross recently visited all of the prisoners at Guantanamo who had been transferred from secret CIA prisons, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. Do we know more about these CIA prisons, or "Black Sites" as a result of this visit?

Suskind: We know that almost everything from the tool kit was tried: extraordinary techniques that included hot and cold water-boarding and threats of various kinds. We tried virtually everything with Binalshibh. But he was resistant, and my understanding of that interrogation is that we got very, very little from it. At one point, there was some thinking that we should put out misinformation that Binalshihb had been cooperative, he had received money and he was living in luxury. So that would mean that his friends and family, who obviously are known to al-Qaida, might face retribuition, and we ended up not doing that.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: And what happened to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed?

Suskind: He was really the prize. He is the 9/11 operational planner [in the same way that SpongeBob is the Pope ], a kind of general in the al-Qaida firmament.[b] He was water-boarded, hot and cold, all matter of deprivations, beatings, threats. He told us some things, but frankly things that professional interrogators say could have been gotten otherwise.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: With waterboarding, the prisoner is made to feel as though he is drowing, even if he isn't really at risk of dying. There are reports that Mohammed was a kind of unoffical record-holder when it came to waterboarding.

Suskind: With extraordinary minutes passing he earned a sort of grudging respect from interrogators. The thing they did with Mohammed is that we had captured his children, a boy and a girl, age 7 and 9. And at the darkest moment we threatened grievous injury to his children if he did not cooperate. His response was quite clear: "That's fine. You can do what you want to my children, and they will find a better place with Allah." ...

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006_10_01_archive.html

[FourthBase]

At one point, there was some thinking that we should put out misinformation that Binalshihb had been cooperative, he had received money and he was living in luxury. So that would mean that his friends and family, who obviously are known to al-Qaida, might face retribuition, and we ended up not doing that.

What are we supposed to be alarmed about?

[MacCruiskeen]

About the state of your heart, soul and brain, Mister Base. (Since you feel the need to ask.)

[FourthBase]

About the state of your heart, soul and brain, Mister Base. (Since you feel the need to ask.)

Don't worry. I'm perfectly normal. KSM's emotional well-being means less than nothing to me. I don't care if a terrorist is threatened with misinformation.

You're the one who is, as always, deranged. Along with more than a few others here. Sorry folks, but when this is like the 50th or 100th time in a row that an apparent terrorist is supposed to have been an innocent patsy, you might want to check your theory for the coincidence-mongering.

[82_28]

82-28 wrote....

I just flashed on that damn I could kill you right now.

I hear you, but that kind of flash is just the thing to make one think about how precious life is and the importance of being responsible for ones actions.

Consciousness precedes being, and folk that believe the opposite produce cities like 'gun free' Chicago where gun violence is higher than in more gun accessible areas.

There are no answers. But championing gun ownership as a form of self-defense, to me, is stupid. Here's a good song that came to mind as far as the "gun free Chicago" reference -- Though he is referencing Oakland and such. It is a great song though. Circa 1994.



Paris is a rapper who is Muslim and member of The Black Panthers. Listen to that. Don't quite know how I got turned onto him in high school without an Internet for the most part.

[MacCruiskeen]

About the state of your heart, soul and brain, Mister Base. (Since you feel the need to ask.)

Don't worry. I'm perfectly normal. KSM's emotional well-being means less than nothing to me. I don't care if a terrorist is threatened with misinformation.

You're the one who is, as always, deranged. Along with more than a few others here. Sorry folks, but when this is like the 50th or 100th time in a row that an apparent terrorist is supposed to have been an innocent patsy, you might want to check your theory for the coincidence-mongering.

So that's why you call you Base. Nomen est omen.

Can you read?

Suskind: With extraordinary minutes passing he earned a sort of grudging respect from interrogators. The thing they did with Mohammed is that we had captured his children, a boy and a girl, age 7 and 9. And at the darkest moment we threatened grievous injury to his children if he did not cooperate. His response was quite clear: "That's fine. You can do what you want to my children, and they will find a better place with Allah." ...

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006_10_01_archive.html

They boast about it, you read those boasts, and you say precisely nothing. Because you're fine with it. Fine with waterboarding, fine with any kind of torture, fine with your hallowed Authorities threatening grievous injury to small children in order to extract an utterly worthless "confession" from the Designated Bad Guy. Because strong leadership, right?

What a run-of-the mill fascist you are. (Yes, I am choosing my words very carefully.) You deserve the America you have, and by god it deserves you, but some day soon you will be forced to stop inflicting it on the rest of this long-suffering planet. And then, of course, you'll claim you never knew. (You come from a long tradition.)

Now stop wasting everyone's time and stop forcing me to repeat myself, because not everyone on this board is either a fascist or an illiterate or both.

[FourthBase]

So that's why you call you Base. Nomen est omen.

Can you read?

Suskind: With extraordinary minutes passing he earned a sort of grudging respect from interrogators. The thing they did with Mohammed is that we had captured his children, a boy and a girl, age 7 and 9. And at the darkest moment we threatened grievous injury to his children if he did not cooperate. His response was quite clear: "That's fine. You can do what you want to my children, and they will find a better place with Allah." ...

http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006_10_01_archive.html

They boast about it, you read those boasts, and you say precisely nothing. Because you're fine with it. Fine with waterboarding, fine with any kind of torture, fine with your Authorities threatening grievous harm to small children in order to extract an utterly worthless "confession" from the Designated Bad Guy. Because strong leadership, right?

What a run-of-the mill fascist you are. (Yes, I am choosing my words carefully.) You deserve the America you have, and by god it deserves you, but some day soon you will be forced to stop inflicting it on the rest of the planet. And then, of course, you'll claim you never knew. (You come from a long tradition.)

Now stop wasting everyone's time and stop forcing me to repeat myself, because not everyone on this board is either a fascist or an illiterate or both.

I'd be bothered if they actually held a gun to the children's heads, because it would traumatize the children. If they merely showed him the children through a two-way mirror and then whispered in his ear a list of horrible things they would do, then I'd be utterly unbothered, because only he would be traumatized, and fuck him. He's not just a Designated Bad Guy, he's a mass murdering fascist. And yet you're less aghast at him than you are at my indifference to his discomfort. You...are...deranged.

[82_28]

4B, I'm not piling on but why do you only show up in threads about this stuff and basically nothing else? Honestly, I remain 50/50 with you. You've let this ghost ship wondering I think for quite some time.

Edited to add Mac ain't definitely no "deranged". He's one of the most even handed members here.

OK back to topic. Thanks!

[MacCruiskeen]

It's good to know exactly where you stand; Base Guy. Good to have it on the record, right here on this page . (I've saved it, just in case you panic and try to delete it.) . It's instructive to see you make it crystal-clear what a dimwitted disingenuous analphabetic fascist you are.

But that's enough now. Stop wasting everyone's time.

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Back on-topic. What do y'all think? Should the Feds threaten grievous injury to her child, or just waterboard her? Or both?

Or should they try other methods?







Maybe stretch her on the rack?

(Sometimes it takes creative thinking to extract a confession. They don't grow on trees, you know.)

[Karmamatterz]

You know this how, exactly? Clairvoyance? Remote viewing? Telepathy? Divine guidance? Tea-leaf analysis? Unnamable "sources"?

I think we should be told.

Well Mac, like everybody else on this board I get my info about this particular news event from ....the news media! Shocking isn't it? Before you get too uppity and full of yourself maybe you ought to realize that very little if any info ever posted by members here is from their own eyewitness accounts at these type of events. Are you and all the other members also using telepathy to know all the "facts" about which you appear to be so self-righteous?

Frankly from your perspective NOTHING is reliable or true. We should all dismiss every bit of info gathered and shared from the media.

Please name anybody on this board posting one thing that can be verified because they were actually on the scene, or in the nightclub. Not friends of friends or friends on FB, but actually were THERE. The day after the event I spoke with business associates from Orlando, one of whom had a friend hospitalized from being shot in the nightclub. It was an interesting story but hearsay and third-party etc...not reliable enough to meet your standards. No, I was not there. Neither were any other members of RI. An inference based on reading all their posts.

Then for consistency go ahead and share your almighty insight into all the thousands of posts by RI members over the years that were written from their actual eye witness accounts on every sundry of events, conspiracy etc.....

[FourthBase]

It's good to know exactly where you stand; Base Guy. Good to have it on the record, right here on this page . (I've saved it, just in case you panic and try to delete it.) . It's instructive to see you make it crystal-clear what a dimwitted disingenuous analphabetic fascist you are.

But that's enough now. Stop wasting everyone's time.

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Back on-topic. What do y'all think? Should the Feds threaten grievous injury to her child, or just waterboard her? Or both?

Or should they try other methods?







Maybe stretch her on the rack?

What the fuck does any of that have to do with the two specific instances above? You just abruptly introduced irrelevant shit. I have zero desire to delete anything. Nothing I said should be controversial. What you think you captured on the record, is nothing but common sense. You're fucking deranged.

[MacCruiskeen]

You completely missed the point, Karmamatterz. But completely.

The point is that you (not I) claimed to know something you in fact do not know, and which there is increasing reason to doubt. And it's not something trivial you' claimed to know. You claimed to know, namely, the culpability -- for a massacre -- of a man who is freshly and conveniently dead, and who has had no trial but a Trial by Corporate Media. And then, in passing, you pissed on his corpse (metaphorically, of course.)

Here:

Karmamatterz » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:19 pm wrote:

Regardless if there was friendly fire, it was the asshole Mateen that started it.

(Let's not make a meal of this. The point is surely obvious now.)

[82_28]

Mac is asking the right questions and preserving his Karma.

[FourthBase]

4B, I'm not piling on but why do you only show up in threads about this stuff and basically nothing else? Honestly, I remain 50/50 with you. You've let this ghost ship wondering I think for quite some time.

Edited to add Mac ain't definitely no "deranged". He's one of the most even handed members here.

OK back to topic. Thanks!

What are you talking about? Be specific.

Mac is disconnected from reality. Just because one rejects the mainstream "reality" which is itself disconnected, doesn't mean you're not still disconnected just in another way. He doggedly asks some good questions. Deranged people sometimes do. Problem is, his priors are completely fucked. 100% of the time, Mac thinks his reflexive doubts and assumptions are reality, and that figure is unlowerable, i.e., not subject to revision, not open to contrary speculation. Only his brand of skepticism is valid. That's how cults operate, right? Again, sometimes his infinite skepticism is useful, because an infinitely skeptical clock will be right twice a day, more than twice in a parapolitically distorted world. But then there are all the other times. When the clock is fucking wrong. But no less shrill and pompous.