Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby KUAN » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:10 am

Rigorous here, intuitive over on the Brexit thread

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Postby semper occultus » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:07 pm
....a lone nut shouting "Britain First" has just brutally murdered a female MP in the street - a photogenic young mother of 2 kids who was in the Remain campaign - leading to suspension of the Referendum campaign after a week in which the Remain campaign was getting absolutely hammered....

..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304


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No thread on the recent tragedy so I post here. Please, remove if unwanted:

Sometimes history repeat itself (and not always as a farce). I just read about the horrific killing of the young Labour MP , Jo Cox. It is eerily reminiscent of our Euro campaign.
Three days before we were going to vote for or against Sweden joining the Euro in 2003, our foreign minister, another young woman, Anna Lindh, was stabbed to death. The campaigns were suspended and we were treated to days of propaganda - how much Ms Lindh had wanted us to join the Euro, how much we owed her, etc. All really disgusting. The polls that had shown a NO victory since early March (this was in September) suddenly in some cases showed an even race. However, on the election day people still did not vote in the way our politicians wanted, and we kept or Swedish krona.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby RocketMan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:20 am

Wow, I did not remember that about the confluence of the Lindh murder and the euro referendum.

It's a difficult two-step, trying to be respectful and broadly rational, but keeping one's antennae up. The timing is suspect. Also, I keep thinking about the fact that the Brexit voters seem to be gaining/winning in the polls, leading me to wonder about why some desperate xenophobe would launch an attack right now. Then again, it's probably not very useful to speculate on the motives and mental state of an unstable loner living with their mom. Then again, an unstable loner living with their mom...

It appears that Mrs. Cox was also a friend of Palestine.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:52 am

RocketMan » 17 Jun 2016 00:20 wrote:Wow, I did not remember that about the confluence of the Lindh murder and the euro referendum.

It's a difficult two-step, trying to be respectful and broadly rational, but keeping one's antennae up. The timing is suspect. Also, I keep thinking about the fact that the Brexit voters seem to be gaining/winning in the polls, leading me to wonder about why some desperate xenophobe would launch an attack right now. Then again, it's probably not very useful to speculate on the motives and mental state of an unstable loner living with their mom. Then again, an unstable loner living with their mom...

It appears that Mrs. Cox was also a friend of Palestine.


It makes no sense. Worst possible timing for pro-leave to be sullied by a "Britainhu Firstbar!" right wing terrorist murdering a lovely young female MP. Best possible pro-remain publicity imaginable. Huge win for Remain. (I don't care how morbid it is to assess it that way. Cui bono, first. Tact, second.) Therefore, the guy would have to be crazy. Maybe he is. Crazy people often do mind-blowingly counterproductive things. Uncrazy people, too. The Lindh murder precedent is interesting, though.

Anyway, it has to be a staged psy op. Guns are banned there, so he couldn't possibly have had one. If it had happened here, I'd say it was unfortunate for anti-gun forces that he decided to also bring a knife, since that would've undercut any notion that without a gun she'd be alive. On the other hand, the knife would've been very fortunate for the American equivalent of the pro-EU side because then there's no gun issue competing for the focus, and everyone gets to channel all their attention to the terrorist's reactionary ideology. Hmmm. Funny, that.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:54 am

82_28 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:08 pm wrote:Just as an addendum to exonerate myself, I thought it was Canada only because Canada and Britain spell Labour the same way. I wasn't being flippant I was just being slightly sardonic about all this madness. It's like when something bad or unfortunate happens one says "sweet just fucking awesome". It comes through with the tone of voice. Not so well in text on the Internet. But that's why I named the OP as I did.


Grow the fuck up.

It was a stupid/insensitive thread title.

These events are not merely a form of message board entertainment (indeed, it's no coincidence you started the last 2 -- or more -- latest "event" threads)‎.

Actual lives are lost/changed forever while you surf the fucking web from the comfort of your home, and do nothing other than type words on a screen about it.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:09 am

Unless you have some way 82_28 might respond the murder of Jo Cox than type words on a screen about it, which of necessity covers pretty much 99.9% of all responses to it or most events, please calm down. And I thought the title was stupid/insensitive too, but leagues away from a serious wrong and not ill-intentioned at all. You would know well about real outrages sometimes committed with words on this board (such as the ones I criticized above, if however in an insensitive and immature way). And 82 changed the title in response to complaints, so... Horrible events are not caused by message board entertainment but they do generate it, also unavoidable insofar as discussion even about horrors is stimulating, one hopes insightful, etc.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:50 am

Who would actually believe this attack was premeditated by groups seeking to ensure Remain loses by killing one of their "standard bearers"?
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:54 am

Belligerent Savant » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:54 pm wrote:
82_28 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:08 pm wrote:Just as an addendum to exonerate myself, I thought it was Canada only because Canada and Britain spell Labour the same way. I wasn't being flippant I was just being slightly sardonic about all this madness. It's like when something bad or unfortunate happens one says "sweet just fucking awesome". It comes through with the tone of voice. Not so well in text on the Internet. But that's why I named the OP as I did.


Grow the fuck up.

It was a stupid/insensitive thread title.

These events are not merely a form of message board entertainment (indeed, it's no coincidence you started the last 2 -- or more -- latest "event" threads)‎.

Actual lives are lost/changed forever while you surf the fucking web from the comfort of your home, and do nothing other than type words on a screen about it.


Jeff posted a link to it on FB and I immediately assumed it was Canadian news. I am grown up and fucked up the title that's it that's all. I just envisioned it happening close to the US border. I didn't mean to do it. It was my mistake and it was Wombaticus Rex who renamed the thread. I absolutely was not being insensitive or flippant. If one wagered a bet with just about anyone here that they could find any one thread or comment in which I was insensitive or unconcerned with something hateful, violent I don't think you'd find a one. About the "2 or more latest event threads" I start. It's because I am up at night and see breaking news when most people are asleep. I really don't see why you have to take that tone with me. I wouldn't do it it to you. I simply shared a link because it hadn't been brought up here yet. It feels like you are insinuating I have some stupid agenda or something. Don't worry you're wrong. No agenda other than I hate this shit -- anything like it.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:02 am

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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby RocketMan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:11 am

Well, now...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 86426.html

Jo Cox dead: Suspect linked to hard-right group that has campaigned against the EU

The man arrested over the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox is believed to have had long-term links with a hard-right group based in London which had been campaigning for many years for Britain to leave the European Union.

Thomas Mair was named as a supporter in an online publication of the Springbok Club, an organisation which has defended the white supremacist apartheid regime in South Africa.


On a related note, "hard right" is apparently less severe than "extreme left".
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby FourthBase » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:31 am

Yeah, that guy seems to be a crazy fucking racist. He very well may be so deluded that he actually thought shooting Cox would accomplish not-the-opposite-of-his-goal. Perhaps consumed with blinding, stupid, racist anger. Those people do exist in the world. Some of them really are, as a constant state of being, just one bad week or month or year away from seriously considering vengeful villain-hunting, the kind they only ever daydream about just like even "normal" people occasionally do. What I wonder is if the art and science of thought control has advanced to the point where brainwashing assassins is dated, needless overkill. I wonder if there are psychologists in the deep state who know just how to nudge a commonplace enraged crazy fuck just over the line and/or in the general but inevitable direction of a particular target, but without leaving a trace of documentation, or just traces, or at worst a few browraising coincidences that can be swiftly and deftly rationalized away into obscurity. This would be part of how the stochastic paradigm would work, right? The last week reeks of it, to me.
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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby SonicG » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:39 am

I think the Brits use Hard for both Right and Left.

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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby semper occultus » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:17 am

....much like Mr Mateen's gayness then this fuck-up appears to have kept one aspect of his life very much under wraps if we are to believe the paper trail - wonder where they got that from so quick

My brother is not violent and is not all that political. I don’t even know who he votes for.

"I don't think he belonged to any political party and I never heard him express any views about Europe or anything like that


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/jo-cox-mp-everything-we-know-so-far-about-thomas-mair/

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...it also appears he was using some improvised scratch-built fire-arm ...US folks prepare for the NRA to be getting their piece of the action on this event to prove gun bans won't work...

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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby Harvey » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:22 am

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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby American Dream » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:56 am

Jo Cox: The Latest Victim of Europe's Far Right


When the murder of Labor MP Jo Cox was revealed in the media on Thursday, various non-profit organizations that used to work closely with her and the refugees for whom she advocated immediately expressed their sorrow and praised her commitment to human dignity in Britain and abroad.

Cox, 41, worked for many years with Oxfam, the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, the Freedom Fund and others on humanitarian issues, including those related to the conflicts in Darfur and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

But she was especially known and praised for defending the peaceful and cheerful cohabitation of the various communities that formed her constituency in Batley and Spen and in the UK.

“Our communities have been deeply enhanced by immigration, be it Irish Catholics across the constituency or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or Pakistan, principally from Kashmir,” she said during her maiden speech in parliament last year. “And whilst we celebrate our diversity, the things that surprise me time and time again as I travel around the constituency is that we are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us.”

As a vocal anti-racism and pro-refugee activist, Cox also received a tribute from SOAS Palestine Society, which issued a statement saying: "Jo Cox campaigned tirelessly for bringing humanity back to a broken system. Whether it was with advocating for the rights of refugees in Europe or for the displaced and besieged in both Palestine and Syria, she never gave up."

As chairwoman of the All Party Parliamentary Friends of Syria, she was a vocal critic of the Syrian government but also refused to support airstrikes in Syria.

In contrast to Cox's long record of advocacy, her suspected murder, Thomas Mair, is allegedly linked to the neo-Nazi group National Alliance.

At least one eyewitness claims that Cox's assailant also shouted "put Britain First," referring to an anti-Islamic far-right group,



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Re: Murder of UK MP Jo Cox

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:37 am

http://www.batleynews.co.uk/mobile/news/local/tommy-mair-what-do-we-know-about-the-man-held-for-jo-cox-s-murder-1-7969021

Mair volunteered at Oakwell Hall country park in Birstall in 2010 after being a patient of the Mirfield-based Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental illness, according to local reports at the time.

He was quoted as saying: “I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world.

“Many people who suffer from mental illness are socially isolated and disconnected from society, feelings of worthlessness are also common, mainly caused by long-term unemployment.”

Read more: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/m ... z4Bq4fzHsY


Sorry for sounding like a broken record around this -

I was left wondering if this is not just another guy who has had anti-psychotic medication type and / or dosage change in the last few weeks?

Also a request - Rory and JR - can we avoid the practice of personally linking members one does not personally care for, to events like these? Play the ball, not the man etc
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