Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[stickdog99]

ORLANDO — After an initial burst of fire between Omar Mateen and a security guard at the Pulse nightclub, a group of five to six police officers arrived on the scene within minutes, broke through a large glass window and entered the club as the killing of 49 people was underway inside, according to a Belle Isle police officer who was among the first responders.

In the first public accounting of those critical early minutes by an officer who actually went inside the club, Belle Isle police officer Brandon Cornwell, 25, said the ad-hoc team spent the first seconds inside “trying to locate exactly where the shooter was — we kept hearing people scream and shots fired.”

Cornwell said they never saw Mateen; he said the shooter had vanished inside the dimly lit club as Cornwell and the other officers followed the sounds of screams and echoing gunfire to the bathroom area where they presumed the gunman was now holed up. He said they aimed their assault rifles toward that area as the sounds of gunfire stopped. He said that they then followed orders to hold their position for what he described as “15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer” until the SWAT team arrived.

What is not entirely clear from Cornwell’s statements is whether the officers spent that entire period inside the club, guns aimed at the bathroom area, or whether they withdrew at some point to the outside of the club before SWAT arrived, leaving Mateen time to move freely about the club and possibly start shooting again. Cornwell declined to clarify this point among others, citing the ongoing investigation and instructions not to talk about such details.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police ... id=UP97DHP

So we know that 5-6 cops, including at least 2 SWAT members, were inside the nightclub, but they were unable to locate a perp who was at the time actively shooting screaming people in the same nightclub?

Thanks for additional questions without any answers. That clears everything up,

[Elihu]

Also, you have to have very little empathy for the people who were the actual victims to be posting such rubbish.

that is one tired association, yet it stumbles on zombie-like. especially since we are talking about the authorities and whether or not there is an on-going attempt to deceive, not the humanity!!! gaaa. you anti-fascists might want to take that into consideration, distasteful or no, if you care about integrity, which fascists don't of course.

[MacCruiskeen]

This entire yarn plumbs new depths of preposterousness. Only a three-year-old could swallow it, or even pretend to. On the other thread, I asked: "Why such fear?" Are most Americans really so terrified to speak out, even against such utterly blatant bullshit as this? Even in Orlando itself?

People in and near that city need to get out and unite and hold mass demonstrations before the Orlando Police HQ, and soon. With big placards saying: "RELEASE THE EVIDENCE" and "WE DEMAND TO HEAR THOSE RECORDINGS" and "WHY ARE YOU LYING TO US?" and "STOP BULLSHITTING US", and "50 DEAD & STILL NO ANSWERS" and just asking the most obvious fucking questions before public demonstrations are banned outright.

But they need to start doing it immediately. And a few brave souls will need to start it up themselves, in small numbers in the first day or two. I wonder how big a gathering of people asking obvious and vitally important questions can stil be dismissed as "conspiracy nuts".

[Burnt Hill]

ORLANDO — After an initial burst of fire between Omar Mateen and a security guard at the Pulse nightclub, a group of five to six police officers arrived on the scene within minutes, broke through a large glass window and entered the club as the killing of 49 people was underway inside, according to a Belle Isle police officer who was among the first responders.

In the first public accounting of those critical early minutes by an officer who actually went inside the club, Belle Isle police officer Brandon Cornwell, 25, said the ad-hoc team spent the first seconds inside “trying to locate exactly where the shooter was — we kept hearing people scream and shots fired.”

Cornwell said they never saw Mateen; he said the shooter had vanished inside the dimly lit club as Cornwell and the other officers followed the sounds of screams and echoing gunfire to the bathroom area where they presumed the gunman was now holed up. He said they aimed their assault rifles toward that area as the sounds of gunfire stopped. He said that they then followed orders to hold their position for what he described as “15 or 20 minutes — could’ve been longer” until the SWAT team arrived.

What is not entirely clear from Cornwell’s statements is whether the officers spent that entire period inside the club, guns aimed at the bathroom area, or whether they withdrew at some point to the outside of the club before SWAT arrived, leaving Mateen time to move freely about the club and possibly start shooting again. Cornwell declined to clarify this point among others, citing the ongoing investigation and instructions not to talk about such details.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police ... id=UP97DHP

So we know that 5-6 cops, including at least 2 SWAT members, were inside the nightclub, but they were unable to locate a perp who was at the time actively shooting screaming people in the same nightclub?

Thanks for additional questions without any answers. That clears everything up,

Nah, they knew they had him pinned down in the one bathroom. That msn report is pretty poor, there is a much more complete interview with Cornwall that makes way more sense, sorry can't remember where I read it- shouldn't be hard to find.

[Grizzly]

Lost you say!? ...lmao! What a circus.

Loretta Lynch Admits That Federal Authorities Have Lost The Orlando Shooter's Wife
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... oters-wife

And perhaps most disturbing of all, according to Breaking911 citing CNN, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch says that she doesn't know if Salman has left the state or not.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

People in and near that city need to get out and unite and hold mass demonstrations before the Orlando Police HQ, and soon. With big placards saying: "RELEASE THE EVIDENCE" and "WE DEMAND TO HEAR THOSE RECORDINGS" and "WHY ARE YOU LYING TO US?" and "STOP BULLSHITTING US", and "50 DEAD & STILL NO ANSWERS" and just asking the most obvious fucking questions before public demonstrations are banned outright

Yeah, they should. Instead, let's just get matching tattoos commemorating the event and our brave police force!

http://www.advocate.com/pride/2016/6/19 ... ng-tattoos

[MacCruiskeen]

Is it true there are a total of 28 MINUTES of recorded conversation between the [still-unidentified] shooter and the police??

The public needs to hear those calls, and very soon (before the tapes can be manipulated). There is Omar Mateen's voice in that other film for comparison, and in any case lots of people knew his voice irl. First and foremost his wife, of course, who heard him speak every day. Luckily she's still alive and well and capable of confirming or refuting that it is in fact her husband's voi - oh wait a minute.

by Grizzly » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:39 am
Lost you say!? ...lmao! What a circus.

Loretta Lynch Admits That Federal Authorities Have Lost The Orlando Shooter's Wife
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... oters-wife

And perhaps most disturbing of all, according to Breaking911 citing CNN, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch says that she doesn't know if Salman has left the state or not

What a lie. It is breathtaking.

Preposterousness Unbound.

[Novem5er]

I seriously doubt that the FBI doesn't know where Noor Salman is. The ZeroHedge article may correctly report that the Attorney General does not personally know where she is, but that doesn't mean anything. The AG is also part-politician and it's very reasonable that she would deny first-hand knowledge of something to A) deny culpability, B) throw reporters off the trail of a witness/suspect. She never said that her department has no idea where Salman is, just that she wasn't aware specifically herself.

Remember that she's a lawyer and will be very specific with her language.

[MacCruiskeen]

On the first demo in Orlando -- today? tomorrow? -- that first handful of brave protestors should carry an effigy of Anderson Fucking Cooper and then burn it.

But only if the original is unavailable, He is in any case indistinguishable from an effigy of himself.

[MacCruiskeen]

I seriously doubt that the FBI doesn't know where Noor Salman is. The ZeroHedge article may correctly report that the Attorney General does not personally know where she is, but that doesn't mean anything. The AG is also part-politician and it's very reasonable that she would deny first-hand knowledge of something to A) deny culpability, B) throw reporters off the trail of a witness/suspect. She never said that her department has no idea where Salman is, just that she wasn't aware specifically herself.

You are far, far too charitable to the US Attorney General, Novem5er. Her statement is not just doubtful, it is a blatant lie, a right whopper.

Remember that she's a lawyer and will be very specific with her language

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Remember that Loretta "Pinocchio" Lynch is not just any old lawyer, but the top lawyer in the United States of Post-Legal America and a willing mouthpiece for The Feds, the spooks, and the nation's Leaders, at this very difficult and emotionally challenging time for all Americans.

[Novem5er]

Agreed. I only meant that her words don't imply that the Feds lost Salman, only that Lynch is denying personal knowledge of her whereabouts. The feds know exactly where she is, I'm 99% sure on that. I'm leaving 1% for uncertainty Politicians and their elected stooges always leave themselves wiggle-room, for purposes that are probably Byzantium for us laypeople.

[Luther Blissett]

Doesn't appear as though the conspiracy theory that this was done as "retaliation" for Mateen having contracted AIDS from two Latino men during a threesome, as claimed by a former lover, has made it here yet. So at least there's that.

[brekin]

Doesn't appear as though the conspiracy theory that this was done as "retaliation" for Mateen having contracted AIDS from two Latino men during a threesome, as claimed by a former lover, has made it here yet. So at least there's that.

Is that an actual theory or are you joshing? Because damn, that would be quite the spoiler theory.

[MacCruiskeen]

Luther, we've just seen an obvious frame-up of yet another dead Muslim American killed by cops after a massacre of fifty (in figures: 50, for fuck's sake) mainly latino and black and LGBT people in Orlando (in fucking Florida).

Lie upon lie upon blatant demonstrable shameless lie from the Orlando cops and the FBI. From the Attorney General Loretta Lynch ("an inspiration to young people of color and young women everywhere") we've just heard a truly jawdropping lie about a missing Muslim woman (and child?), from Mister Hopey-Changey himself we have heard (as ever) only the most nauseating and sanctimonious defences of those lies and of the status quo. And America has now had eight years of that grinning fake.

(All this in the month when Sanders' millions of supporters were blatantly defrauded by the Clinton dynasty.)

It is just outrageous. Are "left activists" in the US ever going to organise demos and protest publicly?

Seriously: Are Left Activists going to make even the tiniest effort to actually organise a protest in Orlando or anywhere else?

Very Confident Prediction: No, of course not, because "left activists" are too completely and wilfully clueless and/or too abjectly terrified.of being called "conspiracy theorists (ffs) to even consider risking it. The possibility of organising a protest in Orlando will not be raised by even one single individuual on "The Left", and in the deeply unlikely event that anyone even tries (and persists), then that brave person will be shouted down very angrily indeed

If I'm even slightly wrong about any part of this prediction I will apologise immediately.

The suspense is bearable.

[Burnt Hill]

Doesn't appear as though the conspiracy theory that this was done as "retaliation" for Mateen having contracted AIDS from two Latino men during a threesome, as claimed by a former lover, has made it here yet. So at least there's that.

Is that an actual theory or are you joshing? Because damn, that would be quite the spoiler theory.

Its at least as real as "Miguel" is.

http://www.univision.com/univision-news/united-states/man-who-claims-he-had-sexual-relations-with-orlando-gunman-tells-univision-it-was-revenge-not-terrorism