Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[MacCruiskeen]

Reuters is Spook Central.

The acquaintance requested anonymity, saying authorities had asked him to keep quiet.

Aha. So "the acquaintance" has spoken to "authorities". (Which ones?) Asked or told to keep quiet? And isn't he (it is a he) even slightly worried about disobeying those Authorities?

the acquaintance is a resident at the PGA Village in Port St. Lucie, Florida, where Mateen worked as a gate security guard

That's some great 'anonymity' there, mister.

The FBI would not comment on the acquaintance’s remarks, but several senior U.S. sources told Reuters the investigation was moving more toward the belief that Mateen's motives were personal rather than political.

Aha. So first we were told Omar Mateen was a fanatical Islamist, then we were told maybe he wasn't, then we were told he was a homophobe, then it turned out he was a regular at Pulse, so then we were told he was a gay self-hating homophobe, now it turns out that those scripts aren't plausible either, so now he's being transformed into a psychotic.

Stay tuned.

IT'S ALL COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS ANYWAY. There is no reason to believe a word of it.

And what is this shit:

In the early morning, about 18 hours before the June 12 attack, the acquaintance said he drove up to the gate but Mateen was not there to open it as usual.

In a couple of minutes, he appeared, silent and with a completely transformed look - a shaved head and face, without his usual short whiskers and glasses.

"Completely transforrmed." Aha. How suspicious. Shaven head and face, whoah, musta been scary. You mean like this?



Or like this?



Or like this?



Or like this?



His wife Noor will be surprised to hear of this recent sudden astonishing transformation. in her husband's looks.

Where is she?

[JackRiddler]

According to press, 50 people alive in mass shooting at German movie theater by guy with air rifle and no live-fire weapon. Injuries apparently due to tear gas. Shooter dead.

[MacCruiskeen]

When does the movie come out?

The Acquaintance: This Time He's Anonymous

The thrilling story of a condominium security guard who gets a wee bit grumpy when he is wakened up and pestered late at night by yet another Fed.

[MacCruiskeen]

Where is his wife?

[brekin]

Woah, the alluded to spoiler theory, here it is.

http://www.univision.com/univision-news ... mans-lover

Orlando massacre was "revenge," not terrorism, says man who claims he was gunman's lover

Mateen was "very sweet" and liked to be "cuddled," the man told Univision. But he was upset about the way gay men responded to him.

Omar Mateen, the Muslim gunman who committed the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando, was "100 percent" gay and bore a grudge against Latino men because he felt used by them, according to a man who says he was his lover for two months.

“I’ve cried like you have no idea. But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism. In my opinion he did it for revenge,” he told Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas in an exclusive interview in English and Spanish on Tuesday.

He said Mateen was angry and upset after a man he had sex with later revealed he was infected with the HIV virus.

Asked why he decided to come forward with his story, he said: “It’s my responsibility as a citizen of the United States and a gay man.”

The man said he had approached by the FBI and been interviewed three times in person by agents.

Univision was unable to independently verify his account. The FBI confirmed to Univision that it had met with him.

This unidentified man told Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas that he had a sexual relationship with Omar Mateen for two months Univision

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, agreed to an interview wearing a disguise and calling himself Miguel. Speaking in fluent Spanish and accented English, he said he met Mateen last year through a gay dating site and began a relationship soon after. He and Mateen were "friends with benefits," he said.

He described Mateen as “a very sweet guy" who never showed a violent side. He loved to be cuddled. "He was looking for love," he said.
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Transcript of interview with man who claims to be former lover of Orlando gunman
This is a full transcript of the exclusive interview by Univision's Maria Elena Salinas with the man who claims he was the lover of Omar Mateen, author of the June 12 attack on Pulse, a gay Orlando night club

When Miguel heard about the massacre on the news he said he was stunned. “My reaction was that can’t be the man I know. It’s impossible that the man I know could do that,” he said.

Mateen opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle uring a Latin-themed night at Pulse in the early hours of June 12, killing 49 people and wounding dozens more. He was killed in a shootout with police hours later. Most of ther dead were Hispanic.

Investigators are still looking into the motives for his rampage. Attorney General Loretta Lynch told reportesr on Tuesday that investigaotes may never be able to pinpoint a single motive and have not ruled out witness reports suggesting Mateen may have had gay interests.

In a 911 call from the club Mateen pledged solidarity with the Islamic State group, and officials sday he had explored websites of armed Islamic extremists.

Miguel recalled on one occasion Mateen expressed criticism of the U.S. war on terrorism and the killing of innocent women and children. "I told him ' you're totally right,'" said Miguel.

Mateen never revealed his name to him, saying only that he was 35 years old and married with a son, Miguel told Univision. He said they met 15-20 times, the last occasion in late December. He said he believed Mateen's second wife knew he frequented gay bars and that his marriage was a smoke screen to hide that he was "100 percent" gay.

“He adored Latinos, gay Latinos, with brown skin – but he felt rejected. He felt used by them – there were moments in the Pulse nightclub that made him feel really bad. Guys used him. That really affected him,” Miguel said. "I believe this crazy horrible thing he did – that was revenge."

Mateen expressed frustration over his father's extreme views on homosexuality, which included a belief that "gay people [are] the devil and gay people have to die," Miguel said.

Mateen was especially upset after a sexual encounter with two Puerto Rican men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, he added.

"He [Omar] was terrified that he was infected," he said. "I asked him, 'Did you do a test?' Yes. He went to the pharmacy and did the test … it came out negative but it doesn't come out right away. It takes 4, 5 months."

"When I asked him what he was going to do now, his answer was 'I'm going to make them pay for what they did to me.'"

Information from the Associated Press was used in this article.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Be sure to watch the actual interview.



is that his real face?? voice, even?

[MacCruiskeen]

This is a gigantic social experiment. They want to see how easy it is to make everyone distrust and fear their neighbours. How easy it is to make everyone believe that anyone can turn into a mass-murdering maniac at the drop of a hat and for no plausible reason whatsoever.

How easy it is to "convict" a dead man or woman on absolutely no evidence at all, and how little protest or even questioning that "conviction" will provoke in the populace.

How easy it is to persuade people to lynch a corpse.

They must be very pleased with themselves.

[MacCruiskeen]

Be sure to watch the actual interview.



is that his real face?? voice, even?

That face looks even faker than Anderson Cooper's. Is it made out of plasticine? Is he wearing a wig?


It's amazing what 3-D printers can achieve these days.

[brekin]

Be sure to watch the actual interview.



is that his real face?? voice, even?

No, they said he agreed to do the interview only in disguise.

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, agreed to an interview wearing a disguise and calling himself Miguel.

Agreed, though, that Anderson Cooper was probably 3-D printed, or shatted out.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Ah, glad to know my instincts aren't totally off base.

I found it slightly interesting how she asks "were you in a relationship with Mateen?" and he responds in the present tense, "yes I am." And answers the next couple of past-tense questions also in the present tense. Perhaps a language thing.

[MacCruiskeen]

You were right, Agent Orange. You wonder why he looks like a burns victim treated by an incompetent plastic surgeon?

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, agreed to an interview wearing a disguise and calling himself Miguel

Anonymous, yet again, but of course. And this time "wearing a disguise"



(Haven't heard the interview. Have they altered his voice too? Presumably.)

They are taking the fucking piss. What next, actual clown costumes?

[brekin]

You were right, Agent Orange. You wonder why he looks like a burns victim treated by an incompetent plastic surgeon?

The man, who did not want his true identity revealed, agreed to an interview wearing a disguise and calling himself Miguel

Anonymous, yet again, but of course. And this time "wearing a disguise"

(Haven't heard the interview. Have they altered his voice too? Presumably.)
They are taking the fucking piss. What next, actual clown costumes?

Mac, just curious, do you think Mateen was actually gay or not?

[MacCruiskeen]

I have no idea. Maybe he was bi. In any case, not everyone who frequented Pulse was gay, not by any means. Maybe he flirted a bit. I do know he was married to a woman for what, the last five years, and that he was apparently happily married to that woman, and that they had a son together who also looks happy, and that that woman, his wife Noor Saleem Mateen, last seen in the hands of the FBI, has now apparently vanished without trace.

Where is she?

That is a much more pressing and important question than any speculation, however titillating, about his sexual proclivities.

Days back, I predicted they might well murder Noor Saleem Mateen, because by god they have previous form. If they do, here's another prediction: They will either make it look like suicide or they will pretend she went on the rampage and had to be shot. It worked in San Bernardino, why shouldn't it work with her? People will believe anything their Authorities tell them. Because they are too terrified not to.

[brekin]

I have no idea. Maybe he was bi. In any case, not everyone who frequented Pulse was gay, not by any means. Maybe he flirted a bit. I do know he was married to a woman for what, the last five years, and that he was apparently happily married to that woman, and that they had a son together who also looks happy, and that [b]that woman, his wife Noor Saleem Mateen, last seen in the hands of the FBI, has now apparently vanished without trace.

Don't you think it is pretty telling that someone who on the one hand was virulently homophobic on one hand was frequenting gay bars and living basically a gay lifestyle?

[MacCruiskeen]

Don't you think it is pretty telling that someone who on the one hand was virulently homophobic on one hand was frequenting gay bars and living basically a gay lifestyle?

Who says he was virulently homophobic? Who, exactly?

What is "basically a gay lifestyle" supposed to mean anyway? You mean working for over nine years as a security guard with the same company while raising a small son with his wife and taking them on frequent trips to Disneyland?

And there is absolutely nothing suspicious, Miss Thing, about a straight man visiting a gay bar. I've been in many myself, including some fabulous ones.

Some people lead amazingly sheltered lives.