stefano » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:02 pm wrote:Here I'm at odds with you, and probably a few others on here. A lot of terror attacks in the West are completely manufactured, but I reckon most in Arab countries are not, and a few in Western countries aren't, either. I think the whole picture is less tidy than of intelligence agencies having assets whose every action they control, and whom they then send out to do something. This Orlando business looks like an example of a messier thing, where the CIA (through his weird dad, and Wackenhut) and the FBI were involved in Mateen's life, and pushing him to do something, but then finally he became a murderer mostly on his own, and chose a target I think the spooks wouldn't have, if they'd had closer control over the thing.
Islamic fundamentalism actually does exist, and
has done since well before the US existed. Lots of people literally and firmly believe that the more genocidal verses in the Koran are the revealed and inerrant word of God. I've met some of them. But actually the real problem is the large number of young men in Arab countries and Arab populations in Western countries that have unhappy childhoods of a specific type: absent fathers, run-ins with the cops, a lack of job opportunities, something about their family that makes them feel unlike everyone else. When they get in touch with this absolutist, Year Zero kind of Islam (typically through the intermediation of a kind, older dude who plays a role that was missing for them) they tend to become very enthusiastic followers. In a lot of cases jihadist networks with links to Western intelligence agencies take the next step, but, I believe, in quite a few cases the guys make a plan themselves, to try and murder as many people as possible.
I'm talking about "the war on terror". That's why it's in quotes. But thanks for misunderstanding me rather than putting words in my mouth. Seriously.
The "war on terror" was manufactured by the Bush administration and is an American creation. It's total bullshit. If there was an actual "war on terror" we would be getting hit constantly. We would all be trying to "win" this thing.
I'm not going to go into examples of what would be happening because I don't want to go on record, in the Internet, of things that could be so easily done, especially specific to where I live.
Even in Iraq. Look up how many suicide bombings there were prior to the US invasion and how many since. I'll give you a hint. There were none prior to the invasion.
The "war on terror" is, literally a war OF terror.
911 was a terror attack that created it. Who created 911?
Pretty damn clear.
Terrorism has always existed. There's that old definition of terrorism simply being warfare for poor people.
Why do I have to explain this at RI?
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
