The “Alternative Right"

[slimmouse]

I don't claim to fully understand the mindset of any and/or all far right racist/fascist types but I suspect the explanation should include Affect Theory, including the appeal of having folks to look down on and hate, reasons to be violent and mean, a sense of in-group and out-group, cults of masculinity (often with sublimated homoeroticism), the security of totalizing scripts that explain the world, the need for "meaning" and/or belonging, a desire to be transgressive or have a unique identity and lots and lots of childhood trauma and abuse, as componded by poor critical thinking skills and vulnerability to cults, et cetera et cetera .

How about the far leftist types who insist that we somehow can become clones of each other working for a common purpose, which to my personal understanding involves stifling creativity of any type, by any means necessary?

[slimmouse]

What I basically mean is who has the right to tell me what to think?

[coffin_dodger]

AD said:

I don't claim to fully understand the mindset of any and/or all far right racist/fascist types but I suspect the explanation should include Affect Theory, including the appeal of having folks to look down on and hate, reasons to be violent and mean, a sense of in-group and out-group, cults of masculinity (often with sublimated homoeroticism), the security of totalizing scripts that explain the world, the need for "meaning" and/or belonging, a desire to be transgressive or have a unique identity and lots and lots of childhood trauma and abuse, as componded by poor critical thinking skills and vulnerability to cults, et cetera et cetera .

Equally, this seems appropriate -

I don't claim to fully understand the mindset of any and/or all anti-fascist types but I suspect the explanation should include Affect Theory, including the appeal of having folks to look down on and hate, reasons to be violent and mean, a sense of in-group and out-group, cults of masculinity (often with sublimated homoeroticism), the security of totalizing scripts that explain the world, the need for "meaning" and/or belonging, a desire to be transgressive or have a unique identity and lots and lots of childhood trauma and abuse, as componded by poor critical thinking skills and vulnerability to cults, et cetera et cetera .

[backtoiam]

slimmouse said:

How about the far leftist types who insist that we somehow can become clones of each other working for a common purpose, which to my personal understanding involves stifling creativity of any type, by any means necessary?

Book suggestion. Author Rudolph Steiner. Book title is: "Bees"

Amazon books and it can be had cheap.

[American Dream]

Some of all that likely is true for the heavy-duty "manarchists" who may come mostly for street fighting and whatnot.

Reactionaries of various kinds, but especially (post) Third Position types love to frame things in terms of "truth seekers", "freedom of thought" and other noble-sounding things but I think there are very good reasons to oppose the racist/fascist far right.

[coffin_dodger]

Some of all that likely is true for the heavy-duty "manarchists" who may come mostly for street fighting and whatnot.

Reactionaries of various kinds, but especially (post) Third Position types love to frame things in terms of "truth seekers", "freedom of thought" and other noble-sounding things but I think there are very good reasons to oppose the racist/fascist far right.

Well, I'm a fan of the truth and freedom of thought, yet I fear fascists and anti-fascists just the same.
Zealotry in any form makes me uncomfortable.
What does that make me?

You didn't answer my question from the other thread - are you white? - but then, I know how smart you are (you told us just recently on another thread), so I have to suppose the ignoring of this question is related to an uncomfortable answer.

Do you see the dichotemy inherent in your arguments - amongst other things: the abolishing of the white race at any cost - makes you perhaps the single-most racist person on this board? I guess not.

Serious question: what would you like to see happen to white people?

[American Dream]

What are you even asking?

I'm quite sure you have very little idea what I do actually think and I'm not feeling at all inclined to play any games.

[coffin_dodger]

What are you even asking?

I'm quite sure you have very little idea what I do actually think and I'm not feeling inclined to play any games...

I can only divine your state of mind by studying the posts you paste - and the comments you make.

At any hint of having to expose yourself to scrutiny, you claim miscomprehension - to kill the dialogue. This is a pattern you have followed since I first joined this site, so it's a fools errand to expect anything more of you.

Enjoy your fantasies.

[American Dream]

I don't claim to fully understand the mindset of any and/or all far right racist/fascist types but I suspect the explanation should include Affect Theory, including the appeal of having folks to look down on and hate, reasons to be violent and mean, a sense of in-group and out-group, cults of masculinity (often with sublimated homoeroticism), the security of totalizing scripts that explain the world, the need for "meaning" and/or belonging, a desire to be transgressive or have a unique identity and lots and lots of childhood trauma and abuse, as componded by poor critical thinking skills and vulnerability to cults, et cetera et cetera .

How about the far leftist types who insist that we somehow can become clones of each other working for a common purpose, which to my personal understanding involves stifling creativity of any type, by any means necessary?

Yeah, I'm not with that.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I can only divine your state of mind by studying the posts you paste - and the comments you make.

At any hint of having to expose yourself to scrutiny, you claim miscomprehension - to kill the dialogue. This is a pattern you have followed since I first joined this site, so it's a fools errand to expect anything more of you.

Enjoy your fantasies.

More psychologizing. Nah, man, let's not do this. Besides, the George Smiley act is only a good look if you're actually arresting a mole or some such vainglorious shit.

It's pretty common to assume that we're owed an answer for questions we pose, especially on a discussion forum, but on a planet full of adults that is simply not the case.

[coffin_dodger]

VIDEO: Violent clashes at far-right rally leave multiple stabbing 27 Jun 2016

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81a_1466986811

the comments indicate a recent attitude shift

[American Dream]

The movement that’s fueling Donald Trump’s white nationalist supporters


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6l0Qb6Xlaw

[American Dream]

ALERT! White Supremacist National Policy Institute’s Fall D.C. Conference Features Reality Show Star Tila Tequila



And for today’s neo-Nazi/White Supremacist, which calls itself the “alternative right” or “alt-right” that is just red meat to them. The so-called “alt-right” has managed to snare some persons of color, Jews, and LGBT persons to champion the notion that all of them need to be marginalized by White people, which when you consider that the biggest thing that drives National Policy Institute (who’s leader Dick Spencer is who came up with the name Alternative Right as a name for his old blog) is eugenics, or more to the point, Blacks are inferior to Whites, Whites are inferior to Asians and all need to be segregated from each other. So somehow Tequila probably thought she hasn’t put her “career” far enough down the shitter, so she signed on to be the entertainment for this thing.

More at: http://idavox.com/index.php/event/alert ... a-tequila/

[American Dream]

RED ICE CREATIONS AND THE NEW FASCIST MEDIA

We first heard about Red Ice Creations, which includes their radio and video shows, over a year ago when many of the louder voices on the right, like Richard Spencer and Jack Donovan, began getting interviewed on their radio show. At first, it seemed like programming primarily focused on strange conspiracy theories and alternative scientific notions, and perhaps these voices were just a part of their strangeness. As they went on, their founders, Henrik Palmgren and Lana Lokteff, became open about their racial politics, being clear on any show that has a racialist subject or guest that they are there to “defend their race” and demonizing African descended people, immigrants and refugees, and all “leftist” ideas.

The design of their website is purposefully meant to look like places like Infowars, the conspiracy racket from resident nutjob Alex Jones. These places have a generally slick presentation and act as somewhat of a crossover point between the far right and broader conservatives. This connection continues as they repost articles from Infowars and the affiliated Prison Planet regularly. Their news choices fit into an interesting space for the Alt Right as of recently, which is to try and create artificial holes in narratives about the reality of racism. An example is their recently posted article listing 100 “hate crime hoaxes,” which is intending to first undermine the recent history of bigotry related violence and, second, reframe the narrative so that it appears as European-descended people are under attack because they are not “allowed” to organize in their own racial interest. It may seem obvious that they are playing with facts and ignoring very simple bits of analysis to make these connections, yet it is these blind spots that are critical if there are going to create an “analysis” that justifies their white nationalism

Their two primary programs are the podcasts Red Ice Radio hosted by Henrik and Radio 3Fourteen hosted by Lana. Here they focus on guests for interviews, which are quickly becoming the “who’s who” of the broad white nationalist and racist communities. Guests like Richard Spencer, American Renaissance’s Jared Taylor, David Duke, Mike Enoch and Seventh Son from the Daily Shoah, various people from the Manosphere and Men’s Rights community, and just about everyone who remains relevant from this growing Alt Right scene.

Because of their connection to Sweden, they have picked up very heavily on one of the hallmarks of the racialist movement in Scandinavia: Islamophobia. Between hearing from anti-Islamic activists to posting articles about Swedish political parties being “infiltrated by Islamists,” they have used Muslim European immigration as a fault line since they see it as having the same social crossover point in Europe that anti-Latino immigrant racism has in the United States.



Image they used when interviewing the Traditionalist Workers Party leader/founder
Matthew Heimbach

https://antifascistnews.net/2016/07/11/ ... ist-media/

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I find it very strange that Henrik and Lana now actually just live in South Carolina.

What used to be "a beacon of sanity from northern Europe" is sadly now just a regular beacon of WHITE POWER from the American south.