7/7 Dallas Shooting

[Novem5er]

We can't take too much stock in pictures of people looking or pointing upwards. It's possible there were rooftop shooters, but it's also possible that people were confused and scared and photos caught them looking up. Gunfire would have echoed loudly, bouncing off the buildings. This could not only create the impression that there were more shooters than were really there, but also might have created the impression that shots were coming from above. Any reasonable person would have looked up, just to be sure, anyway.

[stickdog99]

BBC Breaking News, 3 mins ago:

Gunman killed in stand-off with Dallas police said he was 'working alone', was upset about police shootings of black people and wanted to kill white officers, police chief says

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36745862

If the gunman was killed, when did he say all this? (During a 'standoff' with cops, he says "I'm working alone"?)

He obviously called 911 to pledge his allegiance to killing white cops while working alone. He also posted this to Facebook during the shootout.

[kelley]

Is there an accurate account of when first and last shots were fired from above at DPD? Irrespective of the parking garage stand-off, which could be characterized as a related but separate incident.

[Burnt Hill]

That he acted alone appears to be a summary of his conversation with the negotiator.
I don't think "I was working alone" is an actual quote the deceased suspect.

[stickdog99]

That he acted alone appears to be a summary of his conversation with the negotiator.
I don't think "I was working alone" is an actual quote the deceased suspect.

But "I was negotiating alone" is definitely an exact quote of the deceased negotiator who did the summarizing.

[Burnt Hill]

FlightRadar crashes my laptop.
Can anyone verify the times that the aircraft was surveilling over Dallas?
Isn't it likely that it was there to monitor the protest itself?

[Iamwhomiam]

After watching the video showing the 'assailant' shoot the cop behind the column, if you focus on the rooftop railing and only the railing, you will see at least one bullet hitting it as sparks from the ricocheting bullet fragments fly. Perhaps too, again, from a second bullet hitting the railing and disintegrating a second later.

41 to 42 seconds in. Mac's posting of Randy Biart's video:



Grizzly's posting:
https://streamable.com/pgpb

Someone, imo, to the right and aside or behind the fellow taking the video was firing some sort of firearm down towards the action. Was that person a cop?

Also what structures are behind the fellow taking the video? Would any be tall enough give advantage to a shooter aiming from on high to a target on the street below?

One other curiosity in that video was the car turning right from a parking lot to head away from the scene rather quickly. A man walking on the side street seemed to be trying to catch up to the car and he also turned the same corner and headed away.

I've seen no other evidence of people or cops looking upwards other than in the photos already posted. Considering the size of the crowd, there should be more video and stills out there.

[Grizzly]

RANDOM question? Is that a cop that is shot, behind the column? We don't know that for sure, do we?

[Burnt Hill]

RANDOM question? Is that a cop that is shot, behind the column? We don't know that for sure, do we?

And losing the camera focus as that situation develops is incredible frustrating, maybe even questionable.

[Grizzly]

Further, I can't tell if the white pants guy is black or white, can anyone else? My initial perception was Tha he was white.

[Cordelia]

Again.........

"Shooters, at least two shooters.........from elevated positions......ambush style.......triangulated.........they"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMGZ6Eolgkg

"Dallas Police Chief David Brown said the shooters, some in elevated positions, used sniper rifles to fire at the officers in what appeared to be a coordinated attack.

“(They were) working together with rifles, triangulating at elevated positions in different points in the downtown area where the march ended up going,” Brown told a news conference, adding a civilian was also wounded."
http://fortune.com/2016/07/08/snipers-d ... shootings/

The Police Chief might have an idea what he's talking about?

"After joining the Dallas Police Department in 1983, Brown worked in patrol divisions, SWAT, and internal affairs.[1][5] He became first assistant chief of police, in 2005; in 2007–08 he served as assistant city manager.[3] He was appointed police chief in April 2010[6] and sworn into office on May 4, 2010"
from Wikipedia page (that doesn't link)

[Novem5er]

After watching the video showing the 'assailant' shoot the cop behind the column, if you focus on the rooftop railing and only the railing, you will see at least one bullet hitting it as sparks from the ricocheting bullet fragments fly. Perhaps too, again, from a second bullet hitting the railing and disintegrating a second later.

41 to 42 seconds in. Mac's posting of Randy Biart's video:

I have to disagree with you (and others) about bullets hitting the railing, and thus an elevated shooter (or someone shooting up). Look at 0:38 and 0:39 and you can see sparks on the far left of the scene. I think the officer behind the column is shooting and his rounds are impacting the concrete sidewalk. If you are watching the people, then you will miss it, keep your eyes to the left. Then as the video continues, the sparks continue to follow the direction the shooter is pointing, and appear counter-clockwise as the shooter moves around the column and aims his weapon in a counter-clockwise motion. The sparks appear also in tune with the gunshots we hear in the video.

I pulled some frames and used a line tool to mark what I'm talking about. Look and then watch the video again and see if I'm correct or not. The first imagine with the blue line is the police officer's round hitting the pavement to the left of the video. The other lines in red are the shooter's bullet trajectories. Notice he fires "north" of the pillar at first, and then swings "south" of it and rotates counter clockwise. The sparks match his movements.















NOTE: this was technically easy to do, but emotionally difficult based on my personal experience with gun violence. I only really did it because to me it helps to make sense of some of these kinds of things.

[Grizzly]

Hope I'm not being annoying, or posting to much, but it seems people are inferring, /assuming that the white pants guy is the same person who was blown up. I don't get that at all, at all. Am I crazy?

[0_0]

The videomaker says "Holy shit, there's more of them" at one point. Also, you see lots of policecars driving in an opposite direction from the scene and only like a couple of cops in the scene with that white pants shooter, which -imo- wouldn't seem to make much sense if that was the only guy shooting and the epicentre of the whole thing.

[Novem5er]

Just a note that I edited my above comment to include some photos that I edited to show my point about the video. Please take a look.