7/7 Dallas Shooting

[seemslikeadream]

(fucked up by his own country)

every single day 22 vets commit suicide

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Here's two clips of the same shooting (?) but from different angles:

https://streamable.com/pgpb (this is from the balcony and was posted here before)

https://streamable.com/tbs4 (this is a clip i hadn't seen before, from streetlevel)

It looks like different things are happening (?)

[Luther Blissett]

If the above "black sheep" narrative is true, it's another example of a so called beta-male, unsuccessful with women, lacking in peers, and angry at the world for being so miserable.

To be honest, I find this narrative easier to believe than secret agent, high level cover-up conspiracies designed to panic the public and guide public policy. The world is filled with angry young men and throw in a mix of social media and firearms and there's no reason to stage anything IMO.

Careful with this, I caught a lot of hell on the Elliott Rodger thread for taking this issue on.

[Rory]

These guys wear khakis and work for a security outfit named Craft. They were all over the place at the Boston Bombing. They also coincidentally were wearing backpacks identical to the backpacks the bomb was in.

Are you saying that because Johnson wore light-colored pants and tactical gear, you think Dallas was a Craft job?

I saw light colored pants on sale in the store the other day. Some folk were buying them as I watched on in horror...it's happening

[DrEvil]

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And Novemb3r, these guys are never the "super agent" types, not evil Jason Bournes, they are fucked up MK-ULTRA type guys who can be released with hypnotic instructions to do what they're programmed to do. (Uh, actually sort of like Jason Bourne before he had his awakening I suppose)

This reminds me very much of the DC Sniper. Remember Charles Moose and "duck in a noose" and all if that high weirdness?

They seem to have these guys in reserve, secret weapons so to speak. One phone call with the right triggers and these guys go off, doing what they are programmed to do.

OR it could have been a disgruntled black dude with a 65 year old rifle and supernatural abilities to be in 2 places at once.

I appreciate this idea. Honestly, with mental illness and excessive media exposure, I think there are probably many thousand MK Ultra potentials out there, without any formal indoctrination necessary. I think that's my point, is that this shit can happen organically. It's not like this is a totally peaceful world with everyone getting along if only for those secret government brainwashing projects! But if there was a conspiracy of some kind happening out there, I agree that it'd me more likely that several ordinary citizens have been harassed and indoctrinated for years and a little pushing by a handler could send them over the edge. I think that's very possible, and wouldn't even require a large conspiracy to pull off. Which leads me to my next quote . . .

One path of speculation I haven't seen yet: If this was an orchestrated plot and not a lone gunman, why does it have to be orchestrated by the feds/OGA? Couldn't it just as well be the Russians or the Chinese trying to destabilize the US even further? Having the US in political and social turmoil would be perfect for them.

I'll go a step further; it wouldn't even have to be another government at work. There are plenty of private groups that feed off of instability and violence. It could be anything from neo-fascist movements to arms manufacturers. Who benefits the MOST from this toxic social environment? Gun manufacturers. The cops have the guns. The citizens have the guns. The criminals have the guns. Literally its a business with only an up market.

So why isn't Smith & Wesson a prime suspect? Heckler & Kosh?

Agreed. I had Smith & Wesson in my first draft but couldn't be bothered to look up what's the largest gun manufacturer, so I threw it out. Their stock skyrockets every time there's a mass shooting.

Alright, my last point on this subject before I head off to bed, and it's a point that will probably make me unpopular.

I think people are reading too much into the earlier reports of multiple gunmen and snipers in elevated position.

Everybody is parsing Brown's words, looking at photos of police looking upwards, watching hasty videos of panicked onlookers, and wondering how in the hell one guy could have done so much damage from the street. I think a lot of people here want to believe so badly that there is more to this story, honestly more to EVERY story, than meets the eye. If you go back to basically every disaster in modern history, the minutes and hours after the events are ALWAYS filled with shitty information from multiple sources that turn out to be incorrect. I'm talking natural disasters, terrorist attacks, and plain old accidents.

Don't underestimate panic and confusion, and the media's incessant need to report anything as fast as possible to get the scoop, and the equally incessant need of authorities to make early statements to give the illusion that they are informed and in control.

Exactly! Every single time this happens there are reports of multiple shooters early on, and it always turns out to be (officially) a lone gunman. If these shootings are orchestrated they're orchestrated in a really, really stupid way. If it's supposed to be one gunman it only torpedoes the official narrative to have several people shooting. It's like the PTB secretly wants to be caught.

People seem to completely forget that humans are lousy eyewitnesses. Our memories are not 1:1 representations of what actually happened. Things get jumbled, we freak out and think we hear or see things, etc. One gunman moving from position to position can easily be mistaken for multiple shooters in the thick of it.

Let's look at the Dallas Police reporting early that there were multiple shooters in elevated positions. This was a statement released by the department at 11:53 pm on their Facebook page and other outlets. It states:

Dallas Police Department
July 7 at 11:53pm ·
Tonight it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally. Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition An intensive search for suspects is currently underway. No suspects are in custody at this time. We ask that any citizen with information regarding the shootings tonight call 214-671-3485.
We will provide more information once it is available. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers tonight.

https://www.facebook.com/DallasPD/posts/10154253588372412

The situation was literally still unfolding. Chaos. High emotions. The public knows something is up and the department puts out some information, not always to disinform, but to appear that they, themselves, are informed and in control. They amend the information as facts are nailed down. Obviously there can sometimes be tampering with truth - but not always - and simple change in information is not itself evidence of guilt.

Some here have claimed that the Dallas Police could be "in" on it, part of some larger conspiracy. I'm not sure how this misinformation would play into that . . . what the plan changed? They were told it was going to be multiple shooters, so they released that to the public, but then someone higher up decided to let some of the shooters go, so the police changed their story to match? No, that's the kind of uncoordinated stuff that actually unravels conspiracies rather than acting as evidence of a conspiracy.

In conclusion, I'm not saying that there isn't something more than meets the eye, but I am saying that we should use more scrutiny than just looking at early discrepancies as the foundation for alternative explanations.

[stickdog99]

Again, I have to ask all of you for all the other examples you can cite of disgruntled black men, alpha or beta male, serially shooting up white cops.

Surely with a 400+ year history of oppression in this country, you must be able to cite hundreds of examples of this Django Unchained white fantasy coming to life to seek its deserved revenge?

Right? Because it is just so damned believable. You know, just like hard drinking, stripper watching Muslim suicide bombers and kamikaze pilots. Right?

[82_28]

There are these murders of cops perpetrated/ambushed by black men in the fairly recent past in the Seattle area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood, ... r_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Timothy_Brenton

[Elihu]

Laws. Because of laws. Public safety is mandatory

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This is a key point. Today's cops are enforcers and debt collectors. They maintain commercial peace. That overlaps greatly with public safety but is not the same thing. That's why they tragically so often kill members of the public in order to protect the public.

Making something impossible mandatory by an army indisposed to do so is a problem with no solution without starting over.

[MacCruiskeen]

Novemb5r, where's your evidence that the official story is at all true?

Why is the cops story, for you, the most likeliest to be true?

Where have they shown us any evidence that this fucked up vet (fucked up by his own country) was the lone shooter?

Where's the evidence that they blew him up with a bomb. Why didn't the journalists crowded at the scene not that far away, in a downtown area where sound reverberates like crazy, not notice A POUND of C-4 being detonated. A pound! Why didn't anyone report about a massive explosion going off in the area where the perp was cornered? A guy who supposedly claimed to have bombs? That would have scared the shit out of everyone in a several block radius maybe further.

Why did they say suicide, then change the story to a silent robo-bomb?

Tell me do you believe the magic bullet theory re the JFK murder?

What the government tells us should immediately be suspected as a lie. Because it usually is. Where's the evidence, any evidence, that their story is truthful?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nordic... You're better than this. And you're not.

One observation: RI, you seem to be so... happy!

Mac, in particular, is positively giddy.

You, in particular, are positively cretinous. Not that you're lacking in company here at The New RI.

[MacCruiskeen]

Alright, my last point on this subject before I head off to bed, and it's a point that will probably make me unpopular.

I think people are reading too much into the earlier reports of multiple gunmen and snipers in elevated position.

Oh don't spoil the fun, I enjoy all the crazy.

Have you ever contributed anything of any actual use to this thread, or to any thread that questions your sainted Authorities? No, you're a smug smirking spectator, as usual. As ever. A know-nothing and a care-nothing who just loves to stick his tiny oar in.

[SonicG]

Well stated Elihu...the poor army police are soon to be overwhelmed, I fear...

[MacCruiskeen]

Now, for my own credibility, I'm not saying there has never been a false flag operation. I'm just saying that it doesn't mean every act of violence must be a false flag, simply because it fits the narrative of this message board. Realize most of the cases of false flags or the intention to commit one, were only discovered years after the fact with the release or leaks of classified documents and supposed participants. What amazing internet sleuths we would all be if we could crack the case, every case, in a matter of hours in what used to take researchers years to do.

[...] We should absolutely be skeptical. However, in the interest of avoiding this entire forum becoming nothing more than an echo chamber, I think we should also be skeptical of our skepticism.

Wow. Brilliant idea. Sterling advice. Why did none of us ever think of that before?

Jeff Wells, By One Who Knew Him.

[Karmamatterz]

Have you ever contributed anything of any actual use to this thread, or to any thread that questions your sainted Authorities? No, you're a smug smirking spectator, as usual. As ever. A know-nothing and a care-nothing who just loves to stick his tiny oar in.

Cool! Now we're reverting to playground ball busting of my dick is bigger than yours.

Well at least nobody has been called a fascists yet.....but it's only Noon here in Ohio.

I nominate myself as a spectator to this entire thread because I haven't had time to do the good work all of you had and I'm careful where I stick my oar. What I've been able to digest from your work has been interesting, sure as hell beats the drivel from the usual MSM suspects and wacko websites. Thanks all.

[Novem5er]

Great find on the slain office with a possible iron cross on his finger. Here's another take, though. Does he have any relation to fire departments? Does he have family in a fire department back home? Cops and firefighters often have a sibling rivalry, but are often very supportive of each other. Notice the circle in the middle of his tattoo and that in the fireman's shield.



Now, on to the rest of it:

Novemb5r, where's your evidence that the official story is at all true?

Why is the cops story, for you, the most likeliest to be true?

Where have they shown us any evidence that this fucked up vet (fucked up by his own country) was the lone shooter?

Where's the evidence that they blew him up with a bomb. Why didn't the journalists crowded at the scene not that far away, in a downtown area where sound reverberates like crazy, not notice A POUND of C-4 being detonated. A pound! Why didn't anyone report about a massive explosion going off in the area where the perp was cornered? A guy who supposedly claimed to have bombs? That would have scared the shit out of everyone in a several block radius maybe further.

Why did they say suicide, then change the story to a silent robo-bomb?

Tell me do you believe the magic bullet theory re the JFK murder?

What the government tells us should immediately be suspected as a lie. Because it usually is. Where's the evidence, any evidence, that their story is truthful?

Nordic, I respect you and your posts. You make good points and always good contributions. I applaud you for being critical. Another poster asked me if I was skeptical enough for my own skepticism . . . as in, could I apply my own level of skepticism to the official narrative, just as you are. It's a fair point, and I think that I am skeptical of both accounts. All of our opinions must be based on two things: questions and evidence.

Questions we have - but where is the evidence? So let's look at that word and what it means to us on RigInt and the Internet in general.

I'm assuming that nobody posting here is from Dallas. I'm assuming that nobody here was at the protest or can easily drive up there now, after the fact, and do some investigating of their own. So what does that leave us? How do we get evidence? The ONLY evidence any of us have are news reports and social networking posts. That it. In fact, take away the media and the Internet and none of us would have ever known this ever happened. 100% of what we use as evidence is reported to us by strangers.

I don't trust the police. But I also don't trust eye witness accounts taken in the middle of a panic. What I half-way trust is video . . . and the video we have seen shows a single shooter on the ground, moving deftly between columns, firing multiple shots at a distance and eventually at close range. We have two videos of this now. This also matches the official story - not the FIRST official story, but the one that was presented after everything calmed down.

Back to what DrEvil has said - WHY would a conspiracy have the police CHANGE their story? Why have the police report multiple elevated snipers and then have them throw that away and cover it up?! It doesn't make the least bit of sense.

What also doesn't make sense is that EVERY police force in America is compromised and is part of a national-level conspiracy. Every time there is a mass-media violent crime, we have these same cycles of first-hand reports, conflicting information, an official story, and then accusations from the Internet of a cover-up . . . all based on that first round of conflicting reports.

FFS, really?! Nobody sees the pattern here? Oh, actually we see the pattern but there are two versions:

A) every instance of public violence is a conspiracy of grand proportions that involves the deep involvement of high-level government, secret/sleeper agents, local police brass IN EVERY CITY and low-pay officers on the ground - all working together of squash the truth of early reports from citizens AND the police themselves.

B) shit happens. People get confused. Citizens and officials report incorrect information and update it when it becomes more clear.

Again - I'm not saying conspiracies don't exist. I don't buy every official story. I believe 9/11 occurred with at least some prior knowledge from some in our government - and I hold it entirely possible that some in our government caused it to happen. I believe GLADIO was a thing. I think JFK was taken out by an organization, not an individual.

I just don't believe that every other week in America there is a violent conspiracy occurring on that level. Not without more evidence than a few, confused witnesses and a mistaken early police statement.

[MacCruiskeen]

Of course, not one of you Heroes of Reason (Freitag, minime, Novem5er; Karmamatterz) even bothers to respond to the demonstrable fact that Dallas Police Chief Brown lied to the public, i.e., to you, about this case. And is still doing so.

One can only conclude that you like being lied to.