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Nordic » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:58 am wrote:I didn't mean to say you were. You did, however, challenge us to provide evidence to disprove the non-evidentiary basis of the authorities' stories, which seemed to suggest you took gave their stories, with no evidence, more benefit of the doubt than anyone's legitimate distrust.
Which sounded a lot of typical FB posts of people who enjoy believing the authorities' stories "where's your proof??!!"
Thanks for pointing out your lack of insisting that you were right. I appreciate that.
Your use of strawman arguments to support your case - that if the authorities are lying that it's some massive far-reaching conspiracy using super-agents and total complicity in the part of the entire police force and the "press", though, is reminiscent of FB type arguing.
Really all they needed was one damaged and controlled gunman with one or 2 other secret real shooters (guys who didn't flunk out of marksmanship training) to pull it off. Then at the right time the Feds enter the fray, pull rank on the locals and end of story. "Homeland Security".
Have they finally settled on the part of the story that describes what kind of gun he used? SKS or AR? Or do we need to wait for the autopsy reports to see what killed the cops first, and then "figure it out"?
stefano » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:50 am wrote:I haven't been following this terribly closely but is the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word) based on:
1. the fact that Brown said "garage" on the Friday morning in the conference before Johnson was killed, then no one corrected that officially over the weekend (although the college pointed out that the shooting had happened in its building), until the Monday when Brown said he'd misspoken
2. Very early reports of multiple shooters
? Is there anything else?
stefano wrote:the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word)
At the group blog Qlipoth, I wrote:The term 'conspiracy theory' is a thoughtstopper and nothing more. Jamey Hecht nailed it years ago:"THE TERM ‘CONSPIRACY THEORY’
This phrase is among the tireless workhorses of establishment discourse. Without it, disinformation would be much harder than it is. “Conspiracy theory” is a trigger phrase, saturated with intellectual contempt and deeply anti-intellectual resentment. It makes little sense on its own, and while it’s a priceless tool of propaganda, it is worse than useless as an explanatory category."
http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/JameyHecht.htm
It is no more possible to use that cant term innocently than it is to speak innocently of 'the Jewish problem' or 'political correctness' or 'family values' or 'the terrorist threat' or 'the shiftlessness of the working classes'. Words are weapons, among much else.
http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006/10/crea ... ublic.html
As officials sift through eyewitness accounts, body-camera pictures, and video footage from nearby businesses to piece together what happened, they won’t get much help from the college’s security cameras.
Those cameras "went down when the college website crashed, overloaded by the volume of hits the website received," a college-district spokeswoman, Ann Hatch, wrote in an email. Campus officials did not respond to questions about how that could happen.
http://chronicle.com/article/How-the-Shooting-in-Dallas/237103
DrEvil » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:16 pm wrote:^^If the cameras were connected to and controlled through the same server as the website then it is possible that the the traffic overload crashed the server with both the website and cameras.
"He was secreted behind a brick corner," [Chief Brown] said, "and the only way to get a sniper shot to end his trying to kill us would be to expose officers to grave danger."
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/10/polit ... index.html
As officials sift through eyewitness accounts, body-camera pictures, and video footage from nearby businesses to piece together what happened, they won’t get much help from the college’s security cameras.
Those cameras "went down when the college website crashed, overloaded by the volume of hits the website received," a college-district spokeswoman, Ann Hatch, wrote in an email. Campus officials did not respond to questions about how that could happen.
http://chronicle.com/article/How-the-Sh ... las/237103
Burnt Hill wrote:They did mention the possibility that the robot bomb may have caused [the malfunctioning of security cameras] though.
MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:17 am wrote:stefano » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:50 am wrote:I haven't been following this terribly closely but is the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word) based on:
1. the fact that Brown said "garage" on the Friday morning in the conference before Johnson was killed, then no one corrected that officially over the weekend (although the college pointed out that the shooting had happened in its building), until the Monday when Brown said he'd misspoken
2. Very early reports of multiple shooters
? Is there anything else?
The bolded part is believable, but why enter a thread that has been following it closely just to say that? I mean, you could instead just follow it closely.stefano wrote:the conspiracy theory (for want of a better word)
There are better words, much better ones and readily available too. E.g. "analysis and rebuttal of an official account".At the group blog Qlipoth, I wrote:The term 'conspiracy theory' is a thoughtstopper and nothing more. Jamey Hecht nailed it years ago:"THE TERM ‘CONSPIRACY THEORY’
This phrase is among the tireless workhorses of establishment discourse. Without it, disinformation would be much harder than it is. “Conspiracy theory” is a trigger phrase, saturated with intellectual contempt and deeply anti-intellectual resentment. It makes little sense on its own, and while it’s a priceless tool of propaganda, it is worse than useless as an explanatory category."
http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/JameyHecht.htm
It is no more possible to use that cant term innocently than it is to speak innocently of 'the Jewish problem' or 'political correctness' or 'family values' or 'the terrorist threat' or 'the shiftlessness of the working classes'. Words are weapons, among much else.
http://qlipoth.blogspot.de/2006/10/crea ... ublic.html
Summary:
First there were "four snipers", then "at least two snipers, triangulating" from "elevated" "perches" / meanwhile no official mention whatsoever of the single shooter filmed firing off dozens of rounds on the street and killing at least one cop at point-blank range / no mention of the fact that the police had known by no later than 9pm that that same shooter had retreated into El Centro,/ a college corridor described repeatedly as a parking garage / two completely different rifles named by "authorities" / still no account whatsoever of where the alleged shooter was "holed up" during the "standoff" (except now we're told it was somewhere on the second floor of the college as opposed to in amongst a big bunch of parked cars) / first-ever use of a drone robot to kill a US citizen on US soil, etc., etc., etc.
Don't mention it. And if you're looking for more detail and numerous links to the available evidence, then you might start by reading this here very thread, where you can also follow the now-longrunning serial "My Struggle", by Novem5er.
backtoiam » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:39 pm wrote:How does the "top" its way down to that level in your fantasy version?
Like Dallas. Somebody powerful planned that in my opinion and it was not run of the mill BLM members. Mckesson hangs out with an elite crowd and probably the sort of people that would pull a stunt like that. Its a shame it happened at a BLM protest because the masses at large that have no clue what is really going on watch tv and will associate it with BLM even though BLM protestors were as shocked as everybody else. I have no idea if Mckesson had foreknowledge but considering who he hangs with, the Aspen crowd, it wouldn't surprise me. Regardless in the minds of a lot of people that don't know better to some degree the BLM brand will be associated with it unfortunately.
edited to add
When things like this happen its not just bad for black BLM members it also bad for white people because it ratchets up the "strategy of tension" and everybody loses. And that is goal of the tension makers.
Luther Blissett » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:46 pm wrote:
- Did the negotiator die? Are they still alive?
- Who shot the two protestors? The media and police imply it was Johnson, but that seems unlikely
- When did Johnson work for General Dynamics, what did he do there, who was his manager, what do coworkers from that time say about him?
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