Let's talk Turkey

[Joao]

While each situation is unique, the following is still a must-watch for those who would seek an informed perspective on the dynamics of coups and counter-coups:

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (2002) - Chavez: Inside the Coup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, also known as Chávez: Inside the Coup, is a 2003 documentary focusing on events in Venezuela leading up to and during the April 2002 coup d'état attempt, which saw President Hugo Chávez removed from office for two days. With particular emphasis on the role played by Venezuela's private media, the film examines several key incidents: the protest march and subsequent violence that provided the impetus for Chávez's ousting; the opposition's formation of an interim government headed by business leader Pedro Carmona; and the Carmona administration's collapse, which paved the way for Chávez's return. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised was directed by Irish filmmakers Kim Bartley and Donnacha Ó Briain. Given direct access to Chávez, the filmmakers intended to make a fly-on-the-wall biography of the president. They spent seven months filming in Venezuela, following Chávez and his staff and interviewing ordinary citizens. As the coup unfolded on 11 April, Bartley and Ó Briain filmed on the streets of the capital, Caracas, capturing footage of protesters and the erupting violence. Later, they filmed many of the political upheavals inside Miraflores, the presidential palace.

[Nordic]

Last night at 2am I couldn't even tell wtf was happening over there no matter how hard I tried.

A few hours later suddenly people are experts and KNOW the TRUTH about everything.

FFS.

[backtoiam]

You just put a burden on me. I never said it was fake. I just want to understand the no blood magic. I will let you have that homework assignment. Its all in this forum bro. What aint here can easily be found. I won't do your homework. If you didn't follow that aint my fault. I never gave an opinion and said I knew for sure. I only asked questions for the most part. Besides I am an old man and I tire of this internet shit. I may stop this and go find some sunshine.

[PufPuf93]

Last night at 2am I couldn't even tell wtf was happening over there no matter how hard I tried.

A few hours later suddenly people are experts and KNOW the TRUTH about everything.

FFS.

What does FFS mean?

The coup and subsequent failure was fast.

Looked and was reported as a sure event and then the tide turned 100% in a matter of hours.

For certain Erdogan and backers are and will continue a purge of opposition.

What is mega-confusing but interesting is all the repercussions.

Lots going on with Turkey, 28 Saudi pages, Nice, Orlando / Dallas, Brexit, and the USA POTUS primaries.

Lots of various reasons and folks to spin for bias or agenda.

I try to provide material to RI from what are not overly speculative sources; what the authorities and the media are seeing, what the hoi polloi are hearing and most thinking.

I am more than willing to consider and believe extremes but have a process of moving to that sort of viewpoint.

What is happening in Turkey looks and probably is a major pivot point. Very fresh event.

[backtoiam]

What does FFS mean?

for fucks sake

[PufPuf93]

While each situation is unique, the following is still a must-watch for those who would seek an informed perspective on the dynamics of coups and counter-coups:

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (2002) - Chavez: Inside the Coup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, also known as Chávez: Inside the Coup, is a 2003 documentary focusing on events in Venezuela leading up to and during the April 2002 coup d'état attempt, which saw President Hugo Chávez removed from office for two days. With particular emphasis on the role played by Venezuela's private media, the film examines several key incidents: the protest march and subsequent violence that provided the impetus for Chávez's ousting; the opposition's formation of an interim government headed by business leader Pedro Carmona; and the Carmona administration's collapse, which paved the way for Chávez's return. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised was directed by Irish filmmakers Kim Bartley and Donnacha Ó Briain. Given direct access to Chávez, the filmmakers intended to make a fly-on-the-wall biography of the president. They spent seven months filming in Venezuela, following Chávez and his staff and interviewing ordinary citizens. As the coup unfolded on 11 April, Bartley and Ó Briain filmed on the streets of the capital, Caracas, capturing footage of protesters and the erupting violence. Later, they filmed many of the political upheavals inside Miraflores, the presidential palace.

Amazing documentary film and sorry to see what has happened over time with the "Bolivarian Revolution" championed by Chavez.

I followed specifically Plan Columbia but also had paid attention contemporary with what had gone on in Guatemala, Chile, Panama, Granada, and so on as I have made a point to try to stay informed with movements of the USA military since the Vietnam War.

[PufPuf93]

What does FFS mean?

for fucks sake

Now that seems obvious.

Thanks.

[82_28]

What does FFS mean?

for fucks sake

I asked just the same thing here like last week.

[backtoiam]

What does FFS mean?

for fucks sake

Now that seems obvious.

Thanks.

You are welcome. Since I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer what does IIRC mean?

[82_28]

I didn't know that one either and I just looked it up. IIRC means "if I remember correctly".

[conniption]

the saker

Military Coup in Turkey SITREP, by Scott
July 16, 2016

[Sounder]

Thanks for that conniption, the Saker attracts reasonable people to his comments section.

Marlene and Grieved recognize well how consciousness can evolve.

Marlene on July 16, 2016 · at 8:28 pm UTC

What you said makes common sense….
From Scott: “I don’t support Erdogan’s polices to keep many people in jails including the military officers and journalists, but he is good for Russia.”
I have a feeling that amongst Putin’s many gifts, one of his strongest, is to bring people to more reasonable and acceptable insights — mostly backed by on the ground floor practical examples of leadership — in other words: what has proves workable in practice. In that way, hard core leaders change their brutal stance and in doing so, their people begin to reap the benefits of such changes and approve — even if cautiously so initially. That is the moment their leader realizes that he does not have to rule with a rod of iron to stay in power and it changes him for the better as he becomes a more caring and people oriented leader. Whether Erdogan could ever become such a leader, one doesn’t know — but Erdogan already knows that the writing is on the wall and he has already taken the first steps towards change, maybe selfishly so, but hard lessons wait if he does not become more of a peoples leader. (My opinion)
Anyway, that’s what I hope.. Putin once said and not quoted verbatim, something to the effect, that he often has to work with leaders he does not particularly like, but doors have to remain open and the hope is always there that people can and will change for the better and that many times they do — that there are genuine avenues to pursue to bring insights to people, which result in positive changes. Better to lead by example than precept.
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Grieved on July 17, 2016 · at 2:19 am UTC

Yes, thank you, Marlene, this is excellent. It’s a point that is difficult to put into words. But the fact is that one accords with those one associates with. There are effects from relationships. People change, especially when the way they have to act changes.

I hope Erdogan shows mercy to the innocent and gullible in his retribution. Right now I’d be willing to bet a good 50/50 that he will. And much of this, from the influence of the company he now keeps, as well as the sheer security that comes from these seedling relationships with Russia and China (and soon, Iran and Syria).

I wonder if the time will come when we see that Erdogan finally saw that his relationship with the west spelled the dissolution and ultimate asset-stripping of Turkey, and that he acted decisively to shift its alliance to the East, and thus saved his country. It’s hard to hate a man who saves his country. That’s a Kemalist trait right there, and the Turks know how to be grateful for strong leadership that keeps the nation intact and strong, and the wolves at bay.

Erdogan softens as the Turkish world becomes more prosperous and allied with other strong partners? Yes, of course, how could it not be so?

[backtoiam]

42 Helicopters Missing in Turkey Sparking Concerns of a Second Coup Attempt

17:26 17.07.2016(updated 19:11 17.07.2016)

At least 42 helicopters have gone missing from Turkey's military inventory in the wake of the failed coup attempt on Friday evening causing concern that there may be another act to the attempted overthrow of Erdogan.

CNN Turk anchor Serdar Tuncer reports that at least 42 helicopters have gone missing from the Turkish military inventory and says concern is brewing that another coup effort may soon be underway.

"It is as though this rogue will try more things. Can they succeed? No! But will they try?" said the reporter.

Unrest continues in Turkey in the wake of Friday's failed coup attempt that left at least 265 dead and over 2000 people wounded, most of whom were civilians answering the call of President Erdogan to put down the coup attempt.

Serdar Tuncer (@Yaziyor) July 16, 2016

​The Turkish government asserts that it has retained full-control of the government and has begun a "systematic purge of the military." On Saturday, the government rounded up over 6,000 individuals who will face prosecution under the country's treason laws with President Erdogan refusing to rule out applying a death sentence to the traitors. The arrested include 2,745 judges and over 2,800 soldiers in the Turkish military including Erdogan's top military adviser.

The US State Department cautions that the situation in Turkey remains unstable in the wake of the failed coup plot and warns foreign travelers against visiting the country citing an increased terror threat as chaos ensues across the country.

NATO also maintains roughly 90 tactical nuclear weapons at the Incirlik Air Base, from where the 42 helicopters have gone missing, causing concern about the security of US weapons in Turkey and raising the specter that terrorists may ultimately be able to get their hands on advanced weaponry or potentially a nuclear bomb.
http://sputniknews.com/news/20160717/10 ... apons.html

[MacCruiskeen]

Horrible photos on the front pages of the German print media today of captured soldiers being whipped with leather belts by troops loyal to Erdogan.

[MacCruiskeen]

https://twitter.com/CraigMcVegas/status ... 9202230272