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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:38 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:23 pm wrote:.

I may not have been born until the mid-70s, but I'm quite familiar with history. Appreciate the refresher, however.

Anything is possible in this current semi-dystopian era of politics, including the return of an Abortion ban, if we are to wholly subscribe to the rhetoric of the Trump campaign (though he's apparently changed his position on this topic several times -- shocker).

Somehow, despite various reports/indications of VOTER FRAUD throughout the primaries (http://observer.com/2016/07/california- ... stigation/) -- not to mention voter fraud in past National election cycles -- you both seem to subscribe to this notion that there will be accurately counted and/or accounted for and/or un-altered votes of the registered citizenry, and those pristine votes will drive the selection of the next Pantomime-In-Chief.

I say once again: admire the idealism.


I am not sure if you meant me but in no way have I trusted USA elections since November 2000.

The Democratic party in the 2016 primary was shameful.

It is questionable if the USA remains a democracy.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:45 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:23 pm wrote:.


I say once again: admire the idealism.



it's not idealism ...it's personal ....it's visceral....I lived it...you read about it
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:49 pm

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(I edited my prior comment to clarify, PuffPuff -- it was partially tongue-in-cheek, in any event. I don't assume to know the inner workings of someone else's mind.. Do other minds even exist? I may be dreaming this entire reality.. Solipsism in full effect).

SLAD, I'm not discounting the reality of what a Trump presidency may bring. We seem to be moving on parallel tracks.. in any event, Yes: an abortion ban would be one of several tragic turns for the worse, agreed. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:33 am

Bill Clinton urging/tricking his bromance buddy Trump to run, knowing Trump would bring the crazy to a meta level, was pure genius. Though, not
sure even Bill could imagine where we'd be as of latter July of 2016. The RNC platform is so bizarre "ban porn, abortion and gay rights, but break up wall street and build a giant wall".
Love how Trump ran as the "anti war" guy, and now is filling the RNC speaking slots with people screaming for more war.

As I wondered out loud a year ago, who or what is funding Trump and behind him? As it seems all the neocons cept Rummy are either fervently anti Trump or in some cases backing Clinton.
And reports indicate Wall Street is completely absent from the RNC but will be all in at the DNC in Philly. But the one conspiracy/real politic question I've never seen once asked online
is who is behind Trump. Pence is tied deeply to the Koch, but whats behind the Trump phenomenon?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:42 am

"8bitagent

And reports indicate Wall Street is completely absent from the RNC but will be all in at the DNC in Philly."


That would not be not be shocking. It was Bill after all that let the foxes in bank hen house with Glass Steegal. Then Bush guarded the door to make sure nobody shut it.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Freitag » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:39 am

8bitagent » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:33 pm wrote:whats behind the Trump phenomenon?


Maybe it's just what it appears to be on the surface, no conspiracy required.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:34 am

Freitag » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:39 am wrote:
8bitagent » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:33 pm wrote:whats behind the Trump phenomenon?


Maybe it's just what it appears to be on the surface, no conspiracy required.


I agree completely. After decades of continuous brainwashing of the Republican base in racism and xenophobia, a bloodthirsty "Christianity" that despises Christ's teachings, a bizarroland "libertarianism" that fetishizes guns, oil drills and derivatives but denies women's rights to their own bodies, and an intense hatred of a flexibly defined liberalism that covers everyone from Stalin to Clinton, the ground had been made fertile for a pretend-billionaire and serial scammer of the stupid (casinos, fake universities, beauty pageants, etc.) who figured out that as an outsider he could stroll into the party primary process and, employing his extensive training as a professional wrestling performer and reality TV mogul, entrance the base as well as a few million other stupid and ignorant people and commit a hostile takeover of said party, so that he can force the whole world to watch a global performance of his own Mussolini cosplay. The corporate media responded in pavlovian fashion to the promise of easy ratings and collaborated by giving said fake billionaire's daily flow of random and contradictory bilge 20 to 200 times the coverage of Sanders and also at least three times the coverage of Clinton. The show's pilot season has been extended several times and the self-producer hopes to get a contract for an additional four or eight. It's all in the open and the fellow regularly confesses it, as in his two excellent statements that "I could shoot a guy right on Fifth Avenue and not lose any of my supporters," and the one about a poll finding "I'm popularly with the poorly educated - poorly educated, I like that." But what's your excuse, Freitag?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:43 am

The RNC platform is so bizarre "ban porn, abortion and gay rights, but break up wall street and build a giant wall".
Love how Trump ran as the "anti war" guy, and now is filling the RNC speaking slots with people screaming for more war.

As I wondered out loud a year ago, who or what is funding Trump and behind him? As it seems all the neocons cept Rummy are either fervently anti Trump or in some cases backing Clinton.
And reports indicate Wall Street is completely absent from the RNC but will be all in at the DNC in Philly. But the one conspiracy/real politic question I've never seen once asked online
is who is behind Trump. Pence is tied deeply to the Koch, but whats behind the Trump phenomenon?


This is the usual dog whistle crappola they spew at conventions. The DNC will be no different. Trump is only falling in line with with the organizers of the RNC when it comes to all these speakers and drum beating. He knows at some point he has to enlist more grassroots support. There is always a contingent of conservatives that like to beat war drums just as the liberals trot out their agendas. All of this is so boorishly scripted and lame.

The Trump phenom is about populism. People are fed up with shit. They are tired of lies, promises never delivered, their wages and jobs being lost to cheap overseas labor, faux terrorism, not enough hard line on "real" terrorism etc.... Of course they don't realize (yet) that Trump is a schill lying prick just like Hillary and her Wall Street pals are greedy nasty "liberal" thugs.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Freitag » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:35 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:34 pm wrote:
Freitag » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:39 am wrote:
8bitagent » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:33 pm wrote:whats behind the Trump phenomenon?


Maybe it's just what it appears to be on the surface, no conspiracy required.


I agree completely. After decades of continuous brainwashing of the Republican base in racism and xenophobia, a bloodthirsty "Christianity" that despises Christ's teachings, a bizarroland "libertarianism" that fetishizes guns, oil drills and derivatives but denies women's rights to their own bodies, and an intense hatred of a flexibly defined liberalism that covers everyone from Stalin to Clinton, the ground had been made fertile for a pretend-billionaire and serial scammer of the stupid (casinos, fake universities, beauty pageants, etc.) who figured out that as an outsider he could stroll into the party primary process and, employing his extensive training as a professional wrestling performer and reality TV mogul, entrance the base as well as a few million other stupid and ignorant people and commit a hostile takeover of said party, so that he can force the whole world to watch a global performance of his own Mussolini cosplay. The corporate media responded in pavlovian fashion to the promise of easy ratings and collaborated by giving said fake billionaire's daily flow of random and contradictory bilge 20 to 200 times the coverage of Sanders and also at least three times the coverage of Clinton. The show's pilot season has been extended several times and the self-producer hopes to get a contract for an additional four or eight. It's all in the open and the fellow regularly confesses it, as in his two excellent statements that "I could shoot a guy right on Fifth Avenue and not lose any of my supporters," and the one about a poll finding "I'm popularly with the poorly educated - poorly educated, I like that." But what's your excuse, Freitag?


The Trump presidency is going to be a rough 8 years for you, isn't it? Just steer clear of all those bloodthirsty Christians and you'll be fine.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:07 pm

As it seems all the neocons cept Rummy are either fervently anti Trump or in some cases backing Clinton.


Jeb Bush jumped on the support train today.


The Trump presidency is going to be a rough 8 years for you, isn't it? Just steer clear of all those bloodthirsty Christians and you'll be fine.


The crusades are over. In this day and age the true number of "blood thirsty" Christians is so small as to not exist. That last of the true holy rollers that think like "gay people are evil sinners, repent before God or die" type are the old ladies sitting in the church pews. They are so old and close to dying off they have one foot on a banana peel and the other in the grave. Most of the rest of the blood thirsty Christians are a TV fiction.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:17 pm

Freitag » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:51 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:34 am wrote:Interesting choice, Freitag. Why didn't you post the poll's projected winner, Clinton?


Because I'm a Trump supporter (duh). And because I don't really know the difference between the two data sets. I'd rather see info about who is leading in the polls than about who people think is going to win. Maybe people think the establishment will fix the election for Crooked Hillary so they choose her as the winner, even though Trump is leading.

Do you question the biases of any anti-Trump posters on the board? How about when slimmouse posts criticism of Trump's son-in-law's statement about him not being racist, but doesn't post the statement itself?

It's a free country, you can post the other info if you want.


Thanks for your reply, Freitag. I appreciate your explanation. But the question was honest, without any deeper meaning. It was a small sample though, 3,000. I wasn't able to capture the image of the interactive graphic, but would have, had I the wherewithal. Great site, btw. Thanks.

I try not to question peoples biases because, you know, they're biased. What's the point of me trying to overcome the biases of another? How would attempting to do so benefit me? Life's too short, my friend.

If anything, I only try to better understand why people feel or believe as they do. I might even ask them what they found interesting in something they've quoted, if I cannot find anything of interest in it at all.

I must not have noticed slimmouse's comment, as I cannot recall my having read it, though I must have. But I'll sure as hell question friends why they support Hillary.

The unexpected is often baffling and peeks my curiosity whenever encountered.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:26 pm

Woe to those who do not recognize warring religions!

The crusades are over. In this day and age the true number of "blood thirsty" Christians is so small as to not exist. That last of the true holy rollers that think like "gay people are evil sinners, repent before God or die" type are the old ladies sitting in the church pews. They are so old and close to dying off they have one foot on a banana peel and the other in the grave. Most of the rest of the blood thirsty Christians are a TV fiction.


Did you not listen to the open night of the Republican Party Presidential Convention? Did you not hear the cheers?

They're as bloodthirsty as ever, but now they are deadlier than ever.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:36 pm

so ok maybe you don't like women...maybe you like drugs...there's a reason not to vote for him

Trump VP Pick Mike Pence Is Bad News on Pot, Drug Policy
Surprise! The Tea Party governor is extremely retrograde when it comes to drugs, too.
By Phillip Smith / AlterNet July 18, 2016


The Republican nominee's choice of Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his running mate means Trump has selected a man who is the very embodiment of last century's "tough on drugs" prohibitionist attitudes.

Pence's anti-drug reform stances are part and parcel of his overall social conservative, Tea Party positions. He has also been a strong opponent of gay marriage and abortion rights and a strong supporter of "religious freedom."

Indiana has tough marijuana laws, with possession of even the smallest amount of pot worth up to six months in county jail and possession of more than 30 grams (slightly more than an ounce) a felony punishable by up to 2 ½ years in prison. Selling any amount more than 30 grams is also a felony, again punishable by up to 2 ½ years in prison.

Mike Pence is just fine with that. In fact, three years ago he successfully blocked a move in the legislature to reduce some of those penalties, saying that while he wanted to cut prison populations, he didn't want to cut penalties to achieve that end.

"I think we need to focus on reducing crime, not reducing penalties," he said. "I think this legislation, as it moves forward, should still seek to continue to send a way strong message to the people of Indiana and particularly to those who would come into our state to deal drugs, that we are tough and we're going to stay tough on narcotics in this state."

Pence did sign emergency legislation allowing for needle exchange programs in some Indiana counties last year, but only after initial resistance, during which more than 150 cases of HIV/AIDS were reported in one county alone. His hesitance was in line with his anti-drug values, as evidenced by his 2009 vote as a US representative to keep intact a federal ban on funding for needle exchanges.

Pence is also a gung-ho drug warrior when it comes to the Mexican border, having voted to support billions in funding for Mexico to fight drug cartels and for using the US military to conduct anti-drug and counter-terror patrols along the border.

Bizarrely enough, there is one drug Pence has no problems with, but it's a legal one: nicotine. That's right, the drug warrior is an apologist and denier for Big Tobacco.

"Time for a quick reality check," he said in 2000. "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill."

Pence has been handsomely compensated by tobacco companies for his advocacy against anti-smoking public health campaigns, even though they have proven wildly successful in driving down smoking rates. Mike Pence is a man who rejects proven public health interventions for one dangerous substance while insisting on failed punitive, prohibitionist policies for another, less dangerous, substance. That's so last century.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:51 pm

"Did you not listen to the open night of the Republican Party Presidential Convention? Did you not hear the cheers?"

Yeah I heard it but they will all go back to work tomorrow and try to figure out how to pay the bills. They are not selling all their assets in an effort to amass enough cash to buy a weapon and go crusade to kill some people that don't believe in God. Half of them probably don't even go to church. They want just a good job that affords a comfortable lifestyle and something better than homelessness or near homelessness when they get old. Good jobs for their kids and grandchildren.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby brekin » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:05 pm

Freitag » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:39 am wrote:
8bitagent » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:33 pm wrote:whats behind the Trump phenomenon?


Maybe it's just what it appears to be on the surface, no conspiracy required.


Every age deserves its prophet.
From the 80's on, out right greed has been celebrated with minor dips (and that mostly in the youth culture).
And there is now a media system that basically is designed to promote the extremest of the extreme people, who are basically real life versions of villains from the old 60's Batman show. Gander at the top ten searched people for 2015.

Most Searched People 2015

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainme ... ogle-2015/

1 LAMAR ODOM
2 CAITLYN JENNER
3 RONDA ROUSEY
4 DONALD TRUMP
5 RUBY ROSE
6 CHARLIE SHEEN
7 BRIAN WILLIAMS
8 RACHEL DOLEZAL
9 ADELE
10 JOSH DUGGAR

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This pop culture socio economic "field" has long fostered the arrival of and created the form of Trump in thousands of permutations to where another eccentric, (not in the British sense, but more fascist sense), millionaire/billionaire? candidate comes along like before but who doesn't even deign to pretend to play the political game (that he even cares about the American slobs, ethnic & international relationships, institutional infrastructure, laws, press, women, poor, migrants, he supposedly is going to save) and divides the country with armed mobs at both ends, and this is all sold (again for the 100X) as an outsider of politics to be the peoples champion.

I think technology is making people more narcissistic and Troll-ish, to where only a King of the Narcissists of the Troll Kingdom can rule them. Every thing technology is suppose to do, it seems to do the opposite ten fold but it keeps everyone busy, obedient and runs a sort of loose binding polis-economy. Major banking scandals drain the masses money, the banks walk away from it, and we get movies like The Wolf of Wall Street. (Even The Big Short, for all of its great, guilty exposition, edutaining the masses, and warning of a sequel for all, and side message of "money can't buy everything, kind of"- has the focus on 8 central characters who walk away as multi-milllionaires.) I could go on but we all know the tune.
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