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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:41 pm

There's something to be said for going outside. And not thinking about it for awhile.

My gardening is more important than my writing or research ever will be.


Gawd how refreshing.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Novem5er » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:44 pm

Whether the hacker was Russian or not, it was up to Julian Assange to release the emails when he did. On that same idea, it's kind of up to the American public how they react to the email. So far it's been bad press for the DNC and Hillary and some Bernie supporters walked out of the convention.

Now, it's bad if Russia is actually trying to interfere with out elections . . . but aren't they interfering by using the TRUTH? It's kind of hard to be mad at them (or anybody) when they are exposing a corrupt system of insider-politics using those insiders own words (or email).

Imagine if Russians exposed Watergate . . . well, yeah, but it'd still be Watergate.

So far, though, I'm not buying it. So this latest "proof" of Russian involvement is that a security company traced the hacker back to a Russian server. Mmm, okay... I guess those Russian hackers are pretty shitty, then. But in the same article it said that Glucifer 2.0 originally disguised his location by bouncing his IP through a French server, which they said is easy and effective.

The point of these news stories is to create a narrative for the public. F.U.D.; Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. It could be the Russians, I don't put it past them, but the truth is it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Karmamatterz » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:37 am

Imagine if Russians exposed Watergate . . . well, yeah, but it'd still be Watergate.


No. Watergate's exposure and taking down Nixon was very planned out and it would have been very different if the Soviets had exposed it.

Whether it's Russians or Bolivians who exposed this latest scandal isn't as important as the contents of what was exposed. The MSM is playing follow the leader in who can more vocally bitch about the Ruskies while the contents of the emails aren't discussed as deeply as they should be be.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby OP ED » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:00 am

That's because the content of the emails is boring and unsurprising
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:12 am

Things have gotten so insane that Pat Buchanan now looks like a voice of reason.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/w ... er/ri15861

If Putin Is Behind the DNC Leak, He Deserves a Pulitzer
"The new party line: The Russians did it! ... Purpose: Change the subject. Redirect the media away from the DNC conspiracy to sabotage Sanders’ campaign."

Patrick J. Buchanan Subscribe to Patrick J. Buchanan(Buchanan.org) Subscribe to Buchanan.org21 hours ago | 4,852 47

He's one step ahead of you...
Waving off the clerics who had come to administer last rites, Voltaire said:

“All my life I have ever made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies look ridiculous.’ And God granted it.”
The tale of the thieved emails at the Democratic National Committee is just too good to be true.

For a year, 74-year-old Socialist Bernie Sanders has been saying that, under DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the party has been undercutting his campaign and hauling water for Hillary Clinton.

From the 19,200 emails dumped the weekend before Clinton’s coronation, it appears the old boy is not barking mad. The deck was stacked; the referees were in the tank; the game was rigged.

For four decades, some of us have wondered what Jim McCord, security man at CREEP, and his four Cubans were looking for in DNC Chair Larry O’Brien’s office at the Watergate. Now it makes sense.

Among the lovely schemes the DNC leaders worked up to gut Sanders in Christian communities of West Virginia and Kentucky, was to tell these good folks that Sanders doesn’t even believe that there is a God. He’s not even an agnostic; he’s an atheist.

The idea was broached by DNC chief financial officer Brad Marshall in an email to DNC chief executive officer Amy Dacey:

“Does [Bernie] believe in a God. He has skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and atheist.”
Dacey emailed back, “Amen.”

In 1960, John F. Kennedy went before the Houston ministers to assert the right of a Catholic to be president of the United States. Is the “Marshall Plan,” to quietly spread word Bernie Sanders is a godless atheist, now acceptable politics in the party of Barack Obama?

If Marshall and Dacey are still around at week’s end, we will know.

The WikiLeaks dump came Friday night. By Sunday, Clinton’s crowd had unleashed the mechanical rabbit, and the press hounds were dutifully chasing it. The new party line: The Russians did it!

Clinton campaign chief Robert Mook told ABC, “experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke in to the DNC, took all these emails, and now they are leaking them out through the Web sites. … some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.”
Monday, Clinton chairman John Podesta said there is a “kind of bromance going on” between Trump and Vladimir Putin. Campaign flack Brian Fallon told CNN, “There is a consensus among experts that it is indeed Russia that is behind this hack of the DNC.”

Purpose: Change the subject. Redirect the media away from the DNC conspiracy to sabotage Sanders’ campaign.

Will the press cooperate?

In 1971, The New York Times published secret documents from the Kennedy-Johnson administration on how America got involved in Vietnam. Goal: Discredit the war the Times had once supported, and undercut the war effort, now that Richard Nixon was president.

The documents, many marked secret, had been illicitly taken from Defense Department files, copied, and published by the Times.

America’s newspaper of record defended its actions by invoking “the people’s right to know” the secrets of their government.

Well, do not the people have “a right to know” of sordid schemes of DNC operatives to sink a presidential campaign?

Do the people not have a right to know that, in denying Sanders’ charges, the leadership of the DNC was lying to him, lying to the party, and lying to the country?

What did Clinton know of Wasserman Schultz’s complicity in DNC cheating in the presidential campaign, and when did she know it?

For publishing stolen Defense Department secrets, the Pentagon Papers, the Times got a Pulitzer Prize.

If the Russians were helpful in bringing to the attention of the American people the anti-democratic business being done at the DNC, perhaps the Russians deserve similar recognition.

By the Times’ standard of 1971, maybe Putin deserves a Pulitzer.

Undeniably, if the Russians or any foreign actors are interfering in U.S. presidential elections, we ought to know it, and stop it.

But who started all this?

Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. has used cyberwarfare to sabotage centrifuges in the Iranian nuclear plant in Natanz. We have backed “color-coded” revolutions in half a dozen countries from Serbia to Ukraine to Georgia — to dump rulers and regimes we do not like, all in the name of democracy.

Unsurprisingly, today, Russia, China, Egypt and even Israel are shutting down or booting out NGOs associated with the United States, and hacking into websites of U.S. institutions.

We were the first “experts” to play this game. Now others know how to play it. We reap what we sow.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:11 am

He sounded like a voice of reason during the run up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I was like how the fuck am I agreeing with Buchanan? But he made a lot of sense.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby stefano » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:15 pm

I like Masha Gessen.

Masha Gessen wrote:But a lack of imagination is not an argument: it’s a limitation. It is essential to recognize this limitation and try to overcome it. That is a difficult and often painful thing to do.


Nordic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:28 am wrote:I am surprised people here are falling for this.

Are you really? Just lately people here have argued that the scheduled flight from Johannesburg to Sydney might not actually be a real thing, and that the Nice attack was a hoax. As I said yesterday, this is pretty far from being the worst conspiracy theory ever. (That might, incidentally, be a fun thread in the Lounge - I reckon the one about the Beatles never existing is a contender.)

Anyway there are two or more conspiracy theories here that need to be kept distinct:
1. Russian intelligence released the DNC emails
2. Trump is a Putin agent
...and variants in between those.

1. is very plausible, I'll believe it if any firm evidence shows up. None has, and I'm agnostic about it, but there's nothing far-fetched about it. Weren't you convinced, Nordic, that Western governments somehow engineered the Mossack Fonseca hack? How's this different? The Russians would rather Trump got in than Clinton, and there's nothing stupid about thinking the FSB could hack the servers, or that it thought dumping the emails would serve Russia's interests. But 1 doesn't entail or imply 2. I mean there doesn't need to be any contact or even good will between Trump and Putin personally for 1 to happen. And it's not like Putin personally runs every aspect of Russian intelligence or government, is it?

Nordic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:28 am wrote:This has the classic, indeed cliched, earmarks of the plutocracy' reaction to any big story that implicates them:

Distract from what the evidence being released by creating g a NEW STORY about the source of the evidence itself.

The standard MO.
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They have completely shifted the story from the emails and the corruption itself to "PUTIN IS TRYING TO OVERTHROW AMERICA VIA TRUMP".

Well they would, wouldn't they? That still makes no difference to the truth of the theory, though. You're talking about the reaction to the leak, not the leak.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby brekin » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:52 pm

82_28 wrote:He sounded like a voice of reason during the run up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I was like how the fuck am I agreeing with Buchanan? But he made a lot of sense.


PB is an evil genius, and likeable in a Austin Powers villain sort of way. I'd much rather be stuck on a plane with him than most other political analysts and wonks. His analysis is usually very astute, it is just his various "remedies" usually go to extremes. But it isn't anything that most people in the beltway I imagine don't know aren't future or current stealth policy. Which is funny then because this DNC flap is neither surprising nor shocking nor unanticipated. Everyone in the DNC would benefit from Hilary as president, not just ideologically or prestige wise but probably job wise as well, would lose if Trump was, or if too much energy was put into Bernie's Charge of the Light Brigade. Not right, not fair, but just realpolitik. I am more than a little surprised at the surprise of those that back third party candidates acting as parasitic hosts inside the two parties when the established parties try to maintain control. And the four most damning emails seem pretty tepid and honestly just work product musings, not the orchestration of a sinister program:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging ... d=40852448

Yes, the worst one is about his faith, but that is something that would come up if he actually got the nomination and would have been hammered at later with much higher stakes, the rest just seem like ruing that he and his campaign are disorganized fuck ups and barely Dems. I'm sure the RNC's emails about Trump are as bad or worse, they were much more vocal about their displeasure and cheating hearts.

I think this is just a way to embarrass and divide the democrats and further isolate and radicalize the sanderites. And put people on the scent that Trump's wants to build his next tower on Moscow on the Hudson.

Look at the latest from Trump on Putin and Russia. This type of rhetoric seems so staged for prime time that it almost has to be.

Trump: Vlad, Vlad, you gotta let me say you called Obama a N*****.
Putin: Da, da, whatevs.
Trump: It will be great, the slobs at home understand that talk. And I'll say that you gonna have to respect me. Ok? Thats ok?
Putin: Da, da, Donnie, you just break NATO, and I will respect you in the morning.

Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/ ... index.html

Doral, Florida (CNN)Donald Trump called on Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's email on Wednesday.
"Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press," Trump said during a news conference in Florida.

Shortly after his event ended, Trump repeated his call on Twitter.
"If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!" Trump tweeted.
Clinton's campaign said Trump's comments amounted to encouraging "a foreign power to conduct espionage."
"This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent," said Hillary for America senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan. "That's not hyperbole, those are just the facts. This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue."
Trump also suggested during his news conference that Russian President Vladimir Putin's lack of respect for the U.S. prompted him to once call President Barack Obama "the N word." There are no published reports to back up Trump's claim about Putin's use of the racially derogatory term.
"I was shocked. Number one, he doesn't like him. Number two, he doesn't respect him," Trump said.

He called Russia's potential involvement in the hack another sign of Russia's "disrespect for our country."
Trump said U.S.-Russia relations would be better under his presidency than if Clinton ascended to the Oval Office, saying he would treat Putin "firmly," but would seek to bolster ties between the U.S. and Russia.
"He will respect me," Trump said.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby NeonLX » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:51 pm

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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:33 pm

Ok. Just woke up and got the news above.

Dusting off a new (old) theory now:

How that Hillary's been installed as the official Dem candidate .... Is Trump's job now to deliberately lose?

Even Trump isn't so stupid he would say such a dumb-ass thing.

WTF. Is he trying to get arrested now?

I'm just gonna sit back and grab the popcorn. Election Day I'm voting for Stein. This is just too bizarre.

Oh and can someone tell me how this is such a great moment for women? I have a 20 year old girl and I suppose I can tell her now that she can achieve anything she wants. As long as she marries the right man.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Rory » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:02 pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe ... gn-w430814

Fraud. The byword of her campaign.

As is sadly the case with most political stories these days, whether or not you care about the so-called "DNC leak" probably depends on which candidate you supported in the primaries.

If you supported Hillary Clinton, it probably won't bother you that the Democratic National Committee is revealed in these documents to have essentially acted as an arm of the Clinton campaign during the contested primary season.

Most people guessed at this anyway. But it wasn't until these documents were dumped last week under mysterious circumstances that the extent to which the party both advocated for Hillary and against her opponent Bernie Sanders was made plain.

Nowhere is the discrepancy on greater display than in an episode involving the DNC's reaction to a May 2nd article by Politico reporters Ken Vogel and Isaac Arnsdorf, which itself pointed at a backdoor advantage for the Clinton campaign.

The exchanges over this Politico story were barely mentioned in the wake of the DNC leak, except by right-wing media that shortsightedly dinged Vogel for submitting a draft of his piece of the DNC before publication, suggesting "collusion."

Vogel maybe shouldn't have sent a whole copy for review, but his intent wasn't to give the DNC or Hillary a break – far from it. It seems pretty clear that he wanted to make sure he didn't miss with a piece full of aggressive, original reporting that took on a very powerful target.

In the piece, headlined "Clinton fundraising leaves little for state parties," Vogel and Arnsdorf discovered an anomaly in Federal Election Commission filings.

A joint fundraising committee called the Hillary Victory Fund, ostensibly designed to funnel money from rich donors to local party committees, had in fact been used as a cut-out to funnel money back to the national party and the Clinton campaign.

As an example, take couples who paid or raised $353,400 to sit at a table with George Clooney, a sum that Clooney himself called an "obscene amount of money." The figure represented the maximum allowable donation given the structure of the Hillary Victory Fund, a joint venture between the Clinton campaign, the DNC and 32 state committees.

Donors can give a maximum of $5,400 per election cycle to Hillary's campaign, $33,400 per year to the DNC, and $10,000 per year to each of the 32 state committees in the fund.

If you assumed that the Clooney guests had already given their maximum $5,400 to the Clinton campaign, that left just over $353,000 for the DNC and the committees.

But Vogel and Arnsdorf found that less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by the Hillary Victory Fund went to the state committees.

Actually it's better to say that only 1 percent of the money "remained" with the committees. In talking to state sources, the Politico reporters found that large sums of money would sometimes appear briefly in state committee coffers, and disappear just as quickly, and then just as quickly be deposited into DNC accounts.

The money sometimes came and went before state officials even knew it was there. Politico noted that the Victory Fund treasurer, Beth Jones, is also the COO of the Clinton campaign.

This was problematic at the very least because large sums of money were going to the DNC that came from donors who in many cases had already given the maximum amount to the DNC.

Vogel-Arnsdorf also noted that of the $23.3 million spent directly by the fund, most "had gone toward expenses that appear to have directly benefited Clinton's campaign, including $2.8 million for 'salary and overhead' and $8.6 million for web advertising that mostly looks indistinguishable from Clinton campaign ads."

The context was significant. Technically, Sanders raised more money than Hillary Clinton in each of the first three months of this year. Sanders early in the year also had a massive advantage over Clinton among small donors, raising $67 million from them through January 31st, compared to less than $22 million for Clinton during the same period.

What the Vogel-Arnsdorf story pointed to, then, was the Clinton campaign – with the aid of the DNC – using large-money donors like Clooney's friends to get around a fundraising shortfall among small donors.

This is also significant because one of Clinton's campaign talking points throughout emphasized that she was aiding down-ballot Democrats, while Sanders was not.

Even the likes of Clooney thought the money was going to the committees. "The overwhelming amount of the money that we're raising," the actor told Meet the Press, "is not going to Hillary to run for president, it's going to the down-ticket."

Politico's "1 percent" report put all of this in question.

In the leaked DNC documents, we see remarkable exchanges between high-ranking officials, talking about how best to deal with the potential scandal.

In the most bizarre and darkly comic moment, DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda emails his colleagues about which local Democratic official to put on Morning Joe to rebut the story.

Miranda asks DNC Deputy Policy Director for State Party Programs Maureen Garde, then-DNC National Political Director Raul Alvillar, and DNC CEO Amy Dacey if they should put Indiana State Chair John Zody on the show.

But Miranda had a problem. The Vogel-Arnsdorf story had quoted a state official and a party operative who were pissed about their disappearing money.

Since those complaining were unnamed, they could be anyone. Even Zody! In which case, putting him on TV might not be a good idea.

Miranda, anxious to know if Zody is "in a good place" on the issue, writes (emphasis mine):

"From: Miranda, Luis
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:33 PM
To: Maureen Garde; Alvillar, Raul; Dacey, Amy
Subject: FW: Can we use John Zody for TV tomorrow?

"Do we know if the Indiana State Chair is in a good place on the Victory Fund before we book them? Any concerns with helping them get on air? Given the Sanders claim of money laundering I don't want to help book if they're one of the parties that are complaining off the record."

To which Alvillar responds:

"I just talked to him last week. He didn't mention anything to me. Let us check really quick."

What this exchange shows is that the DNC officials, hilariously, didn't know which local chiefs they'd screwed to the point of off-the-record revolt with their Victory Fund maneuvers.

Later, they discussed how to deal not with Politico, but the fact-checking site PolitiFact. The site had earlier rated George Clooney's claim about most of the money going down-ticket "mostly true."

But after the Vogel-Arnsdorf story, PolitiFact reporter Eugene Emery was understandably exercised and reached out to Miranda for an explanation, hinting that he was considering re-doing his rating.

The leaked papers show the DNC officials consulting with the Clinton campaign about how to deal with the meddlesome Emery.

"I spent about half hour on the phone with Gene pushing back on the Politico story," an exasperated Miranda writes, to Clinton campaign spokesman Josh Schwerin.

Miranda added: "He's hung up on the notion that if a state party chair wants to keep some of that money, they don't get to decide."

Schwerin responds, "He seems to think the DNC has nothing to do with electing down ballot Dems which is just crazy."

In fact, as he says this week, "crazy" Gene Emery was "hung up" on a very reasonable question.

"I just kept asking them," says Emery, "what are the odds that all of these committees would get this money and turn right around and send it all back to the DNC? They wouldn't keep a thousand dollars? Coffee money even?"

The campaign never really answered that question, and still hasn't.

In any case, Schwerin later went on to write: "I'm speaking with the editor tomorrow before they post anything."

To its credit, PolitiFact deflected the "pushback" and ultimately downgraded their rating of Clooney's claim to "half-true."

What's patently obvious from these emails is that there was virtually no distinction between DNC and Clinton campaign officials when it came to the handling of this media problem. They were all on the same team, working in tandem to try to talk down the likes of Vogel and Emery.

Meanwhile, the Sanders campaign is treated as an enemy. After Vogel's story came out, Sanders campaign chief Jeff Weaver sent DNC Treasurer Andrew Tobias a letter asking him to sign a petition calling for the state committees to receive "all the money allowable" from the Victory Fund.

Weaver, with pointed irony, signs his letter:

"In solidarity,
Jeff Weaver"

Tobias circulates this letter to other DNC staffers, saying, "Seems awfully unfair and inaccurate?"

Soon after, communications chief Miranda circulates a note to staffers asking them to search "if there's any coverage of Bernie Sanders camp calling the victory fund 'money laundering.'"

As was the case with DNC officials teaming up to look for a negative "narrative" about how Bernie Sanders "never got his act together," and pondering the possibility of a negative story about his religion, the DNC actively searched for a negative angle on the Sanders reaction to the Politico piece within hours after its release. They focused on the use of the term "money laundering."

In fact, the use of the term first came from Democratic Party state fundraising sources in the Politico story.

As Vogel and Arnsdorf wrote, "[state fundraisers] worry that participating states… could see very little return investment from the DNC or Clinton's campaign, and are essentially acting as money laundering conduits for them."

When the Sanders campaign put out a press release citing those quotes, the DNC complained that the Sanders camp was jumping the shark in its language, and pointed reporters toward a legal expert who pooh-poohed the notion that the law had been broken.

By evening that day, news outlets were describing this not as an exposé about the DNC and Clinton, but as an inside-baseball fight between the Sanders and Clinton camps.

"Clinton and Sanders spar over joint fundraising efforts," wrote one CNN headline.

That CNN story even added language that "a Clinton campaign aide refuted some of Politico's report Monday." This was despite the fact that the "refuting" amounted to a promise that more money would reach the state parties in upcoming months.

What does it all mean? If you're a Clinton fan, probably nothing.

To anyone else, it shows that the primary season was very far from a fair fight. The Sanders camp was forced to fund all of its own operations, while the Clinton campaign could essentially use the entire Democratic Party structure as adjunct staff. The DNC not only wasn't neutral, but helped with oppo research against Sanders and media crisis management.

DNC chief Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign as a result of this mess, which exposed to Sanders voters the extent to which they were viewed organizationally as annoyances to be managed. The immediate question going forward for the party is whether the two camps can put aside their differences in time to defeat the more-than-a-little-scary Donald Trump.

But down the road, someone will have to address the problem of a Democratic Party structure that effectively had no internal advocates for a full 43 percent of its voters. As we've seen with the Trump episode on the other side, people don't much like having to fight against the party claiming to represent them.

Bernie Sanders didn't win the nomination, but he won the argument, shaping key Clinton policies and the future of the party. Watch here.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:13 pm

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Against his better judgement, one of my brothers logged into Facebook and attempted to comment on the primary election frauds and DNC shenanigans detailed above.
(thankfully, I don't have an f'ing FB account. My head would have surely exploded by now if I did)

Not even the Rolling Stone link above would deter the delusional Clinton Followers as they twist their tongues attempting to justify/explain away their candidate's actions.
(I get it -- no one wants to see the man with orange-hued cotton candy hair presiding in the White House; those that do are either in denial of what he actually represents or are simply prepared to SPITE vote for Trump as a big "F U" to the establishment... woe to the citizenry when a man such as Trump is presented as the alternative to the establishment. We're being TROLLED hard this year, folks, more so than usual.)
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby OP ED » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:37 pm

Nordic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:33 pm wrote:Ok. Just woke up and got the news above.

Dusting off a new (old) theory now:

How that Hillary's been installed as the official Dem candidate .... Is Trump's job now to deliberately lose?

Even Trump isn't so stupid he would say such a dumb-ass thing.

WTF. Is he trying to get arrested now?

I'm just gonna sit back and grab the popcorn. Election Day I'm voting for Stein. This is just too bizarre.

Oh and can someone tell me how this is such a great moment for women? I have a 20 year old girl and I suppose I can tell her now that she can achieve anything she wants. As long as she marries the right man.


I think you have that exactly backwards
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby Nordic » Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:46 am

Which part of my comment do I have backwards? I'm genuinely curious as I just don't understand what you're saying, sorry.
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Re: Worst conspiracy theory ever.

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:23 am

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“We as a species have the choice to continue to develop our bodies and brains in a healthy upward trajectory, or we can follow the Western example of recent decades and intentionally poison our population with genetically altered food, pharmaceuticals, vaccinations, and fast food that should be classified as a dangerous, addictive drug.”


He further described the average government-controlled Westerner as an

“intensively vaccinated borderline autistic fat man slumped in front of a screen battling a high-fructose corn syrup comedown.”


While his sentiments will raise the hackles of the average American, the fact is, Russian President Vladimir Putin is right.

In response to the population’s efforts of securing healthy, nutrient-enriched food that does not undermine the health of the planet, Putin is giving away land (i.e., for free) to people willing to farm using biodynamic, organic and sustainable technologies. Putin has already put a stop to the production of all GMO-containing foods, which the international community perceived as a major step in the fight against multinational corporations like Monsanto and Syngenta. His long-range vision is for Russia to become the world’s “leading exporter” of non-GMO foods produced using “ecologically clean” practices.

No Wonder the knives are out for Putin

The above in its entirety other than the last sentence is excerpted from the following link , which is well worth a read;

https://www.brucelipton.com/newsletter/ ... s-may-2016
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