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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:12 pm

Trump’s Wink Wink to ‘Second Amendment People’

Thomas L. Friedman AUG. 9, 2016


And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin got assassinated.

His right-wing opponents just kept delegitimizing him as a “traitor” and “a Nazi” for wanting to make peace with the Palestinians and give back part of the Land of Israel. Of course, all is fair in politics, right? And they had God on their side, right? They weren’t actually telling anyone to assassinate Rabin. That would be horrible.

But there are always people down the line who don’t hear the caveats. They just hear the big message: The man is illegitimate, the man is a threat to the nation, the man is the equivalent of a Nazi war criminal. Well, you know what we do with people like that, don’t you? We kill them.

And that’s what the Jewish extremist Yigal Amir did to Rabin. Why not? He thought he had permission from a whole segment of Israel’s political class.

In September, I wrote a column warning that Donald Trump’s language toward immigrants could end up inciting just this kind of violence. I never in my wildest dreams, though, thought he’d actually — in his usual coy, twisted way — suggest that Hillary Clinton was so intent on taking away the Second Amendment right to bear arms that maybe Second Amendment enthusiasts could do something to stop her. Exactly what? Oh, Trump left that hanging.

“Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment,” Trump said at a rally in Wilmington, N.C., on Tuesday. “By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Of course Trump’s handlers, recognizing just how incendiary were his words, immediately denied that he was suggesting that gun owners do anything harmful toward Clinton. Oh my God, never. Trump, they insisted, was just referring to the “power of unification.” You know those Second Amendment people, they just love to get on buses and vote together..


But that is not what he said. What he said was ambiguous — slightly menacing, but with just enough plausible deniability that, of course, he was not suggesting an assassination. Again, it’s just like the Rabin story. When I wrote about this issue back in the fall it was to urge readers to see the new movie “Rabin: The Last Day,” by the Israeli director Amos Gitai, timed for the 20th anniversary of Rabin’s assassination.

As The Times’s Isabel Kershner reported from Israel when the film was released, it “is unambiguous about the forces it holds responsible” — the extremist rabbis and militant settlers who branded Rabin a traitor, the right-wing politicians who rode the “wave of toxic incitement against Mr. Rabin as they campaigned against the Oslo accords,” and the security services that failed to heed the warnings that the incitement could get out of hand.

“Mr. Rabin is almost invisible in the first two hours of the film,” she reported. “Benjamin Netanyahu, the opposition leader at the time, is shown in now-infamous historical footage addressing a feverish right-wing rally from a balcony in Jerusalem’s Zion Square, as protesters below shouted for the death of Rabin — the ‘traitor’ — and held up photomontage posters of him dressed in an SS uniform.”

Mr. Netanyahu, now prime minister, insisted he never saw the posters or heard the curses.

I am sure that is what Trump’s supporters will say, too. But Trump knows what he is doing, and it is so dangerous in today’s world. In the last year we have seen a spate of lone-wolf acts of terrorism in America and Europe by men and women living on the fringes of society, some with petty criminal records, often with psychological problems, often described as “loners,” and almost always deeply immersed in fringe jihadist social networks that heat them up. They hear the signal in the noise. They hear the inspiration and the permission to do God’s work. They are not cooled by unfinished sentences.

After all, an informal Trump adviser on veteran affairs, Al Baldasaro, a Republican state representative from New Hampshire, already declared that Clinton should be “shot for treason” for her handling of the Benghazi terrorist attack.

During the Republican convention, with its repeated chants about Clinton of “lock her up,” a U.S.-based columnist for Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Chemi Shalev, wrote: “Like the extreme right in Israel, many Republicans conveniently ignore the fact that words can kill. There are enough people with a tendency for violence that cannot distinguish between political stagecraft and practical exhortations to rescue the country by any available means. If anyone has doubts, they could use a short session with Yigal Amir, Yitzhak Rabin’s assassin, who was inspired by the rabid rhetoric hurled at the Israeli prime minister in the wake of the Oslo accords.”

People are playing with fire here, and there is no bigger flamethrower than Donald Trump. Forget politics; he is a disgusting human being. His children should be ashamed of him. I only pray that he is not simply defeated, but that he loses all 50 states so that the message goes out across the land — unambiguously, loud and clear: The likes of you should never come this way again.

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Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:21 pm

I am troubled by the demonization of Russia.

Russia has universal health care and the largest number of medical personnel and facilities per capita than any country in the world though far from perfect.

Tax rates are lowest 2nd only to UAE in modern nations.

Education is Russia is free, guaranteed by Constitution albeit competitive, and Russia has the largest university educated population by % in the world.

Russia has almost no foreign debt.

Putin is popular domestically and Russia has made great strides since 1999 with a systematic downturn in 2008.

Russia has a long and storied history and culture and was critical to the defeat of Axis countries in WWII.

Russia is also far from a perfect country especially regards to social issues that have only reversed course in the West over the last 50 years and still ongoing struggle.

A hot war with Russia would be competitive and Russia has alliances with many large and powerful (or not so powerful) countries such as China, India, Iran, and Brazil.

The USA and NATO have been nibbling at Russia's borders and interfering in internal politics since 1991. Russia is the big prize for the neoconservatives as Russia is the most natural resource rich country in the world by far.

I am all for demonizing Trump but perhaps best not to over emphasize a nefarious Russia backing Trump. We do look foolish as a nation that Trump could be seriously considered for POTUS.
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Postby Perelandra » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:19 pm

^Good one, cheers.
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Postby SonicG » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:25 pm

I don't think I have ever heard the name Rocky Suhayda and google mostly returns results about his recent Trump "endorsement"...But the American Nazi Party must be full of government agents, no? Rocky seems to have very little background info and emerged post-911. Checking the cesspool, I see that fellow travelers claim he has been active in the "movement" for decades... The ANP website is straight out of 2001 also...

American Nazi Party leader sees 'a real opportunity' with a Trump presidency
Chairman Rocky Suhayda says on radio show that a Donald Trump presidency could give American Nazis the chance to build a ‘pro-white’ political caucus

The leader of the American Nazi Party has said the election of Donald Trump as president would present “a real opportunity for people like white nationalists” to start “acting intelligently”, with the aim of building a mainstream political presence similar to that of the Congressional Black Caucus.

“It’s kinda hard to go and call us bigots,” said party chairman Rocky Suhayda, “if we don’t go around and act like a bigot.”

BuzzFeed first reported the comments, which were made on Suhayda’s radio broadcast last month.

In the broadcast, Suhayda addressed the need for his party to organise and act respectably. “Now, if Trump does win, OK, it’s going to be a real opportunity for people like white nationalists, acting intelligently to build upon that,” he said. “You know how you have the black political caucus and whatnot in Congress, and, everything, to start building on something like that, OK.

“It doesn’t have to be anti, like the movement’s been for decades, so much as it has to be pro-white. It’s kinda hard to go and call us bigots, if we don’t go around and act like a bigot. That’s what the movement should contemplate. All right.”

Suhayda predicted Trump would defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election. “I think it’s gonna surprise the enemy, because, I think that they feel that the white working class, especially the male portion of the working class, and with him his female counterparts have basically thrown in the towel,” Suhayda said. “Given up hope of any politician again standing up for their interests.”

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Postby SonicG » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:32 pm

Slightly related...

Trump’s head of black outreach: Rally-goers blurt N-word to show ‘frustration with the system’

Ashley Bell, Donald Trump’s newly-appointed director of African-American outreach, said on Wednesday that he did not intend to excuse the use of the N-word and other epithets at campaign rallies by suggesting that it was only a reflection of supporters’ “frustration with the system.”

On Wednesday, CNN’s Chris Cuomo asked Bell if racial slurs and hateful rhetoric at Trump’s rallies would make it more difficult to bring aboard black voters.

Cuomo pointed to a recent uncensored New York Times video of Trump supporters which, according to the paper, “provides eye-opening examples of how Trump supporters often express their views in angry and provocative ways. As viewers are alerted before the video starts, it contains vitriolic language and racial and ethnic slurs.”

In a clip of the video presented to Bell on Wednesday, a Trump supporter could be heard yelling “Fuck that n****r” in reference to President Barack Obama.

“How do you explain to a non-white voter that this atmosphere that is often — not once, not twice, not three times — is often in play at Trump events?” the CNN host wondered. “That that’s nothing for them to be worried about, that this is your home?”

Bell asserted that Democratic rallies included “frustrated young black voters, members of a different movement upset at the Clintons because of the failed criminal justice policies of the ’90s. I heard a lot of them frustrated saying a lot of awful things.”

“But that’s not a reflection of Hillary Clinton’s campaign as much as it is the frustration of America, he continued. “The frustration on both sides — black and white are frustrated with the system.”

“So you can’t just look at that group and say that’s a reflection on Donald Trump,” Bell concluded. “It’s a reflection of the frustration. The reason he’s our nominee is because people are frustrated. Because they don’t want another insider, another secretary of the status quo.”

Update: In a statement to Raw Story on Wednesday, Bell said that the idea “that a black person would not condemn the N word is offensive and ridiculous.”

“During my interview this morning on CNN, I was not in studio,” Bell explained. “I was via satellite and could not see what was being played live. The audio was bleeped out on the clip. All that could be heard were angry voices. My comments were about that frustration and the frustration of many Americans with the status quo.”

A spokesperson for Bell also clarified to Raw Story that Bell condemns epithets targeting Hispanics and any other racial slurs in the New York Times video.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:41 pm

PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:21 pm wrote:I am troubled by the demonization of Russia.

Russia has universal health care and the largest number of medical personnel and facilities per capita than any country in the world though far from perfect.

Tax rates are lowest 2nd only to UAE in modern nations.

Education is Russia is free, guaranteed by Constitution albeit competitive, and Russia has the largest university educated population by % in the world.

Russia has almost no foreign debt.

Putin is popular domestically and Russia has made great strides since 1999 with a systematic downturn in 2008.

Russia has a long and storied history and culture and was critical to the defeat of Axis countries in WWII.

Russia is also far from a perfect country especially regards to social issues that have only reversed course in the West over the last 50 years and still ongoing struggle.

A hot war with Russia would be competitive and Russia has alliances with many large and powerful (or not so powerful) countries such as China, India, Iran, and Brazil.

The USA and NATO have been nibbling at Russia's borders and interfering in internal politics since 1991. Russia is the big prize for the neoconservatives as Russia is the most natural resource rich country in the world by far.

I am all for demonizing Trump but perhaps best not to over emphasize a nefarious Russia backing Trump. We do look foolish as a nation that Trump could be seriously considered for POTUS.



You know Russia/Putin were, I think treated fairly well here before this whole Trump thing came up...so fairly that Search and I were labeled Putin lovers not that long ago...in the Ukraine and Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 threads

now in this thread I've been called a neo con....Nordic has since apologized

I wasn't sure if you were talking about here or just in general
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Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:53 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:41 pm wrote:
PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:21 pm wrote:I am troubled by the demonization of Russia.

Russia has universal health care and the largest number of medical personnel and facilities per capita than any country in the world though far from perfect.

Tax rates are lowest 2nd only to UAE in modern nations.

Education is Russia is free, guaranteed by Constitution albeit competitive, and Russia has the largest university educated population by % in the world.

Russia has almost no foreign debt.

Putin is popular domestically and Russia has made great strides since 1999 with a systematic downturn in 2008.

Russia has a long and storied history and culture and was critical to the defeat of Axis countries in WWII.

Russia is also far from a perfect country especially regards to social issues that have only reversed course in the West over the last 50 years and still ongoing struggle.

A hot war with Russia would be competitive and Russia has alliances with many large and powerful (or not so powerful) countries such as China, India, Iran, and Brazil.

The USA and NATO have been nibbling at Russia's borders and interfering in internal politics since 1991. Russia is the big prize for the neoconservatives as Russia is the most natural resource rich country in the world by far.

I am all for demonizing Trump but perhaps best not to over emphasize a nefarious Russia backing Trump. We do look foolish as a nation that Trump could be seriously considered for POTUS.



You know Russia/Putin were, I think treated fairly well here before this whole Trump thing came up...so fairly that Search and I were labeled Putin lovers not that long ago...in the Ukraine and Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 threads

now in this thread I've been called a neo con....Nordic has since apologized

I wasn't sure if you were talking about here or just in general


Being as I have watched you post on various sites for over a decade, I know you are not a neo-con SLAD and are an anti-war and very humane poster.

My intent was a gentle beware of not falling in line and following a narrative that over demonizes Russia and Putin.

Linking Trump strongly with Putin and Russia weakens the assholery and global unworthiness that is Trump and serves agendas that have nothing to do with Trump.

Russia is worthy of respect. Trump is not worthy of respect.
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:21 am

..quite an interesting article on narcissism - that appears to be the abiding element in the Donald's psychological inventory....


“Dangerous people, from playground bullies to warmongering dictators, consist mostly of those who have highly favorable views of themselves,”



The Man Who Destroyed America’s Ego
How a rebel psychologist challenged one of the 20th century’s biggest—and most dangerous—ideas.

https://medium.com/matter/the-man-who-destroyed-americas-ego-94d214257b5#.kfv3n9o5u
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Postby Blue » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:13 am

Being as I have watched you post on various sites for over a decade, I know you are not a neo-con SLAD and are an anti-war and very humane poster.

My intent was a gentle beware of not falling in line and following a narrative that over demonizes Russia and Putin.

Linking Trump strongly with Putin and Russia weakens the assholery and global unworthiness that is Trump and serves agendas that have nothing to do with Trump.

Russia is worthy of respect. Trump is not worthy of respect.


I totally agree PufPuf93. I'm quite surprised at how many here have fallen for the Putin+Trump=WWIII script. Perplexing.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:55 am

I think the very term "WWIII" is stupid because it presupposes a "sequel" to the "first two". It's a fucking sham and I feel like it comes from newsreel movie industry that took hold right around the same time. What possesses a "civilization" to go to war with itself? I think we know the answer to that question as per one Smedley Butler and secondly Dwight Eisenhower.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:10 am

A Shadow War in 150 Countries


How many more countries would it take to call it WWlll?
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Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:11 am

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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:34 am

U.S. Media Blames Putin Conspiracy for Homegrown Trump Phenomenon

Trump is whichever villain the media wants him to be.
By Adam Johnson / AlterNet July 20, 2016


Donald Trump is the media’s favorite excuse to bash Official U.S. Enemies. His Rorschach politics that shift almost weekly allows overworked writers to project onto Trump whatever traits they need to make an analogy stick (and deadline met).

Over the past year Trump has been Nicolas Maduro, Joseph Stalin, Kim Jong-Il, Saddam Hussein, an African dictator, Bashar al-Assad, Bernie Sanders, Fidel Castro, Ayatollah Khomeini, Hugo Chavez (a dozen times!), Mao Zedong, a Chinese communist (present day), a Chinese communist (1980s), Caligula, Rodrigo Duterte, Jeremy Corbyn, Pinochet, Norse god Loki, Brexit, Napoleon, Barry Goldwater, Mussolini, Nero, Andrew Jackson, Voldemort, Groucho Marx, Adolf Hitler, Moqtada al-Sadr, Joseph Goebbels, L. Ron Hubbard, King George III, Richard Nixon, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Basically the entire cast of Game of Thrones, Batman vs. Superman, and Donald Trump himself. Twice.

The Daily Beast alone has accused Trump of simultaneously being a communist, a fascist, an Iraqi Shia cleric, an Iranian Shia cleric, a Republican president from the '70s, a Russian president from the present, a Roman emperor, and a cult leader.

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Put simply, Trump is whomever we need him to be.

And the most popular—and geopolitically convenient—person pundits need him to be is Russian “strongman” Vladimir Putin. The liberal hawks who comprise a great deal of the Democratic and media establishment love nothing more than to use far-right boogeymen like Trump as a means of bashing foreign enemies, and Putin satisfies this impulse with little effort or imagination. Trump bad, Putin bad, both vain and ideologically unpredictable, the takes practically write themselves. Above all, the Trump-bashing as a means of mocking Official Enemies permits one to appear anti-fascist and anti-racist while still properly ingratiating oneself to the NatSec crowd. For careerist center-left pundits it’s a win/win with no downside; thus its ubiquity.

With regard to Putin, this trope has been taken one step further. Not only is Trump similar to Putin, he is now secretly plotting with him. This innuendo-laden take reached new lows with a Slate piece earlier this month by Franklin Foer, a fellow at the U.S. State Department-funded (see, guilt-by-association is fun) New America:

Putin’s Puppet: If the Russian president could design a candidate to undermine American interests—and advance his own—he’d look a lot like Donald Trump.

The entire premise of the piece relies on the paranoid assumption that Putin wants to "destroy the West":
Vladimir Putin has a plan for destroying the West—and that plan looks a lot like Donald Trump.
Wait, what? Putin may want to undermine the West. He may want to curb the expansion of NATO, but destroy it? Is he Magneto? This is the type of unhinged, over-the-top language that goes unchallenged when discussing the U.S.' favorite Eastern menace.

Note, the author never outright says Trump is actually “Putin’s puppet," only that they have been nice to each other in the past and Trump’s nominal lack of hostility toward Russia serves the interests of Putin. But the provocative headline and political attack ad-like scary black-and-white photos of a menacing Putin leering behind Trump let the reader's mind fill in the blanks. Indeed, if you’re trying to link two people who have never actually met, just photoshop them together. That’s how photojournalism works, right?

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The primary complaint of the piece is that Trump and some of his advisers have overlapping business interests in Russia. But this, of course, is true of Clinton with several countries. The problem isn’t the underlying issue of conflicts of interests (an otherwise serious problem), it’s who those conflicts are with. This is a political issue, not an ethical one, rendering Putin-Trump pearl-clutching arbitrary at best and hypocritical at worst.

Is it possible that Putin prefers Trump? Of course, it is. But the gap between other countries leaders liking a candidate and secretly controlling them is light years wide. On Monday, liberal hawk Jon Chait of New York Magazine took it one step further, asking the positively Alex Jones-esque question: “Is Donald Trump Working for Russia?”

The article went on to do what any YouTube conspiracy theory video does: make a lot of innuendo, show a few links and use a “hey, I’m just asking questions” framing. Chait doesn’t actually think Trump is working for Russia, but it doesn’t matter. Donald Trump wanted to take some bellicose language out of the RNC platform aimed at Russia and this is a gesture that can only be done by someone who is a secret FSB agent. Never mind that by removing support for lethal aid to the pro-U.S. Ukrainian government the RNC’s position is now exactly that of President Obama’s. Chait had Cold War paranoia to sow and a candidate to mock.

Huffington Post joined the “Putin controls Trump” drumbeat Tuesday with “The Real Winner at the GOP Convention Is Vladimir Putin,” co-authored by Akbar Shahid Ahmed who writes for the Global Post, a joint partnership between Huffington Post and the billionaire-funded pro-EU think tank Berggruen Institute:

Who’s to blame for the tensions between Putin and the West? Weak Europeans, for failing to deal with their continent’s problems, and President Barack Obama, for failing to make Putin respect him. Add in, of course, anyone who has a problem with Putin’s persistent support for the dictator of Syria, a man Trump sees as an “A”-grade leader despite his responsibility for the rise of the Islamic State group and the ongoing refugee crisis, and others who dispute Putin’s cleverly twisted depiction of American foreign policy.

First, it should be noted the link that supposedly shows Trump saying Assad is a “grade A” leader is 100% false. ABC is mixing up, either deliberately or accidentally, something Trump said about Putin, not Bashar al-Assad.

Here’s what ABC wrote:

"I think in terms of leadership, he's getting an A and our president is not doing so well," Trump said of al-Assad during an interview with Fox News in September.

And here’s what was actually said, as tweeted out by Fox News last September:

.@realDonaldTrump on Putin: "I think in terms of leadership he's getting an ‘A’ and our President is not doing so well." #OReillyFactor

While this “mix up” may seem relatively benign, it displays how little fact-checking or thoroughness goes on when one is using the Trump spectacle to fan the flames of Cold War rhetoric.

The piece went on to repeat a claim that Trump adviser Michael Flynn has “quite literally been on the payroll of Moscow” for taking a speaking fee from RT, a staunchly pro-Russian government cable network. By this standard, any pundit or journalist who has taken a speaking or appearance fee from RAND, Voice of America, the Urban Institute, New America Foundation, Brookings Institution or dozens of other think tanks and media outlets has “quite literally” been on the payroll of Washington since the U.S. government provides funds for these organizations. But it doesn’t matter since the same standards, as we know, don’t apply to both governments because only one is uniquely clever and sinister.

It’s important to be clear because this point will be lost on many: none of this is to defend Flynn or Putin or Trump because this trope isn’t really about any of them. It’s about policing foreign policy consensus and piling on anyone who comes close to deviating from it. Russia is an enemy of the U.S. and must be uniformly seen as such or those making gestures of rapprochement must be stooges or spooks.

Again, conspiracy theories that would never pass editorial muster are entirely routine when written about Official U.S. Enemies. One theory, casually repeated in a New York Times op-ed in September of last year, that the 1999 Moscow attacks were FSB false-flag attacks so Putin could have a pretext to invade Chechnya, sounds strangely similar to popular conspiracy theory stateside that would have one blackballed from proper company. American editorial standards when it comes to bashing Russia, it seems, are in direct proportion to the tensions between our two countries.

It bears repeating once more, for those who will invariably (and likely deliberately) misread this piece, this is not at all a defense of Putin, nor is it a defense of Trump, who is indeed a xenophobic, sexist, racist demagogue. But a secret plot by Russia is not needed for an American leader to possess such qualities. And the assumption that it is, just as with those who blamed Putin for Brexit, displays an arrogance and denialism on the part of Western media about their own countries’ faults. Certainly our otherwise tolerant and liberal political discourse could never breed such an extremist, right? No, clearly it must be a foreign influence.

Like delusional middle-class parents convinced their drug dealer son is being corrupted by hip hop, Western media needs Russia to explain away its inability to keep its own house in order. In this case the U.S.’ own well-documented history of racism, xenophobia and chauvinism that, inevitably, vomited out the Trump spectacle. Blaming this entirely homegrown problem on Putin is an all-too-convenient trope and one that isn’t any less convincing when couched in ostensibly liberal, pro-Democratic Party trappings.

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Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:00 am

^^^^^^^^
Good find SLAD.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:03 am

thanks for that and also your previous support ....very kind of you :lovehearts:
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