TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[seemslikeadream]

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally

[seemslikeadream]

Lawsuit: Trump’s NC campaign director pointed gun at aide
By Michael Biesecker and Jeff Horwitz | AP August 11 at 12:41 PM
WASHINGTON — A former paid worker for Donald Trump’s presidential bid has accused the campaign’s North Carolina state director of pointing a loaded pistol at him.

Vincent Bordini filed a civil lawsuit Wednesday in a North Carolina court against the Trump campaign and recent state director Earl Phillip. The lawsuit alleges assault and battery, seeking monetary damages for emotional distress. Bordini also says Trump’s national campaign leadership refused to address the February incident.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

[JackRiddler]

Is anyone here endorsing Trump? I think Agent Orange Cooper should stop being coy about it. Since his posts are endorsements, it doesn't really matter where he claims his vote/non-vote will go. It's okay, I don't think it's a banning offense. (Or maybe it is, because of the anti-sexism/anti-fascism rules? The former especially doesn't ever seem to get enforced.) Fact is you won't even get beat up too much in print, given that this thread has already been a 100+ page beating of the Kayfabe Hitler and his supporters.

Meanwhile, brekin's been engaging in the current "liberal," New Cold War brainwash attacks on Trump that backfire into endorsements. Is he "wobbly on Ukraine"!? Omigodnoway! At least Clinton ripped off Russia, rather than letting Russia rip off America?! Granted, he should have just helped Russia, and ripping them off contributed to Putin's rise, but what can you do?! We're tribal, join one or die! Same kind of logic can be applied in justifying all the dealings with the various jihadi militias and crazed dictators "we" first supported and later bombed. At least it was in America's interest? Which damned America would that be? Not mine!

SLAD, meanwhile, is mostly keeping an eye on what's essential. Not that she's not partial to this myth of how the strictly home-grown, all-American Trump phenomenon is a actually the product of Russophilia/Commie Puppetry and that he will be either the Great Peacemaker with (Nordic's version) or Vile Capitulator to (brekin's version) the good/evil Putin. As if he's going to do anything if elected other than be on TV every day telling you whom he really wants to punch next, and let the MIC run the foreign policy show.

But mostly SLAD sticks to the point, that he's openly and proudly racist and misogynist (with all the Nazi/Duke and MRA endorsements to add cred to it) and that he is daily issuing incitements to official, mob and/or freelance violence and hatred against imaginary enemies and assorted Others: Mexicans, Muslims, "liberals," journalists, protesters, the Chinapeople taking your stuff, and the urban youth who are supposedly currently burning down America's cities a la Nixon '68 (with the cop union endorsements to add credibility to the latter).

The answer to the establishment can't be the Kayfabe Hitler.

[PufPuf93]

Jack

Can you explain the Kayfabe Hitler reference?

What is Kayfabe?

I am prepared to be thought "slow".

[seemslikeadream]

the only thing I see about Trump and Russia is his eternal need to borrow money...it always comes down to money as far as Trump goes...and so goes his good friend Manafort and his connections with the Russian side in the Ukraine thing (must not like Victoria)....it's all about the money with them...god and country be damned...seems Trump has given up on his homeland because he can't get one more dime out of it.

if anything it's Putin that is using Trump...I don't think he's too fond of Victoria and her fascist friends handing out those cookies in the Ukraine ...probably left a bad taste in his mouth....maybe a bit cheeky ...his love for Trump ...equals his hate for Clinton/Obama

[brekin]

Is anyone here endorsing Trump? I think Agent Orange Cooper should stop being coy about it. Since his posts are endorsements, it doesn't really matter where he claims his vote/non-vote will go. It's okay, I don't think it's a banning offense. (Or maybe it is, because of the anti-sexism/anti-fascism rules? The former especially doesn't ever seem to get enforced.) Fact is you won't even get beat up too much in print, given that this thread has already been a 100+ page beating of the Kayfabe Hitler and his supporters.

Meanwhile, brekin's been engaging in the current "liberal," New Cold War brainwash attacks on Trump that backfire into endorsements. Is he "wobbly on Ukraine"!? Omigodnoway! At least Clinton ripped off Russia, rather than letting Russia rip off America?! Granted, he should have just helped Russia, and ripping them off contributed to Putin's rise, but what can you do?! We're tribal, join one or die! Same kind of logic can be applied in justifying all the dealings with the various jihadi militias and crazed dictators "we" first supported and later bombed. At least it was in America's interest? Which damned America would that be? Not mine!

SLAD, meanwhile, is mostly keeping an eye on what's essential. Not that she's not partial to this myth of how the strictly home-grown, all-American Trump phenomenon is a actually the product of Russophilia/Commie Puppetry and that he will be either the Great Peacemaker with (Nordic's version) or Vile Capitulator to (brekin's version) the good/evil Putin. As if he's going to do anything if elected other than be on TV every day telling you whom he really wants to punch next, and let the MIC run the foreign policy show.

But mostly SLAD sticks to the point, that he's openly and proudly racist and misogynist (with all the Nazi/Duke and MRA endorsements to add cred to it) and that he is daily issuing incitements to official, mob and/or freelance violence and hatred against imaginary enemies and assorted Others: Mexicans, Muslims, "liberals," journalists, protesters, the Chinapeople taking your stuff, and the urban youth who are supposedly currently burning down America's cities a la Nixon '68 (with the cop union endorsements to add credibility to the latter).

The answer to the establishment can't be the Kayfabe Hitler.

Thanks for the summing up and play by play JR.
I don't even mind being made a ideological caricature to serve in your illustration if you end getting Cooper to recant and come back to church.
But you get the damned America that you get, not the damned one you want.

I know your still butt hurt about Sanders, the liberal Cindrella Man.
But it is game time. Trump is a shit sandwich, Hilary is a shit sandwich, but with Hilary there is at least bread and not ground up glass (put there by commies, or what do we call them now ruskies? putinistas, putin-trumpists?)

This shouldn't be construed of absolution of Hilary, but a despairing, gulp, through tears, endorsement.
Sure Trump should have been dismissed by default back when this thread was started on page 1, just for the brain deadening obvious joke that he is.
And all the core reasons SLAD has noted. But it is August and the joke is on us.

Many of the same people who railed against W & Obama for their misdeeds are now open and closeted Trump supporters, when Trump will do the same or worse but will basically, or actually, say, "You know I don't really give a fuck. Hallelujah, the missiles are flying!" So, since rational and balanced argument will not sway Trump supporters then I'm going to, on a conspiracy website, push the conspiracy angle, that while they feared Obama was pushing secret FEMA death camps, Trutin is going to go full on gulag.

Now get your Hilary shirt back on and get out on the floor and hustler mister, hustle!

[PufPuf93]

Jack

Can you explain the Kayfabe Hitler reference?

What is Kayfabe?

I am prepared to be thought "slow".

Ok answered my own question. I thought Kayfabe was a made up by JR word.

Kayfabe

In professional wrestling, kayfabe /ˈkeɪfeɪb/ is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as "real" or "true," specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or pre-determined nature.

Kayfabe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

[The Consul]

I usually think that the way it works is they don't really give a shit who gets elected. Pretty sure that neither Trump or Sanders were supposed to happen. Sanders was obviously the most dangerous of them all. Trump was the freak who stole the whole show, like a bully who was over tolerated and ended up taking over the school and now the school is trying to figure out how to get rid of him, but the problem is he has all these followers who have been swayed by his cock-strutting ways. That the Kochs have not bought into his bullshit does not mean to me he is the anti-Koch candidate. They simply see him as a bad investment and not a libertarian guy at all, quite the opposite. If what they say is true that DT basically offered the presidency in practice to John Kasich as vp (who could probably deliver Ohio) and all DT would worry about is "Making America Great Again" then this is not lost on the power people. Mike Pence is not one of them, so.... the question then becomes who would actually run the production while DT is dancing on the stage? Good, you say, fuck them. To hell with those bastards. But the problem is, who Trumpollini would pick to run the show. And that is where the power people are getting fidgety, that is why gopers are bleeding way. The natural conclusion of the revolution in Teabaggerstan is coming to a head. And the irony will probably be that in doing so they have guaranteed the election of the one figure they might actually hate more than Obama. Donald Trump is not a revolutionary visionary any more than HIllary Clinton is an honest politician. He does not understand the Constitution, politics, government, or anything else that is not happening at the lectern. All he cares about is ratings. Down double digits in the polls? Fuck it. Say your ahead and talk about the huge crowd and how you give much longer speeches than the opposition. Say she is ISIS, say she is Hitler, say she is freaking Son of Sam. Say Anything meets Being There meets Nightmare on Elm St. It could not possibly be more screwed up than it is, unless of course, Trump gets elected. That would be a much more massive shock than Brexit. In my flitatious days with collapsarianism I would have been all for The Donald. Enough of this bullshit. Let whatever infected fascistic maggot swim upstream from the bowels of the corporate beast come in whatever form to bring about the final collapse of this empire, this murderous enterprise. But I don't feel that way anymore. Sadly I feel that DT is being used. He is, other than maybe Ben Carson & Huckabee & Fiorina, about the only republican HRC could actually beat. I think the power people were more worried about Bernie. Nobody took DT seriously, not even DT who is probably so over leveraged that he can't afford to be elected. He is the Brand, not what a president can be. Quite certain he couldn't give less of a shit about the "little guy" than Clinton (she at least through pretending she does has done some good if only by accident). Donald can't pretend. No matter how hard he tries. People mistake this for some kind of genuine strength of character. I think back to the David Rockerfeller visit to Reagan story - to explain to him how things really work. Not sure anyone imagines having that conversation with "the world's greatest negotiator". It's not going to happen. He is happening at this point and he is being used for something and Mr. Jones does not know what it is, but my guess is it does not include war with Iran which is my deepest suspicion of what this is all about. Not whether we have one, but what kind.

[seemslikeadream]

The Consul Abides



You hand in your ticket and you go watch the geek


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn9ZB76KZLI

And he says, “Here is your throat back
Thanks for the loan”





But even the president of the United States
Sometimes must have to stand naked


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYajHZ4QUVM

An’ though the rules of the road have been lodged
It’s only people’s games that you got to dodge
And it’s alright, Ma, I can make it



Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to



While money doesn’t talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony

[seemslikeadream]

#XanaxTrump



come to Jesus emergency meeting between RNC and Trump tomorrow

[American Dream]

https://kloncke.org/2016/07/23/an-era-o ... d-options/

An Era of No Good Options



Right now, for me, it’s this question:

From what source do we derive our power?

* * * * *

As a Black and Jewish (European) mixie, two genocides mark my recent ancestry. One of them is relatively uncontested. Holocaust deniers exist, sure, but it would be difficult for most Americans to look at my Opa’s identification papers from the 1930’s, see Dachau, Auschwitz, and Buchenwald written in old-timey script, and still insist that my relatives were not systematically starved, gassed, hanged, and burned in ovens, with the stated intention of ridding the world of Jews.

The approach to the question of Black genocide in the United States, though, is different. Systematic anti-Black state violence is more commonly labeled an atrocity, a violation of human or civil rights, or a category of racist oppression.

The United Nations Genocide Convention defines genocide as “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.”

“In whole or in part.” This has been the subject of debate and disagreement, even among those who consider themselves experts.

“The part must be a substantial part of [the targeted] group,” some say. “The aim of the Genocide Convention is to prevent the intentional destruction of entire human groups, and the part targeted must be significant enough to have an impact on the group as a whole.”

The determination of when the targeted part is substantial enough to meet this requirement may involve a number of considerations. The numeric size of the targeted part of the group is the necessary and important starting point, though not in all cases the ending point of the inquiry. The number of individuals targeted should be evaluated not only in absolute terms, but also in relation to the overall size of the entire group. In addition to the numeric size of the targeted portion, its prominence within the group can be a useful consideration. If a specific part of the group is emblematic of the overall group, or is essential to its survival, that may support a finding that the part qualifies as substantial…

The historical examples of genocide also suggest that the area of the perpetrators’ activity and control, as well as the possible extent of their reach, should be considered. … The intent to destroy formed by a perpetrator of genocide will always be limited by the opportunity presented to him. While this factor alone will not indicate whether the targeted group is substantial, it can—in combination with other factors—inform the analysis.

When Black members of the Civil Rights Congress brought a paper to the United Nations in December 1951, charging the United States with genocide, they were accused by the U.S. government of exaggerating racial discord in order to advance the cause of communism.

But you can judge for yourself.

Has a “substantial part” of Black people in the United States, historically and in modern times, been targeted and killed on the basis of race?

Has the area of the perpetrators’ activity and control been proximate to the area where Black people live?

Have the millions of African and Black people murdered on the basis of race, during the transatlantic slave trade and its ongoing aftermath, been “emblematic of the overall group” and “essential to its survival?”

Or does this mass murder not qualify as genocide because Africans kidnapped and brought to these lands were intended to be used rather than eradicated? Because white colonizers have always relied on Black lives to underwrite their economies, both in Western Europe and in the “New World?”

Where does genocide figure into the master-slave dialectic? How does it fit into class warfare, the “war” of which implies mass killing, yet the “class” of which requires subjugated strata alive enough to labor, produce, and serve?

Is it a non-genocide because there is no single Black group to kill off? Because there is no such thing as a monolith in the African Diaspora? Or because we lack unity, with parts of the Black group menacing and disavowing other parts?

Why do I feel like I’m trapped in an argument about the difference between rape and “forcible rape?”

* * * * *

Does it really matter what we call it?

Does a designation of genocide or non-genocide really affect our approach to halting the machines of Black death?

And again, in halting these machines, from what source do we derive our power?

* * * * *

The Trump-vs-Hillary debates are painful and depressing to witness, in part because they recall, for me, this weird double standard around genocides.

Trump’s bigotry, like the genocide of Jews, is widely recognized and broadly denounced. He condones torture. He wants to lock up Muslims. He wants to build a wall.

Hillary’s racism, meanwhile, simmers in ambiguity. Normalized. And anti-Blackness is key to its normalization. While Trump promises torture, Hillary facilitates it. Domestically, she has helped orchestrate mass incarceration: the ongoing caging and torture of U.S. citizens and non-citizens, including by means of solitary confinement and malnourishment. Hillary accomplished this on the basis of anti-Black fearmongering. “Superpredators.” She supports the death penalty, even though (or because) it disproportionately kills Black people — Black people whose threats to society are considered more dangerous, whose lives are considered less redeemable.

Still, progressives and Leftists focus on one predator: Trump. Trump, who represents the “forcible rape,” the unequivocal genocide.

* * * * *

If more of us understood ourselves to be living through — today, this minute — the prolonged, slow, but no less legitimate genocide of Black people in the U.S., would we act differently than we do right now? Would we approach the question of Black freedom with more fervor?

And if so, what would we do?

From what source do we derive our power?

I’ll be honest: I’m tired of dropping banners. I’m tired of a select segment of us chaining ourselves to shit in protest, just to be outwaited by the police. (#BayAreaProblems.) I’m tired of spending so much energy to oust a couple of politicians, with no real plans for replacements, and no inspiring, ongoing People’s platforms to sustain us.

I know it sounds bitter and cranky. But I’m grateful, too, that people are trying. I believe we’ll find a way.

Even in this era of no good options.

* * * * *

Influenced by / Food for thought:

1. “New Social Contradictions” (Marxism Through The Back Door): An Interview with Cedric Johnson

2. “My Four Months As A Private Prison Guard” by Shane Bauer for Mother Jones

3. 2013 Rounding Up of Native people in Wolf Point, Montana

4. FBI Redefinition of Rape in 2013, though the old definition is still on the web site as of this writing.

[FourthBase]

Brekin wrote:

Ukraine? Crimea? Sure it's not completely black and white, but when did Ukrainians and Crimean's invade Russia

I can't believe I'm gonna have to explain this to someone at RI. Someone who is clearly intelligent and should know better.

I don't have time for it now because I'm on a job, but every move Russia has made has been defensive. Not offensive.

The US overthrew the Ukraine and put in a puppet government. This was very aggressive. The neonazis of Kiev who were given power by this started slaughtering Russian speakers including a particularly gruesome massacre in Odessa where they deliberately burned to death dozens of Russian speakers. There are photos. You could look them up. The goals of the neonazi Ukes were clear -- to ethnically clear the Russian speakers out of Ukraine. As a rather brutal gerrymandering of election districts.

Russia has always had a major military base in Crimea. It is historically Russian. It was clear to Putin that one of the goals of the Ukraine overthrow, other than getting Monsanto and Halluburton in there, was to threaten the military base in Crimea. And probably slaughter the ethnic Rusdians who lived there. So he "invaded" Crimea with the 50,000 troops who were ALREADY THERE. The people of Crimea voted in full approval of this and are damn happy they did or they would be getting blown to bits out shopping like the poor bastardis in the Donbass. There are videos. Gruesome. Look them up.

In the meantime Putin did just enough to avoid a total genocide of the Russians in Ukraine.

But now guess who has boots in the ground in Ukraine? We do. Who is pushing for a new war? We are. Who just sent saboteurs into Crimea to (suicidally) stir up shit with Russia? Our puppets did, and they wouldn't make a move like that without our urging, and our telling them we'd back them up.

Again if Russia wanted to actually be aggressive there, they could take Ukraine in smattering of days. Putin has been doing everything imaginable to avoid a full-on confrontation with the US over Ukraine. And we have been goading him relentlessly.

But yeah keep talking s out "Russian aggression". That makes you no better than John Keery or Victoria Nuland, both lying warmongering sacks of shit.

I'm game for seeing things from just about any perspective for the hell of it right now. Give me three essential links that document all this.

[FourthBase]

Trump in zen-master mode today, bustin' out the charts like a plus-sized Ross Perot

How much of a lead would 1992 Ross Perot have right now over either/both Hillary/Trump? I would soooooo fucking vote for that pesky little protectionist right now. I admire his use of charts and I long for presidential candidates to air 30 or 60 minute infomercials. It's the most respect the intelligence of American voters has received in a long time. He was right about NAFTA. He got psyched out by Poppy Bush's spookfare. 24 years later lesbianism can't be used like that, thankfully. Shit, if one of Trump's daughters had X-rated lesbian photos leak, his poll numbers would rise, he himself would brag about them, compliment her like a creep. Perot would win this year.

[FourthBase]

He said Hillary should be awarded the MVP of ISIS, with Obama being her only competition. Which is entirely true, lol

Donald Trump: I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally

Cue the Twilight Zone music.
Donald Trump, RI member, LMFAO.

[FourthBase]

Is anyone here endorsing Trump? I think Agent Orange Cooper should stop being coy about it. Since his posts are endorsements, it doesn't really matter where he claims his vote/non-vote will go. It's okay, I don't think it's a banning offense. (Or maybe it is, because of the anti-sexism/anti-fascism rules? The former especially doesn't ever seem to get enforced.) Fact is you won't even get beat up too much in print, given that this thread has already been a 100+ page beating of the Kayfabe Hitler and his supporters.

Meanwhile, brekin's been engaging in the current "liberal," New Cold War brainwash attacks on Trump that backfire into endorsements. Is he "wobbly on Ukraine"!? Omigodnoway! At least Clinton ripped off Russia, rather than letting Russia rip off America?! Granted, he should have just helped Russia, and ripping them off contributed to Putin's rise, but what can you do?! We're tribal, join one or die! Same kind of logic can be applied in justifying all the dealings with the various jihadi militias and crazed dictators "we" first supported and later bombed. At least it was in America's interest? Which damned America would that be? Not mine!

SLAD, meanwhile, is mostly keeping an eye on what's essential. Not that she's not partial to this myth of how the strictly home-grown, all-American Trump phenomenon is a actually the product of Russophilia/Commie Puppetry and that he will be either the Great Peacemaker with (Nordic's version) or Vile Capitulator to (brekin's version) the good/evil Putin. As if he's going to do anything if elected other than be on TV every day telling you whom he really wants to punch next, and let the MIC run the foreign policy show.

But mostly SLAD sticks to the point, that he's openly and proudly racist and misogynist (with all the Nazi/Duke and MRA endorsements to add cred to it) and that he is daily issuing incitements to official, mob and/or freelance violence and hatred against imaginary enemies and assorted Others: Mexicans, Muslims, "liberals," journalists, protesters, the Chinapeople taking your stuff, and the urban youth who are supposedly currently burning down America's cities a la Nixon '68 (with the cop union endorsements to add credibility to the latter).

The answer to the establishment can't be the Kayfabe Hitler.

I'd say the least worrisome things about the Trump phenomenon are the things you have the biggest shitfits over. I don't think he's remotely as racist or sexist as you think he is.

He will appoint a whole shitload of aggressive right wingers with New American Century type plans for the world, your worst nightmare, and it used to be mine, too, and I'm still not a fan, to say the fucking least, but there are other evils that terrify me a little bit more now. I would rather have a world ruthlessly dominated by American interests than a world ruthlessly dominated by Chinese/Russian/Iranian interests. If it's one or the other, I choose these evil assholes here, this evil system.

I won't be voting for him. 1) He's apparently a rape buddy of Jeffrey Epstein. 2) He's apparently owned by foreign interests, namely Putin, the deed to his soul probably having something to do with the first thing.

Then a-fucking-gain: He would merely be the second president who was a rape buddy of Jeffrey Epstein's, and the first president who was is basically the co-candidate of the only other viable option. And the Clintons are in the pocket of numerous foreign interests, too.

So, you know fucking what, yeah, if I lived in a swing state, I might suppress my gag reflex and actually vote for the fucking ghoul, instead of the other ghoul. Thankfully I live in Massachusetts, I'll be voting for myself, or Harry Truman, or Dwight Eisenhower, or a random person from the phonebook. But yes, I prefer Trump over Hillary, like I prefer chewing gum that has broken glass and arsenic in it versus chewing gum that has chewing gum, arsenic, and also pubes.

If you're gonna suggest that being pro-Trump is potentially grounds for banishment per the antifascist bylaws, then surely you're going to suggest the same for Hillary support, too? How could you possibly not? Hillary is not herself a warmongering fascist sociopath by your standards, too? Of course she is. She is the one who has actually been responsible for hundreds of thousands of killings. I mean, for fuck's sake, Trump suggests some gun nut could shoot Hillary someday, but right before that the same day it's Team Hillary who invites the Orlando shooter's spooky dad onstage behind her and it's Team Hillary who later that evening is implicated by Assange in the Seth Rich murder.

What's the difference? Would expressing nearly-equal righteous bamhammerish disgust over Hillary support not signal virtue clearly enough? Would it complicate too much the chill of self-regard that really laying into Trump gives you?