‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

[Grizzly]

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/08/th ... .html#more

Stagecraft all over the place... REmember what Uncle Bob Wilson sd, "Reality is what you can get away with"...

Also, found it interesting this was on the front page of reddit just now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comment ... s_of_hell/

possible triggering...

https://vimeo.com/147767325

[guruilla]

Creepy vid.

Well, if I wanted to publicly air a real human sacrifice and get away with it I would stage it to look like a hoax. However, if this is, in fact, what happened, they did a real good job of it. Fakest looking human sacrifice I ever saw...because I've seen so many. But, really, it looked fake as Trump's hair.

Why? What makes it look fake to you?

How would you expect it to look if it were genuine? Exactly how would it differ from the video we see here?

(These are sincere questions, btw. I'm curious as to why you feel that way. My own response to the video was different. But I'll reserve any further post on it until tomorrow, because it's 2 am here now. Goodnight.)

I second those questions. I also had a different response and also want to reserve comment till later. Can you list the "tells" that made it "obviously fake"?

[divideandconquer]

Creepy vid.

Well, if I wanted to publicly air a real human sacrifice and get away with it I would stage it to look like a hoax. However, if this is, in fact, what happened, they did a real good job of it. Fakest looking human sacrifice I ever saw...because I've seen so many. But, really, it looked fake as Trump's hair.

Why? What makes it look fake to you?

How would you expect it to look if it were genuine? Exactly how would it differ from the video we see here?

(These are sincere questions, btw. I'm curious as to why you feel that way. My own response to the video was different. But I'll reserve any further post on it until tomorrow, because it's 2 am here now. Goodnight.)

I second those questions. I also had a different response and also want to reserve comment till later. Can you list the "tells" that made it "obviously fake"?

That's hard to answer because if it is real, I believe it was staged to look like a hoax. I mean from the all too prepared cameraman to the Nike sneakers sticking out of cheap looking vestments to the lack of ceremony to the all too willing victim to the conveniently timed panic attack which makes it impossible to see what really happened...I mean, overall it looks silly. Maybe that's how it's supposed to look.

CERN has given a statement that confirms that this "hoax" did occur on their property, but, once again, it's a matter of security failure. Really?

Whatever did happen, to be sure, there is more to this than a few kids joking around.

[Cordelia]

Any Geneva newspaper reports in August of 'ex-beauty queen's overdose death', à la 'Eyes Wide Shut'?

[MacCruiskeen]

From today's Torygraph:

Geneva police have been informed of the prank but CERN said its investigation would remain internal and police would not be involved.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... -campus-t/

Well, that's cosy. An apparent ritual murder takes place as a result of a security breach at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, and the police just step aside and say: "Go ahead, sir, deal with it yourselves, it's a private matter, none of our business, no doubt it was just a prank. Perhaps you could give us a ring if you find out whodunnit and what it was they done, exactly? Thank you, sir, that's very kind of you."

Right. I mean, it's not as if this is a matter of public interest or anything.





CERN is funded by European taxpayers. This year's budget was well over a billion dollars again:

Year Budget (million CHF [Swiss Francs])

2016 1127.2
2015 1118.3
2014 1108.5
2013 1246.5
2012 1165.9
2011 1075.60
2010 1026.28
2009 887.39
2008 910.90
2007 981.60
2006 1238.92

https://press.cern/facts-and-figures/budget-overview

If another dozen people sneak in and film themselves slaughtering a goat (or a baby) on the Large Hadron Collider next week, will the police agree to treat that as an internal matter too?

[Nordic]

"Police would not be involved"? Who do they think they are, The Vatican?

[guruilla]

That's hard to answer because if it is real, I believe it was staged to look like a hoax.  I mean from the all too prepared cameraman to the Nike sneakers sticking out of cheap looking vestments to the lack of ceremony to the all too willing victim to the conveniently timed panic attack which makes it  impossible to  see what really happened...I mean, overall it looks silly.  Maybe that's how it's supposed to look. 

My own initial response was neither to believe it was real nor that it was an obvious fake. It looked to me like it could be a real murder, but most likely wasn't (I'll get to why in a minute). If someone who saw the same video had told me they were sure it was real, I would have thought they were jumping to conclusions & being hopelessly naive. BUT, when someone says they are sure it is a hoax and that it is obvious just by watching it, then I have a similar sort of reaction. I think a large part of the second response (sweeping disbelief) has to do with the belief that, if something like this were really enacted, it would not wind up as an amateur video on Youtube. This seems like a reasonable assumption, unless of course it were intended that way from the start. Another equally large part of the disbelief, I think, has to do with how no one wants to be seen as a sucker. To even suggest that this video might be real is to risk a barrage of mocking voices telling you that ANYONE can see it's a fake and only a complete moron would think otherwise.

One question: can the possible fakeness of the event itself be examined as a separate question to the possible fakeness of the person filming it? At first I thought no, but on second thought, it clearly can, if we allow that a real event was staged with the intent to film it and make it look as though it had been captured by a random observer. This means even if we think that the guy filming it seems kind of fake, there's no need to conclude that the murder itself is fake.

Regarding the sneakers, details like this are interesting to me because, when they come up as evidence for the fakeness (& they raised my eyebrow too), they reveal certain assumptions we have that may be baseless. Here the assumption is that a real blood sacrifice as part of an occult ritual would not entail people wearing sneakers under their robes. Why not? Because serious occultists take these things seriously and we can expect they would follow one of the principles of ritual which is only wearing a single garment, hence the robe, and so really they should be barefoot. But this itself requires an assumption that the only group that would perform a ritual sacrifice of this sort is what we think of as a "serious occultist" one. Maybe there are some occult groups that allow sneakers?

Even if we admit that the sneakers indicate that these are not "serious (by the book) occultists," clearly this enactment, even if a prank, required some very serious planning and could hardly have been a casual affair. So why be so sloppy as to allow for details such as the sneakers that make it appear somewhat silly? Either the robed actors wanted it to look fake or they didn't care if it did, and this is consistent both with a theory that it was actually fake and one that it was actually real. So then, the sneakers don't really prove much besides that, if these are actual occultists, they are pretty cavalier when it comes to the devotional rules.

I think the strongest point that the whole thing is bogus is what D & C calls the lack of ceremony: it all happens too damn fast for any sort of energy to be built up, so basically, if it was a real murder, then that's all it was, a murder disguised as an occult ritual. It's fair to ask why anyone would want to disguise a murder as an occult ritual and film it, unless the primary goal was the create a snuff film, one that wouldn't even show the murder in much gore or detail, so basically an anti-climactic snuff film. (Though there could have been a second cameraman.)

If we deduce from this that the murder was most probably faked (but even if it wasn't), and that the aim of the enactment was to create a video that would go viral and cause a bit of  a scandal around CERN and lots of debate in the "conspiracy" community, then we are still left with the question cui bono. The notion of a prank conveniently sidesteps this question, because pranks aren't about who benefits, they are all done for lultz. The all-for-lultz explanation doesn't seem to add up, however, because of the high-security location for the enactment. We are then left with a "psy-op," and psyops have a lot in common with pranks, except that they aren't all-for-lultz & it's the all-for-lulz part that really makes  a prank a prank. A psyop is an organized head-fuck with specific intent, i.e, with a set desired outcome. That's the part of this that interests me personally, and it's also the part that we can examine first hand, because we are the target of the psyop. Even if by some bizarre chain of random events, this was a prank for lultz, we can still look at the outcome and how it dovetails with what we have already deduced about the desired aims of TPTB.

Besides the points already raised at this thread, there's another which struck me yesterday, which is that psyops of this sort have a cumulative effect of normalizing bizarre & sinister behaviors and making them easier to get away with, without the need for concealment. Next time you pass a ritual sacrifice after midnight, Hey, never mind, it's just another of those wacky pranks! The less these activities have to be concealed, the less we are going to want to investigate them, because an attempt to conceal signals a mystery, even a crime, and attracts our attention. On the other hand, if we see people committing bizarre dodgy acts casually, as if nothing is happening, we tend to assume it's not what we think it is. (Every good shoplifter knows this.)

This then raises an even more interesting question for me: how our perceptual faculties seem to be designed to filter out serious anomalies, to the extent that we have no conscious awareness of seeing them (remember the man in the gorilla suit on the playing field example?). I recently spoke to an RA survivor who claimed that, when she was young, she was part of child abuse "parties" that occurred in broad daylight in public places (parks generally). I expressed disbelief & asked for an explanation. She didn't really have one, she just stressed that this was her recollection. I don't personally feel like I can completely rule out the possibility that things are occurring on this scale right under our eyes, and that we simply don't see them. If so, a staged event of this sort might be playing into human perceptual mechanics in some hard-to-understand way, tweaking our assumptions this way or that to make us more amenable to consent of whatever sort facilitates the programs, goals, & desires being pursued...

[MacCruiskeen]

... if it is real, I believe it was staged to look like a hoax. I mean from the all too prepared cameraman to the Nike sneakers sticking out of cheap looking vestments to the lack of ceremony to the all too willing victim to the conveniently timed panic attack which makes it impossible to see what really happened...I mean, overall it looks silly. Maybe that's how it's supposed to look.

Well, ...

1. Who says people engaging in a ritual murder have to be expensively or elegantly dressed? (Compare the Manson Gang.)

2. There was no "lack of ceremony". Just a very short ceremony, before they cut to the chase.

3. What if the "all too willing victim" did not know what she was letting herself in for? (Like many a murdered woman.)

4. "the all too prepared cameraman"

See point # 3.

"the conveniently timed panic attack which makes it impossible to see what really happened."

Hypothesis: The cameraman thought he was going to be filming something else, say a sex-act or an actual orgy. Hence his snickering when the procession starts. Hence the bare-ankled participants (naked or lightly-clad under their cloaks). Then the knife appears: "What the fuck?" Then his panic when he sees the knife actually used.

The guy's response actually sounded very real to me. If you saw a kitschy pantomime suddenly culminate in a brutal stabbing (real or simulated), wouldn't you react similarly?

[MacCruiskeen]

Another point: Notice the lighting, a permanent fixture there which is designed to cast giant shadows of Shiva in several directions, upwards, onto several walls.



(It's a distinctly creepy effect in itself. Why would CERN want that? How would it tend to affect the mentality of people working there at night? It's not exactly a cheerer-upper.)

Anyway, the point is: Those multiple low-level lights also have the effect of casting huge shadows of anyone passing in front of them, and there were at least ten participants in that "ritual" that night. Giant, distorted, moving shadows all over the ground, and all over the walls! It reminds me of the Brocken Spectre, or Doctor Caligari's Cabinet.





So how on earth did they manage to escape detection by security guards (or by people working late in their offices)?

And why were they so unworried by the possibility of being caught? They cover quite a distance, and their movements are unhurried and "ceremonial" the entire time. And they're all dressed in bizarre and sinister costumes, and at least one of them is carrying a knife. That can't be explained away if they're stopped and searched. And there's at least ten of them, and they're all casting ENORMOUS SHADOWS. And yet they act as if they haven't a care in the world.

The "CERN Bulletin" confirms that the place is very well equipped with security guards, additional security patrols, and 300 surveillance cameras administered by a surveillance centre (CSA):

Behind the scenes of GS: security affects us all

A CERN manager, supported by two outside companies, manages the three entities in the GS Department that are in charge of various aspects of security. In total, about 80 people, 300 cameras, a surveillance centre (CSA) and 22 kilometres of fences are responsible for ensuring that the Organization is secure. But in spite of these significant resources, the best strategy for maintaining a good level of security at CERN is the active support of its users.

CERN’s security service covers three main areas: access control, comprising the security guards and a patrol service that ensures the site is secure and monitors compliance with traffic and parking rules; registration; and locks and keys.

The 22 guards on the day shift and the seven on the night shift, who constantly monitor access, are spread across the two main sites and the four experiment sites. “The guards’ main job is to check that only those who are authorised to do so enter the site,” explains Didier Constant, head of security at CERN." They also carry out random searches and patrols to ensure that the parking rules are respected.”

[...]

Security affects us all. And this applies right from the moment we register at CERN. “It’s a tricky job,” emphasises Constant. “We issue around 22,000 access cards each year, with peaks of around 700 per week, particularly at the start of the year when lots of new people arrive at CERN, and at the start of July, when students and trainees arrive.”

[...]

https://cds.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulleti ... 4688?ln=en

[slimmouse]

"Police would not be involved"? Who do they think they are, The Vatican?

I try to tell anyone who is capable of listening and understanding that the Vatican was essentially the founder corporation, which in an extremely cunning way managed to hijack the personal spirituality of countless souls, as they raped and murdered innocents in the name of God.

Or is that Yaweh?

[Burnt Hill]

Looks fake to me. That's not how you sacrifice someone.
You wouldn't use a stabbing motion if you wanted to precisely slice open a jugular vein or artery.
The woman would probably need to be restrained even if she was a willing participant.
Also, she wouldn't have died immediately. Seconds after the stab, at around 2:16 she is hasn't changed position, and is not writhing in pain, bleeding out.

What did it take, about 3-4 minutes?
They could have snuck in and ran off before security got there, if security was even notified.
Though I think the cameraman was involved in the hoax also.

[Harvey]

At least two guys are filming an empty courtyard at the LHC during the night, from inside the facility. The filming remains steady while a bunch of peers, all fairly young judging by the footwear and legs, appear from the outer courtyard wearing bedsheets. The camera begins to zoom before the main action begins, as if scripted. The final shot after the moment of panic is of the collider itself, is that plausible considering the location of the filming? Should be easy to check.

My guess is that some of these kids hang around with a few decent game designers through having a background in software. Any LHC themed games due for release?

Meanwhile...

*Edited for grammar and clarity.

[JackRiddler]

Looks fake to me. That's not how you sacrifice someone.

Nothing if not quotable.

[guruilla]

First LOL of the thread.

[Novem5er]

Police wouldn't likely get involved in a murder case if there, you know, wasn't a victim.

I'd be checking local Missing Person reports, etc, if I were the police (and perhaps they did). Just for jokes, though, can you imagine the police investigating this at the CERN dormatory?

*knock knock* "It's the police, can you please answer some questions?"

"Yes, sir, how can I help you?"

"Did you and some friends make a strange film last night where a girl gets sacrificed?"

"Um, yeah - it was a prank. Here's our robes and stuff and here's my girlfriend, Hailey. She was the victim."

"Hello!"

"Hmm. Are you sure you guys didn't really kill a girl? And that Hailey, here, was the one in the film?"

"Yes and yes, officer."

"Hmm. Well . . . carry on, then. Actually, don't do that again - you're making the Internet go nuts."

"That was the point, sir!"