Jill Stein actually discusses the Deep State

[Grizzly]

just curious, has CNN spent resources or ever done a Third party Green or otherwise Libertarian hour on national or international television before?
Why now?

[Nordic]

Wow. Her answer about nuclear energy got down voted like hell. Trolled to death.

I have run into this on FB. The nuke industry clearly has a social media army at their disposal. This is pretty frightening. These people have, even on FB, very dubious profiles, no friends, and make boilerplate comments to which, when you call them out, they never respond. It reminds me of an e trembly similar thug I used to see on DailyKos (when I wrote there frequently and had a bit of a following) when the topic was GMO's or flu epidemics.

Unreal. I mean, look at what she wrote about nuke power. It's hardly out of the ordinary:

Nuclear energy is dirty, dangerous and expensive and should be ruled out for all those reasons. Fukoshima is the poster child of the nuclear power industry. You can put it in someone else's back yard or on the other side of the world but we are all endangered by it.

And we don't need it! Renewable are the least expensive. Nuclear is the most expensive. It only survives because our government is in bed with the industry and campaign contributions by the loan guarantees that the industry cannot operate without. The continued existence of this lethal form of energy is a tribute to the corruption of our political system. Clean up our energy. Clean up our politics. Join the Green movement.

A weird update. I really went after some of the nuke energy schills in the AMA. I also suggested the only reason they could possibly have their views is because they must be in the industry and therefore had a conflict of interest. This was met with some EXTREMELY aggressive responses, really nasty shit.

Well today I'm bored out of my mind on a job, and I check my LinkedIn account, which I almost never do. Guess who's been checking out my linked in account? Nuke energy guys!!! Several of them. What's creepy about this is that I post on Reddit under a pseudonym. How did they get my real name?

A little disconcerting. There is absolutely no reason nuke energy people would ever look at my linked in account. My business is about as far removed from that as you can get.

Just looked at it again. They all looked me up at the same time.

[JackRiddler]

A weird update. I really went after some of the nuke energy schills in the AMA. I also suggested the only reason they could possibly have their views is because they must be in the industry and therefore had a conflict of interest. This was met with some EXTREMELY aggressive responses, really nasty shit.

Well today I'm bored out of my mind on a job, and I check my LinkedIn account, which I almost never do. Guess who's been checking out my linked in account? Nuke energy guys!!! Several of them. What's creepy about this is that I post on Reddit under a pseudonym. How did they get my real name?

A little disconcerting. There is absolutely no reason nuke energy people would ever look at my linked in account. My business is about as far removed from that as you can get.

Just looked at it again. They all looked me up at the same time.

Wow. The corporate trolls are really well-organized and obvious, always on script, and always play indignant about having it pointed out. Nuclear energy and Monsanto/GMO are two issues that draw teams (or persona "teams") quickly and they go straight to the "anti-science" tropes.

[Nordic]

A weird update. I really went after some of the nuke energy schills in the AMA. I also suggested the only reason they could possibly have their views is because they must be in the industry and therefore had a conflict of interest. This was met with some EXTREMELY aggressive responses, really nasty shit.

Well today I'm bored out of my mind on a job, and I check my LinkedIn account, which I almost never do. Guess who's been checking out my linked in account? Nuke energy guys!!! Several of them. What's creepy about this is that I post on Reddit under a pseudonym. How did they get my real name?

A little disconcerting. There is absolutely no reason nuke energy people would ever look at my linked in account. My business is about as far removed from that as you can get.

Just looked at it again. They all looked me up at the same time.

Wow. The corporate trolls are really well-organized and obvious, always on script, and always play indignant about having it pointed out. Nuclear energy and Monsanto/GMO are two issues that draw teams (or persona "teams") quickly and they go straight to the "anti-science" tropes.

Yeah I've experienced exactly that in many sites. I guess they're also equipped to somehow get people's actual identities from Reddit as well. Haven't had that happen with any other groups as far as I know. I'd like to know how they pulled that off.

[tapitsbo]

Spyware? I can think of a couple other issues that bring the "teams". Syrian war/IS terrorists and the surrounding sketchy context definitely brings them, as seen on this board.

[JackRiddler]

Spyware? I can think of a couple other issues that bring the "teams". Syrian war/IS terrorists and the surrounding sketchy context definitely brings them, as seen on this board.

I don't think that's as organized. Or rather, the sides on a question like Syria tend to have more people acting on their own speaking from actual individual conviction (especially when they're simplifying it into false binaries like America/Russia all bad/good). Even if they act as teams, which you also see, and even if there are sometimes temporary campaigns backed by a given party, faction or clique. You certainly see Hasbara teams, and party teams, and religion teams, and conservative/liberal teams, but still most of those tend to be or at least look like true believers who may parrot a line but keep veering into their own idiosyncracies.

Again, any cause sometimes sees temporary campaigns launched from behind by paying entities, as during elections when the PACs and parties get busy. And who knows what the fuck the persona management soldiers at the Air Force or NSA are doing? (Remember the Air Force stories?)

I think the corporate PR has the highest quotient of permanent astroturf, paid-troll persona management entities. Definitely a majority. How many true believing fans of Monsanto or Entergy are there, people who will viscerally rush to respond to "defamations" against corporate brands, much as people genuinely do with countries or broader ideological causes? The corps gotta pay for that shit.

"Professional" corporate PR work can usually be spotted in the rapid onset of response when there is a crisis, the consistency of talking points along a narrow focus, the discipline, the lack of variation, the lack of interest in anything but the chosen issue. We see very little of that here, I think, because RI is a blessed backwater, at least from a corporate PR perspective. What the hell is the payoff in trying to convince the likes of us that nuclear power is clean and GMO research aims to end world hunger?

It's very different from, say, a political operative (of whatever group) or self-appointed missionary (for whatever cause) deciding to infiltrate (say) a board, first introducing themselves and having the equivalent of a few beers by taking an interest in multiple issues, then gradually trotting out the message and sometimes retreating on it with equivocations. I think we've had more than a bit of that here. Don't you?

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[JackRiddler]

Yeah I've experienced exactly that in many sites. I guess they're also equipped to somehow get people's actual identities from Reddit as well. Haven't had that happen with any other groups as far as I know. I'd like to know how they pulled that off.

Training, presumably. And access to search platforms that are subscriber only. They find your IP, which is always somewhere, then run that until there are enough matches. This was already doable in the 1990s. I'm sure anyone could do it, with resources and training that aren't out of reach for most of us if we were so inclined. Luckily I'm apathetic. Whoever you are, it's okay. Believe it or not.

[JackRiddler]

Stein's got my vote, for a second time, but damned if I don't see her and Baraka on CNN and wish, despite my dislike of personalized bullshit, for more polish, presence, charisma, wit, acuity, timing: a sense for the ball and the killer swing. Because that stuff is needed for breakthrough politics. Being amateur and giving an honest impression only goes so far with the big numbers. By comparison, Corbyn, contrary to his false reputation (a product of the anti-Corbyn lies, which are not working), knows how to set a crowd on fire.

And Stein could have really started fishing into the committed secular vote (a minority but dwarfs the Green vote) by smacking a line drive right back at that bullshit pitch from the god-fearing teacher. Something like "I am committed to the separation of church and state, we all have our own spiritual side but it shouldn't be the stuff of politics, there are too many people claiming they are on a mission from god but our job is to confront the problems we need to solve right here in this world, like..." Instead of or at least in addition to the rambling about how religious she was as a child, kumbaya. And if she wanted to hold out a vain hope for the committed Christian voters that stuff was way too half-assed, anyway.

[Luther Blissett]

Nordic you don't have your email tied to your Reddit account do you? I know that some people keep a more "complete profile."

[tapitsbo]

I totally agree with what you said JackRiddler - I wasn't talking about disagreement/discussion about the war... there are "teams" online that shoot down discussion of the sensitive links of western gov'ts to terrorist groups, though, just like the gmo/nuclear teams. As would be expected, if we recall the elaborate operations around the 9/11 truth movement.

In some cases these teams have been exposed organizing on places like reddit, anyways.

[Nordic]

Nordic you don't have your email tied to your Reddit account do you? I know that some people keep a more "complete profile."

I don't think so. I should probably check. I hardly ever actually comment at Reddit, so I've never been too concerned about it. But I'm gonna look into that. I'm usually real careful, though, about this sort of thing. I've been stalked twice pre-Internet. Wasn't fun.

[JackRiddler]

I totally agree with what you said JackRiddler - I wasn't talking about disagreement/discussion about the war... there are "teams" online that shoot down discussion of the sensitive links of western gov'ts to terrorist groups, though, just like the gmo/nuclear teams. As would be expected, if we recall the elaborate operations around the 9/11 truth movement.

In some cases these teams have been exposed organizing on places like reddit, anyways.

Oh yeah. But if they're organizing on reddit they're more likely true believers than paid shills (presumably paid at a lousy rate), which is what the GMO and nuclear ones certainly seem to be specifically. That kind of group would organize on a protected board, or just get marching orders from a central.

[JackRiddler]

Can we re-title this thread the Jill Stein Thread? Please? I want to avoid proliferation.

And here's something:

Is this love, is this love, is this love, is this love that I'm feeling?

[Searcher08]

@Nordic If you are doing stuff like that, you should use a VPN.

[Elvis]

Great thread I missed during time away; bumping with some news:

Jill Stein Finally Reveals How She’s Been Spending Recount Money
The 2016 vote may be final. But the Green Party candidate continues to dole out thousands to staff and lawyers.
Charles Davis
06.05.18 12:24 PM ET

Well after the possibility of a recount of the 2016 election results ended, Jill Stein’s presidential campaign continues to spend heavily on everything from staff salaries to attorney fees. The U.S. Green Party candidate revealed Monday that she had doled out more than $365,000 since the end of September 2017. As of April 30, 2018, her campaign had just over $761,000 in cash on hand.

The June 4 filings, first noted by Dave Levinthal of the Center for Public Integrity, are the first Federal Election Commission reports offered by Stein’s campaign in the last seven months. They come following a Daily Beast investigation that revealed that Stein was likely violating federal campaign-finance laws by keeping her campaign finances hidden.

"The delay in our latest filing is due to the fact that we have had to revise our reports as a routine part of the audit process that automatically follows the use of clean money public campaign finance matching funds," Stein campaign communications director Dave Schwab said in a statement. "This is a difficult, labor-intensive process that has taken our compliance team months of work to prepare."

Stein had raised $7.3 million for swing-state recounts and had hinted that donors would have the ability to vote on how she would spend any leftover money. But those recount efforts came to an end in December 2016 and no votes have been offered. Instead, since then, the Stein campaign has pursued recount-related litigation in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, seeking to access the source code of electronic voting machines. Most of the money spent in the past several months has been on lawyers and filing fees. But money has also been used to keep Stein’s 2016 core campaign staff intact.

According to the new disclosures, Stein campaign manager David Cobb was paid $7,520 in April 2018, 19 months after the 2016 election. Cobb has described his current role as “campaign manager for the recount.”

Matthew Kozlowsi, the Stein campaign director of compliance, was paid $7,160 in April 2018, according to the most recent data. That compares to a monthly salary of $3,000 in April 2016 in the midst of the actual presidential campaign.

Schwab earned $3,840 in April 2018, compared to $3,400 in April 2016. Last week, however, he told The Daily Beast that the Stein campaign remains committed to allowing its donors a chance to vote on how to spend whatever money remains, once litigation has ended.


UPDATE: After publication of this piece, Cobb sent over the following statement:

I am serving in several roles. I oversee the campaign audit, a routine FEC cross check on campaigns that have qualified for clean money public matching funds that typically spans a period of time long after the campaign has ended. As an attorney and former sponsor of the 2004 presidential recount that led to significant victories for election integrity in Ohio and New Mexico, I also coordinate with the attorneys for much of the ongoing legal work being done on behalf of the recount.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-stei ... ount-money

Wikipedia lists Stein as a "potential candidate" for 2020.