‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:58 am

Novem5er wrote:It's still not entirely clear where the girl is "stabbed"


Somewhere in her upper body, close to if not actually in her throat. That much is clear.

The case made by this "debunker" ("Run2Christ Live") is extremely weak. It consists of nothing but a repeated insistence that he can see clearly what cannot be seen clearly at all, framed by a scene from some comedy-horror movie and a jokey Star Wars clip. His assertion that he (and we) can clearly see the "tinfoil" (sic) knife enter the gap between her arm and her body is mere wishful thinking.

Run2Christ Live's YouTube channel:

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By the way, the guy who wields the knife is very thin and white - and unusually tall too? Maybe that's why his cloak is so ridiculously short. In the unlikely event that CERN have not yet identified him, he cannot be hard to find, although that place is no doubt exceptionally well-stocked with etiolated elongated ectomorphs.

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Novem5er » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:18 am

Agreed, that even the zoomed in and slowed down version does not perfectly show the blade and where it touches. I think it does mostly show that the "stab" would be rather shallow compared to the length of the blade (look at how far his fist stays away from the body). How lethal that makes it depends entirely on where it struck. An inch of blade in the neck is very bad. An inch of knife in the ribs is probably not.

I do agree 100% that the main cultist is probably Nosferatu.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:01 pm

FWIW I thought the video, especially the cameraman's hokey reaction, was clearly, screamingly fake.

Of course that doesn't mean it isn't interesting or worth talking about in terms of the who, what, where's, why's and how's of the thing.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:04 pm

FWIW I thought the video, especially the cameraman's hokey reaction, was clearly, screamingly fake


What was "hokey" about the cameraman's reaction? And what does it even mean to say that the video was "fake"?
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:31 pm

"Fake" in this context means that nobody was actually sacrificed on camera, ie, it wasn't some snuff film 'accidentally' caught on camera and released to the public. I mean, c'mon. What else could it mean?

I'm not going to argue with you if you didn't think his reaction was hokey. I did. It's called overacting and it's what amateurs do when they're trying to seem genuinely shocked.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:44 pm

It wasn't "overacted" at all. That's how people actually sound when they're shocked and frightened. To me he sounded just like many of the on-the-spot eyewitnesses to the collapse of the WTC, for instance.

How would you react if you saw a woman apparently being stabbed in the throat? Rock-jawed and silent like Clint Eastwood? Or murmuring "Dear me" through a yawn, like some Hollywood Evil Englishman? I don't think so.

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Anyway: Days later, I'm still amazed by the fact that about ten people actually went through with this - moving slowly, and casting giant shadows in a well-lit and highly-visible open space! -- in the full knowledge that the entire CERN site is heavily protected, bristling with surveillance cameras and routinely patrolled by security guards. If it's true that they all had CERN passes, and if it really was a mock execution, then how can they all have been so completely unworried by the prospect of losing their jobs or their permission to study there??

I second guruilla's very good question about the expected pay-off from this prank, if it was a prank. Because it would have to be a very strong payoff to compensate for the distinct likelihood of a ruined career.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Novem5er » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:55 pm

Check out this "real" ghost video from somewhere in Asia. Is it scary or hilarious? What about the reactions at the end; genuinely stupid or corny fake? Hard to say.



I laughed my butt off, but maybe I'm a bad judge of what is real.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:58 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:It wasn't "overacted" at all. That's how people actually sound when they're shocked. He sounded just like many of the witnesses to the collapse of the WTC, for instance.

How would you react if you saw a woman apparently being stabbed in the throat? By murmuring "Dear me" through a yawn?


There's a massive difference between seeing one of the largest man-made structures on the planet completely obliterated in front of your eyes, and seeing a hokey backwoods ritual with a fake stabbing as the coup de grace. If I was holding that camera and saw what was depicted in that video I would very likely be in disbelief at what I was seeing, obviously seriously concerned, but I'm pretty sure I would not immediately start hyperventilating and spinning the camera around like I just stepped off the set of Cloverfield. I would also keep fucking filming it, to see what happens. Look for blood, get it on camera. Wait to see what they do next. I'm pretty sure what happened next was the woman got up, they all laughed about it, waited for the camera guy to get back, and then went for some pizza.

But this is why I don't want to argue about whether it is real or not. It's an argument that goes nowhere and the question of its 'reality' is not even the interesting part of this story.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:29 pm

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:58 pm wrote:But this is why I don't want to argue about whether it is real or not. It's an argument that goes nowhere and the question of its 'reality' is not even the interesting part of this story.

No, but the question of how & why some people are arguing that it is obviously fake (even while claiming it doesn't matter), while others are saying it's not so obvious at all, is central to the artifact's interest, IMO.

So far, the arguments for and against have been similar to arguments about whether a movie rocked or sucked: entirely subjective.

Aesthetic criteria are learned; we are trained to apply them. The same is true of our criteria for discerning actual from fake.

Mac's comparison of the video to an ISIS beheading is a good one, I think. Or to the Hebdoe cop-shooting, I saw that & it was obviously fake to me, I could even see the bullet hitting the pavement (or thought I could). Other people denied that & said it wasn't obvious at all. The context for that was this: to admit the Hebdoe footage looked fake was to admit that the event was staged and/or that the mass media was deceiving us. People heavily invested in a worldview that doesn't allow for manipulations on that level saw what they saw because of the criteria which they were trained in and brought to the viewing (basically: trust the narrative). Now those who are saying the video looks fake are bringing their criteria, which is harder to define but I think it has to do with the opposite, being trained to distrust the narrative, distrust the evidence of the senses, & feeling sated by so much disinformation, conspiratainment, & the like. At bottom though is the conviction that we can trust our ability to know what's real. But can we? It's like when we argue that a movie is a good one, we trust our ability to discern a good movie from a bad movie and anyone who disagrees is wrong. But deep down we know we are just going with our preferences. In the case of the movie, it's a lot more obviously subjective, so there's at least some room for two points of view. In the case of the video, not so much. Either it is a real murder or it's not.

On the other hand, there is an area of nuance here too, because it could have been a real murder surrounded by fake or anomalous elements, even including an overacting cameraman (if he was). So part of the challenge of this is recognizing the many moving parts in the interface between our perception of an event and the media that shows it to us. Learning to separate the parts and examine them as parts, not as the whole that has been constructed to trick us via a subtle manipulation of our perception by the media. Hitchcock knew all about this (think of Psycho and the shower scene).

Essentially, I think Mac is right that this video is not a fake, but paradoxically in the sense that it is a fake, just not the kind of fake people are taking it for. I don't think it's a prank or an amateur bang-up job. It think the whole thing was very artfully done and that part of that art, maybe the main part, was to disguise that fact so we would be unaware of being manipulated by the media, and talk about it as if we were actually discussing found footage, rather than Cloverfield (or Blair Witch).
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:58 pm

So you're saying you believe that this was a real execution?

So you believe that CERN and by extension 10,000 employees, 20+ governments and possibly hundreds of multinational corporations are all involved in covering it up?
With the collusion of the swiss police and all major media outlets?

Just to clarify.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:06 pm

You said you agree with Mac, but exactly how Mac feels is not altogether obvious to differentiate from his generally dismissive tone. I say this as someone who has been reading his posts for many years and still occasionally finds his drift difficult to pin.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:07 pm

OP ED » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:58 pm wrote:So you're saying you believe that this was a real execution?.
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Just to clarify.

Wow. How many times & in how many ways do I have to clarify? Please find the part where you think I have said that I believe this (while you are at it, you might stumble upon the several times I have said the opposite).

I am starting to wonder if nuance is perceptible any longer?
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby brekin » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:11 pm

The video is complete bullshit, faker than fake.
Anyone even seriously considering this is real should turn in their R.I. Mousketeer ears and membership card and go mop floors for Alex Jones.

Why is the cameraman filming the frame he is for 10 seconds before the hooded cast walks onto frame? Why doesn't he seem surprised at all when they do? "giggle, wtf?". And then goes completely oh-mi-lordy-over-the-top-ape-shit when they appear to commit the sacrifice? Wouldn't you assume this was some theatre/arty farty nonsense going down at first? Since the woman victim is walking and moving so obviously rushed/choreographed? That and 20 other observations that anyone in junior high would suss out.

Major credibility hits points lost for anyone grinding in this thread.

I consider this a entry level entrance exam for gullibility.

Seriously R.I. "giggle, wtf?"

Locking this thread with a big red "Fake".

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:25 pm

brekin wrote:Why is the cameraman filming the frame he is for 10 seconds before the hooded cast walks onto frame? Why doesn't he seem surprised at all when they do? "giggle, wtf?".


You didn't even bother to read the thread, brekin, did you? No, obviously you didn't. You simply barged in on page 10, a-huffin' and a puffin', and lifted a leg to leave your territorial marking.

And look at the quality of the rest of your post: not an argument in sight, just a stream of your aromatic urine. If I were to enter a thread in that way, just imagine the outrage. Your post will of course pass without objection from any of the usual outragees, or from any moderator. Yet I'm the one who's regularly vilified (and even banned) for allegedly being an incorrigible Mister Nasty who just can't control himself and only ever spreads "vitriol".
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Novem5er » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:40 pm

Even though I agree with brekin, I have to be fair:

demanding people turn in their mickey mouse ears is an insult and an attack on the poster, not on the argument itself . . . which is what I've accused Mac and guruilla of doing in the past.

tsk tsk, breken!
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