‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

[MacCruiskeen]

You said you agree with Mac, but exactly how Mac feels is not altogether obvious to differentiate from his generally dismissive tone. I say this as someone who has been reading his posts for many years and still occasionally finds his drift difficult to pin.

OP ED, I don't have a "generally dismissive tone". I'm very selective about what I dismiss and what I don't.

Several times over the last few days I've been on the verge of saying, in this thread: "For the record, I think it's much the likeliest explanation that this was merely a student prank." But then, each time, I thought: "Nah, nope, not gonna do it" - for reasons I would have thought I'd made amply clear over the last ten pages, and not least on this page a couple of posts back:

Days later, I'm still amazed by the fact that about ten people actually went through with this - moving slowly, and casting giant shadows in a well-lit and highly-visible open space! -- in the full knowledge that the entire CERN site is heavily protected, bristling with surveillance cameras and routinely patrolled by security guards. If it's true that they all had CERN passes, and if it really was a mock execution, then how can they all have been so completely unworried by the prospect of losing their jobs or their permission to study there??

I second guruilla's very good question about the expected pay-off from this prank, if it was a prank. Because it would have to be a very strong payoff to compensate for the distinct likelihood of a ruined career.

The more this incident is poo-poohed by detestable publications such as HuffPo, the Guardian, and VICE (and the Torygraph, and the FAZ, and Le Monde -- all of 'em, in instant unanimity), and the more hooting and hollering and territorial pissing there is from the usual powerworshipping yahoos at The New RI, the more it strikes me how very poor -- how insultingly poor, really -- CERN's purported explanation really is. [ON EDIT :link.]

[brekin]

Why is the cameraman filming the frame he is for 10 seconds before the hooded cast walks onto frame? Why doesn't he seem surprised at all when they do? "giggle, wtf?".

You didn't even bother to read the thread, brekin, did you? No, obviously you didn't. You simply barged in on page 10, a-huffin' and a puffin', and lifted a leg to leave your territorial marking.

And look at the quality of the rest of your post: not an argument in sight, just a stream of your aromatic urine. If I were to enter a thread in that way, just imagine the outrage. Your post will of course pass without objection from any of the usual outragees, or from any moderator. Yet I'm the one who's regularly vilified (and even banned) for allegedly being an incorrigible Mister Nasty who just can't control himself and only ever spreads "vitriol".

To even engage in conversation in this thread is an insult to both of our intelligence's. That this thread has ten pages is a mark of how bad things have become. But pray tell, what major insight was gleaned in the ten pages that I might have missed? Was there some deep Kubrickian significance unveiled? Or some numerology that sheds light on the events? Or the meta-philosophical insight that even though the entire event was staged, it was really real, because it was staged and people think its real, even though they know it really is not real, but want it to be real?

Even though I agree with brekin, I have to be fair:

demanding people turn in their mickey mouse ears is an insult and an attack on the poster, not on the argument itself . . . which is what I've accused Mac and guruilla of doing in the past.

tsk tsk, breken!

Your right. I've gone too far. Everyone gets to keep their mickey mouse ears.

[MacCruiskeen]

To even engage in conversation in this thread is an insult to both of our intelligence's. [sic] That this thread has ten pages is a mark of how bad things have become. But pray tell, what major insight was gleaned in the ten pages that I might have missed?

Nope, I'm not doing your homework for you.

That's the quality of thought I have come to expect from you, brekin, and from your kneejerk-powerworshipping pals at The New RI: behind all the bluster and insult and LOLs and ROTFLs, nothing but helplessness and hollowness. There's no there there. Not an argument in sight. Just a desperate desire to make your wonderfully impressive ego's presence felt at all costs.

It's most instructive to watch, but personally I've seen more than enough of it now, so goodnight.

[OP ED]

I haven't detected an over abundance of nuance. Although the condescension is so thick you might think a storm was brewing. So I will attempt again to simply request clarification as regards your point of view. Whenever you're ready of course. I'm sure Mac at least can be more forthright without taking offense that I didn't memorize his earlier posts in this rather tedious thread.

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If it was directed at me, and that wasn't clear, it would be the first time I've been called a neoliberal here sincd perhaps the 2008 American elections. Maybe longer. Usually this comes from either conservative christians who still think "liberal" means something relevant or from strict Marxists who view my radicalism unfavorably because I think violent overthrow of existing power structures is likely to misfire. Technically, I'm a registered green, ideally demarchist. I have strong libertarian proclivities due to being raised by farm people who love guns and therefore perhaps a slightly conservative reactionary bias despite having been educated otherwise. I'm not nearly as at-ease around queens and vegans as my overt philosophy suggests.

Re: Crowley: etc::

I'm not sure how he was mentioned here to begin with. I'm vaguely aware of context free quotations regarding one of his essays on sacrifice (from book 4)

He can't be invoked as a subject expert, and then immediately be ignored as a subject expert. Either the initiated interpretation is standard or all his statements on the subject are false. It can't be both ways.

I was making a plain statement of fact with regard to orthodox readings of Crowley. I have been initiated in the Ordo Templi Orientis for 16 years. I can assure you that if they had secrets left to sell, they would have divulged them long ago to pay their rent. This is not a wealthy and powerful organization. I drifted away because of how boring they are. Not nearly evil enough to be useful at anything. That most of these readings involved little more than rather vanilla if perhaps "gay" sexual congress has been so unquestionably obvious to anyone with membership in the inner order is beyond doubt in my mind. This is why they go to such great lengths to convince prostitutes of their machismo. Much like the beast himself. (he makes reference to this defect in his character in the quoted portion above)

Oh. He sacrificed some (3) doves, too. I believe this is also alluded to in the aforementioned quotation. The goat story is rather funny actually. Reminds me of talks with my childhood farming neighbors. I honestly don't find animals being sacrificed anywhere near as offensive as the world scale horrors of factory death that await most livestock. Completely disregard the death as having any valueas they (everyone) blithely purchase the creature's remains shrink-wrapped from the supermarket. Much worse.

Never personally sacrificed anything bigger than a chicken myself. Fucker fucking scared me witless when it seemingly attacks immediately after its decapitation. I always thought that was just something people said. And I did it a lot nicer than Tyson does fwiw, I have seen the peta videos. Tasted great too. With some green beans and corn both hand grown. I'll never forget it. Of course, Erzulie got the first pickings, but still.

Moderns are too divorced from the reality of where their food comes from.

You can't easily equate human and animal sacrifice as being morally equivalent. Not if you're a moralist at any rate.

But yes, orthodox Crowley aside, there is a great tradition of human sacrifice, especially in the western tradition. First Abraham and his son(s) which were replaced by an early recorded traditional animal killing. Then Jepthah's daughter. Then there's Jesus, whose flesh is still being consumed by a billion people a couple thousand years later. On the political side of sacrifice we have an endless series of wars, some state executions and a few witchhunts over the last dozen centuries.

[OP ED]

Thanks Mac for that clarification. I did read all of this, but reading three layers of quoting is sometimes rough on the immediate recall. I also drink during the time I find to do this, so this likely contributes.

But no, you are generally dismissive. That's actually what I like most about you. It reminds me of me, and I like myself rather a lot. I think you misunderstand it as an insult. In fact you're generally correct in your dismissal. Just don't let it habituate away your natural allies.

I'm more interested in the whys and wherefore of this videos viral dispersal than its supposed "reality", which not being a believer in global mega-conspiracies, I consider police business.

I also consider this important of itself for aesthetic judgements regarding the video.
(Which aesthetics are NOT all learned, but that's definitely another thread)

[MacCruiskeen]

I haven't detected an over abundance of nuance. Although the condescension is so thick you might think a storm was brewing. So I will attempt again to simply request clarification as regards your point of view. Whenever you're ready of course. I'm sure Mac at least can be more forthright without taking offense that I didn't memorize his earlier posts in this rather tedious thread.

OP ED, I responded upthread. Hope it's clear enough. [ON EDIT: ok, our posts crossed.] As for your question to guruilla: he can answer for himself, but this is what he said a couple of pages back:

For the record, I do not believe the video shows an actual murder; I simply know that I don't know what it shows

Clear enough, surely?

As for guruilla's "condescension": yes, he was a little condescending, eventually; but then he had every right to be, considering what he's been up against here. In fact he was remarkably patient for a remarkably long time. No one can say that his engagement with this thread has been less than serious throughout.

There are too many people at The New RI (I am not suggesting you're one of them, OP ED) who feel entitled to post complete and utter shite, often repeatedly, and still expect to have it received indulgently, every single time. The howls of outrage when anyone has the temerity to get a wee bit exasperated, a tiny bit sardonic! The accusations of bullying and snobbery!

And yes, this is a fairly recent development. RI was not always a Safe Space for rank stupidity, nor was it expected to be. On the contrary.

[OP ED]

We'll see

[OP ED]

(I did miss you Mac)

(Don't you recall that it always fills up with a perfect cross section of variations on troll anatomy as a prelude to a general American election, historically there's a few creepy plants amongst them?)

(Why do you think I am here, now?)

(to help, of course, with the weeding)

(Right now I am still looking for professional trolls, no luck yet)

(This is the most ludicrous election in history so you're likely to encounter the most ludicrous trolls, especially if they be professionals, you get what you pay for)

(I would really only caution you against being baited by pro burners or else distracted by drifters from the tasks at hand)

[MacCruiskeen]

(I would really only caution you against being baited by pro burners or else distracted by drifters from the tasks at hand)

Yeah, god knows there are enough tasks at hand.

I feel that we are approaching Peak Idiocy, though that probably just marks me out as an incorrigible optimist. No doubt there are still many large undiscovered fields left to be tapped.

I will now slaughter a carrot in your honour.

(what's a pro burner?)

[brekin]

Re: ‘Intellectual sacrifice’ staged at RI's General Discussion

Well, as a representative of the New RI, and an abject power worshipper, I have to say this thread is epitome of the "Parallel Universe RI" where mythworshipping posters now argue over fake doggy doo as to whether it is real or fake.

The video in question is a bad satire student film, not even a for class student film, but just made by students who obviously took an idea that snowballed while stoned into somebody actually getting a hold of a bunch of black robes. That some people think this is real, while spending inordinate amount time to prove that many/most other topics posted about aren't real (being staged and/or amplified or completely gov/black ops) shows how powerful the will to believe is for some.

I hope I have made my wonderfully impressive ego's presence felt. I hope I have outlined how there, is there. I hope I have lessened the helplessness and filled hollowness. Now excuse me while I return to kowtowing to my shrine of Henry Kissinger. Who also seems to have something to say on this matter.



Hare Kissinger, Hare Kissinger, Kissinger Kissinger,
Hare Kissinger, Hare Kissinger, Kissinger Kissinger,
Hare Kissinger, Hare Kissinger, Kissinger Kissinger,
Hare Kissinger, Hare Kissinger, Kissinger Kissinger,
Hare Kissinger, Hare Kissinger, Kissinger Kissinger

[MacCruiskeen]

[OP ED]

(Someone who gets paid by someone to shut down discussion by any means necessary)

[MacCruiskeen]

Ah, right.

(Your response was exquisitely well-timed, OP ED. Chapeau!)

[OP ED]

Brekin makes perhaps a more interesting point than was intended, which is more what I find interesting: how interesting all of this nonsense has been made to be.

[MacCruiskeen]

Nah, guruilla made the same point much more interestingly (and much less drunkenly) many pages back (which b. might have noticed if he'd bothered to read the thread before pissing in it).