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Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist
He claims to have “a great relationship with the blacks,” which is totally something a normal person would say.
02/29/2016 05:17 pm ET | Updated Aug 11, 2016

Lydia O’Connor
Reporter, The Huffington Post
Daniel Marans


Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump may have failed to disavow the Ku Klux Klan in late February, but he’ll have you know he is not racist. In fact, he claims to be “the least racist person that you have ever met,” and last summer he pulled out the old standby about not having a racist bone in his body.

But he hasn’t given us a lot of reason to believe that. In fact, despite Trump’s protests to the contrary, he has a long history of saying and doing racist things. It’s not really surprising that he’s won the support and praise of the country’s white supremacists.

Here’s a running list of some of the most glaringly racist things associated with Trump. We’re sure we’ll be adding to it soon.

Khizr Khan holding up a copy of the Constitution at the Democratic National Convention on July 28, 2016. Ghazala Khan (L) stood at his side, but did not speak.
He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents

Trump’s retaliation against the parents of a Muslim U.S. Army officer who died while serving in the Iraq War was a clear low point in a campaign full of hateful rhetoric.

Khizr Khan, the father of the late Army Captain Humayun Khan, spoke out against Trump’s bigoted rhetoric and disregard for civil liberties at the Democratic National Convention on July 28. It quickly became the most memorable moment of the convention.

“Let me ask you, have you even read the U.S. Constitution?” Khan asked Trump before pulling a copy of the document from his jacket pocket and holding it up. “I will gladly lend you my copy,” he declared.

Khan’s wife Ghazala Khan, who wears a Muslim head scarf, stood at his side during the speech but did not speak.

In response to the devastating speech, Trump seized on Ghazala Khan’s silence to insinuate that she was forbidden from speaking due to the couple’s Islamic faith.

“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in an interview with ABC News that first appeared on July 30.

Ghazala Khan explained in an op-ed in the Washington Post the following day that she could not speak because of grief over her son.

“Walking onto the convention stage, with a huge picture of my son behind me, I could hardly control myself. What mother could?” she wrote. “Donald Trump has children whom he loves. Does he really need to wonder why I did not speak?”

He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

In May, Trump implied that Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge presiding over a class action against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.

“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN of Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

Curiel, it should be noted, is an American citizen who was born in Indiana. And as a prosecutor in the late 1990s, he went after Mexican drug cartels, making him a target for assassination by a Tijuana drug lord.

Even members of Trump’s own party slammed the racist remarks.

“Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment,” House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in a reaction to Trump’s comments, though he clarified that he still endorses the nominee.

The comments against Curiel didn’t sit well with the American public either. According to a YouGov poll released in June, 51 percent of those surveyed agreed that Trump’s comments were not only wrong, but also racist.Fifty-seven percent of Americans think Trump was wrong to complain against the judge, while just 20 percent think he was right to do so.

When asked whether he would trust a Muslim judge, in light of his proposed restrictions on Muslim immigration, Trump suggested that such a judge might not be fair to him either.

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

When Trump was serving as the president of his family’s real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973, the Justice Department sued the company for alleged racial discrimination against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available. Trump called those accusations “absolutely ridiculous” and sued the Justice Department for $100 million in damages for defamation.

Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities. Trump also agreed to send weekly vacancy lists for his 15,000 apartments to the New York Urban League, a civil rights group, and to allow the NYUL to present qualified applicants for vacancies in certain Trump properties.

Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren’t available.

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker for a September article. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has also faced charges of reneging on commitments to hire black people. In 1996, 20 African Americans in Indiana sued Trump for failing to honor a promise to hire mostly minority workers for a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan.


Apparently Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) does not mind Trump’s racism. Sessions endorsed the GOP front-runner on Monday.
He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him

Three times in a row on Feb. 28, Trump sidestepped opportunities to renounce white nationalist and former KKK leader David Duke, who told his radio audience last week that voting for any candidate other than Trump is “really treason to your heritage.”

When asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if he would condemn Duke and say he didn’t want a vote from him or any other white supremacists, Trump claimed that he didn’t know anything about white supremacists or about Duke himself. When Tapper pressed him twice more, Trump said he couldn’t condemn a group he hadn’t yet researched.

By Feb. 29, Trump was saying that in fact he does disavow Duke, and that the only reason he didn’t do so on CNN was because of a “lousy earpiece.” Video of the exchange, however, shows Trump responding quickly to Tapper’s questions with no apparent difficulty in hearing.

It’s preposterous to think that Trump doesn’t know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him. Reports of neo-Nazi groups rallying around Trump go back as far as August.

His white supremacist fan club includes the Daily Stormer, a leading neo-Nazi news site; Richard Spencer, director of the National Policy Institute, which aims to promote the “heritage, identity, and future of European people”; Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance, a Virginia-based white nationalist magazine; Michael Hill, head of the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist secessionist group; and Brad Griffin, a member of Hill’s League of the South and author of the popular white supremacist blog Hunter Wallace.

A leader of the Virginia KKK who is backing Trump told a local TV reporter earlier this month, “The reason a lot of Klan members like Donald Trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in.”

And most recently, the Trump campaign announced that one of its California primary delegates was William Johnson, chair of the white nationalist American Freedom Party. The Trump campaign subsequently said his inclusion was a mistake, and Johnson withdrew his name at their request.



He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States

Long before calling Mexican immigrants “criminals” and “rapists,” Trump was a leading proponent of “birtherism,” the racist conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is thus an illegitimate president. Trump claimed in 2011 to have sent people to Hawaii to investigate whether Obama was really born there. He insisted at the time that the researchers “cannot believe what they are finding.”

Obama ultimately got the better of Trump, releasing his long-form birth certificate and relentlessly mocking the real estate mogul about it at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner that year.

But Trump continues to insinuate that the president was not born in the country.

“I don’t know where he was born,” Trump said in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Saturday. (Again, for the record: He was born in Hawaii.)

He treats racial groups as monoliths

Like many racial instigators, Trump often answers accusations of bigotry by loudly protesting that he actually loves the group in question. But that’s just as uncomfortable to hear, because he’s still treating all the members of the group — all the individual human beings — as essentially the same and interchangeable. Language is telling, here: Virtually every time Trump mentions a minority group, he uses the definite article the, as in “the Hispanics,” “the Muslims” and “the blacks.”

In that sense, Trump’s defensive explanations are of a piece with his slander of minorities. Both rely on essentializing racial and ethnic groups, blurring them into simple, monolithic entities, instead of acknowledging that there’s as much variety among Muslims and Latinos and black people as there is among white people.

How did Trump respond to the outrage last year that followed his characterization of Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists?

“I’ll take jobs back from China, I’ll take jobs back from Japan,” Trump said during his visit to the U.S.-Mexican border in July. “The Hispanics are going to get those jobs, and they’re going to love Trump.”

“The Hispanics are going to get those jobs, and they’re going to love Trump.”
Donald Trump, July 2015
How did Trump respond to critics of his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the U.S.?

“I’m doing good for the Muslims,” Trump told CNN in December. “Many Muslim friends of mine are in agreement with me. They say, ‘Donald, you brought something up to the fore that is so brilliant and so fantastic.’”

Not long before he called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country, Trump was proclaiming his affection for “the Muslims,” disagreeing with rival candidate Ben Carson’s claim in September that being a Muslim should disqualify someone from running for president.

“I love the Muslims. I think they’re great people,” Trump said, insisting that he would be willing to name a Muslim to his presidential cabinet.

How did Trump respond to the people who called him out for funding an investigation into whether Obama was born in the United States?

“I have a great relationship with the blacks,” Trump said in April 2011. “I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.”

Even when Trump has dropped the definite article “the,” his attempts at praising minority groups he has previously slandered have been offensive.

Look no further than the infamous Cinco de Mayo taco bowl tweet:


Former Republican presidential candidate and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) had a good breakdown of everything that was wrong with Trump’s comment.

“It’s like eating a watermelon and saying ‘I love African-Americans,’” Bush quipped.

He trashed Native Americans, too

In 1993, when Trump wanted to open a casino in Bridgeport, Connecticut, that would compete with one owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Nation, a local Native American tribe, he told the House subcommittee on Native American Affairs that “they don’t look like Indians to me... They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”

Trump then elaborated on those remarks, which were unearthed last year in the Hartford Courant, by saying the mafia had infiltrated Indian casinos.


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In the 1980s, Donald Trump was much younger, but just as racist as he is now.
He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five

In 1989, Trump took out full-page ads in four New York City-area newspapers calling for the return of the death penalty in New York and the expansion of police authority in response to the infamous case of a woman who was beaten and raped while jogging in Manhattan’s Central Park.

“They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes,” Trump wrote, referring to the Central Park attackers and other violent criminals. “I want to hate these murderers and I always will.”

The public outrage over the Central Park jogger rape, at a time when the city was struggling with high crime, led to the wrongful conviction of five teenagers of color known as the Central Park Five.

The men’s convictions were overturned in 2002, after they’d already spent years in prison, when DNA evidence showed they did not commit the crime. Today, their case is considered a cautionary tale about a politicized criminal justice process.

Trump, however, still thinks the men are guilty.

He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester

At a November campaign rally in Alabama, Trump supporters physically attacked an African-American protester after the man began chanting “Black lives matter.” Video of the incident shows the assailants kicking the man after he has already fallen to the ground.

The following day, Trump implied that the attackers were justified.

“Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up,” he mused. “It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”


Trump’s dismissive attitude toward the protester is part of a larger, troubling pattern of instigating violence toward protesters at campaign events that has singled out people of color.

One reason Trump may have exhibited special disdain for that particular demonstrator in November, however, is because he believes the entire Black Lives Matter movement lacks legitimate policy grievances. He alluded to these views in an interview with the New York Times magazine this week when he described Ferguson, Missouri, as one of the most dangerous places in America. The small St. Louis suburb is not even in the top 20 highest-crime municipalities in the country.

He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”

Trump’s racial incitement has already inspired hate crimes. Two brothers arrested in Boston last summer for beating up a homeless Latino man cited Trump’s anti-immigrant message when explaining why they did it.

“Donald Trump was right — all these illegals need to be deported,” one of the men reportedly told police officers.

Trump did not even bother to distance himself from them. Instead, he suggested that the men were well-intentioned and had simply gotten carried away.

“I will say that people who are following me are very passionate,” Trump said. “They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”


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Trump’s daughter Ivanka, second from left, converted to Judaism in 2009. That has not stopped Trump from bringing up anti-Semitic stereotypes.
He stereotyped Jews as shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremacists

When Trump addressed the Republican Jewish Coalition in December, he tried to relate to the crowd by invoking the stereotype of Jews as talented and cunning businesspeople.

“I’m a negotiator, like you folks,” Trump told the crowd, touting his book The Art of the Deal.

“Is there anyone who doesn’t renegotiate deals in this room?” Trump said. “Perhaps more than any room I’ve spoken to.”

But that wasn’t even the most offensive thing Trump told his Jewish audience. He implied that he had little chance of earning the Jewish Republican group’s support, because his fealty could not be bought with campaign donations.

“You’re not going to support me, because I don’t want your money,” he said. “You want to control your own politician.”

Ironically, Trump has many close Jewish family members. His daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism in 2009 before marrying the real estate mogul Jared Kushner. Trump and Kushner raise their two children in an observant Jewish home.

Then in July, Trump tweeted an anti-Semitic Hillary Clinton meme that featured a photo of her over a backdrop of $100 bills with a six-pointed Jewish Star of David next to her face.

“Crooked Hillary - - Makes History!” he wrote in the tweet, which also read “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever” over the star.


THE HUFFINGTON POST
The holy symbol was co-opted by the Nazis during World War II when they forced Jews to sew it onto their clothing. Using the symbol over a pile of money is blatantly anti-Semitic and re-enforces hateful stereotypes of Jewish greed.

But Trump insisted the image was harmless.

“The sheriff’s badge ― which is available under Microsoft’s ‘shapes’ ― fit with the theme of corrupt Hillary and that is why I selected it,” he said in a statement.

Mic, however, discovered that the the meme was actually created by white supremacists and could be found on a neo-Nazi forum more than a week before Trump shared it. Additionally, a watermark on the image leads to a Twitter account that regularly tweets racist, sexist political memes.

He treats African-American supporters as tokens to dispel the idea he is racist

At a campaign appearance in California in June, Trump boasted that he had a black supporter in the crowd, saying “look at my African American over here.”

“Look at him,” Trump continued. “Are you the greatest?”

Trump went on to imply that the media conceals his appeal among African Americans by not covering the crowd more attentively.

“We have tremendous African-American support,” he said. “The reason is I’m going to bring jobs back to our country.”

In fact, Trump has the lowest level of African-American support of any Republican presidential nominee since 1948, according to FiveThirtyEight. As of the most recent polling, just 2 percent of black voters plan to vote for him ― fewer than the percentage who plan to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson.

It’s may not be surprising that Trump has brought so much racial animus into the 2016 election cycle, given his family history. His father, Fred Trump, was the target of folk singer Woody Guthrie’s lyrics after Guthrie lived for two years in a building owned by Trump pere: “I suppose / Old Man Trump knows / Just how much / Racial hate / He stirred up / In the bloodpot of human hearts.”

And last fall, a news report from 1927 surfaced on the site Boing Boing, revealing that Fred Trump was arrested that year following a KKK riot in Queens. It’s not clear exactly what the elder Trump was doing there or what role he may have played in the riot. Donald Trump, for his part, has categorically denied (except when he’s ambiguously denied) that anything of the sort ever happened.

Editor’s note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:35 pm

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2016, explained

Updated by German Lopez on July 26, 2016, 8:30 a.m. ET @germanrlopez german.lopez@vox.com


It’s been said again and again throughout the 2016 campaign: Donald Trump is a racist.

Behind this criticism is not just Trump’s remarks on the campaign trail. Trump, in fact, has been criticized for being racist for much of his career, from his start as a landlord in the 1970s to his repeated accusations that President Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US.

This long history is important. It would be one thing if Trump made just a few racist remarks; one, two, or even three of these types of comments might just show a bad speaker who’s seriously racially insensitive, not necessarily a full-blown racist. Maybe even on the campaign trail, Trump is just an opportunist, saying things he doesn’t really believe to rile up voters.

But when you take all of Trump’s actions and comments, a clear pattern emerges — one that suggests that bigotry is not just campaign opportunism on Trump’s part but a real element of Trump’s personality, character, and career.

Let’s break down Trump’s history of racism, his recent campaign comments, and what exactly they mean.

Trump has a long history of racist controversies

Donald Trump around 1980.
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The first time Trump reportedly appeared in the pages of the New York Times, as my colleague Dara Lind reported, was when the Department of Justice sued him for racial discrimination. Since then, he has repeatedly appeared in newspaper pages across the world as he inspired more similar controversies.

Here’s a breakdown of his history, taken largely from Lind’s list and a recent op-ed by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times:

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.
1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of "stripping the United States of economic dignity." This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the "Central Park Five" — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, "BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!" The teens’ convictions were later vacated, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump argued that because they were probably, according to him, involved in other criminal activity that night, they were treated too well.
1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control." Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that "the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true."
2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a "record of criminal activity [that] is well documented."
2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. "You're an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything," Trump said on the show. "At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’"
2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he "wasn't particularly happy" with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering "an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world."
2010: Just a few years ago, there was a huge national controversy over the "Ground Zero Mosque" — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it "insensitive," and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, "Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff."
2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama's birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a "carnival barker."
2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, "I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?"
For many people, none of these incidents, individually, would be totally damning: One of these alone might suggest that Trump is simply a bad speaker and perhaps racially insensitive (not "politically correct," as he would put it), but not overtly racist.

But when you put all these events together, a clear pattern emerges. At the very least, Trump has a history of playing into people’s racism to bolster himself — and that likely says something about him, too.

And of course, there’s his presidential campaign.

On the campaign trail, Trump has made many more racist comments


On top of all that history, Trump has repeatedly made racist — often explicitly so — remarks on the campaign trail. Here’s a running list:

Trump launched his campaign calling Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime" and "bringing drugs" to the US. His campaign is largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.
He called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. He has since expanded this ban to include anyone from specific countries, including possibly France and Germany.
When asked at a Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, "I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them."
He argued that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who’s overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who’s endorsed Trump, later called such comments "the textbook definition of a racist comment."
Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweets messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, "Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!" The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.
Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who has said she has Cherokee ancestors, as "Pocahontas."
At the Republican convention, he officially seized the mantle of the "law and order" candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low.
Once again, there’s a pattern of racism and bigotry here that suggests Trump isn’t just misspeaking. It is who he is.

Are Trump’s actions and comments "racist"? Or are they "bigoted"?


One of the common defenses for Trump is that he’s not necessarily racist, because Muslim and Mexican people don’t actually comprise a race. Several pundits have made this argument throughout Trump’s campaign.

Journalist Mark Halperin, for example, said as much when Trump argued Judge Curiel should recuse himself from the Trump University case because of his Mexican heritage, making the astute observation that "Mexico isn’t a race."

Kristof made a similar point in the New York Times: "My view is that ‘racist’ can be a loaded word, a conversation stopper more than a clarifier, and that we should be careful not to use it simply as an epithet. Moreover, Muslims and Latinos can be of any race, so some of those statements technically reflect not so much racism as bigotry. It’s also true that with any single statement, it is possible that Trump misspoke or was misconstrued."

This critique misses the point on two levels.

For one, the argument is tremendously semantic. It’s essentially probing the question: Is Trump racist or is he bigoted? But who cares? Neither is a trait that anyone should want in a presidential candidate — and either label essentially communicates the same criticism.

Another issue is that race is socially malleable. Over the years, Americans considered Germans, Greeks, Irish, Italians, and Spaniards as nonwhite. That’s changed. Similarly, some Americans today consider Latinos and, to a lesser degree, some people with Muslim and Jewish backgrounds as part of a nonwhite race, too. (As a Latino man, I certainly consider myself to be of a different race, and the treatment I’ve received in the course of my life appears to validate that.) So under current definitions, comments against these groups are, indeed, racist.

This is all possible because, as Jenée Desmond-Harris explained for Vox, race is entirely a social construct with no biological basis. This doesn’t mean race and people’s views of race don’t have real effects on many people — of course they do! — but it means that people’s definitions of race can change over time.

But really, whatever you want to call it, Trump has made racist and bigoted comments in the past. That much should be clear in the long lists above.

Whatever one calls it, Trump’s bigotry is a key part of his campaign

Donald Trump and his family at the Republican convention.
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Regardless of how one labels it, Trump’s racism or bigotry is a big part of his campaign — by giving a candidate to the surprisingly many white Americans with huge levels of racial resentment.

One analysis from Daniel Byrd and Loren Collingwood, for instance, found white Trump supporters are much more likely to show high levels of racial resentment than white Americans overall.


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But Trump’s comments are also hurting him with other voters. Polls have found that support for Trump among black voters, for example, is as low as zero percent in some swing states and 1 percent nationally. In comparison, Mitt Romney got 6 percent of the black vote in 2012 running against the reelection of the nation’s first black president.

This goes against the big goal of the Republicans’ 2013 "autopsy" report, which was supposed to offer a guide after the party’s big loss in 2012. It suggested some of the ways the party could increase support among minority voters — including improved lines of communication. Instead, Republicans got Trump.

This gets to a key point in the 2016 election: Trump can deny his racism or bigotry all he wants. (He has repeatedly told reporters that he’s "the least racist person that you’ve ever encountered.") But at some level, his supporters and opponents get it. As much as his history of racism may show that he’s racist, perhaps who’s supporting or opposing him and why is just as revealing — and it doesn’t paint a favorable picture for Trump.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:49 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:29 pm wrote:Trump is every bit as owned by Goldman Sachs as Hillary -- his fucking campaign manager is ex-Goldman, a Harvard man! I'm through the looking glass on the whole "Elites in Terror of Trump" narrative. They've been happy to tolerate him for decades and nothing, but nothing, has changed. It's just reverse psychology at this point, gleeful cognitive dissonance. "OH, NOT TRUMP! NOT HIM, PLEASE NO! LOL"


Who are you referring to here? His campaign manager (as of last week) is Kellyanne Conway, a woman, and she went to George Washington U and is not ex-Goldman Sachs.

I still have the question that no one has satisfactorily answered: if Trump is "every bit as owned by GS" as Hillary, then why are nearly the entire political establishment and their concomitant media lapdogs doing everything they can to take him down? They want someone who is electable, no? If Trump were getting the positive coverage that Hillary gets on a regular basis, then he'd win in a landslide and the corporate elite could rest easy that another 4 years of war and escalation is ensured. I don't buy it.

There's something more going on here. Not saying he's a rugged individualist, but Trump is certainly aligned with some other faction that is not interested in business as usual. For better or worse. & I assume better, because I honestly don't believe things could get any worse than what we have now.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:54 pm

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:49 pm wrote:Who are you referring to here? His campaign manager (as of last week) is Kellyanne Conway, a woman, and she went to George Washington U and is not ex-Goldman Sachs.


Stephen K. Bannon. Appointed last week.

I still have the question that no one has satisfactorily answered: if Trump is "every bit as owned by GS" as Hillary, then why are nearly the entire political establishment and their concomitant media lapdogs doing everything they can to take him down?


If there's no appearance of a contested election, there is no ad spending. I don't think it's a coincidence that the "entire political establishment" has been tripling down when the facts on the ground look like this.

We've been doing the whole Controlled Opposition act for centuries now; it's a system that works.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:59 pm

And to be clear, I don't mean to imply that huge pushback is all kayfabe -- there is genuine, visceral disdain for Trump.

I think a lot of that is his disregard for narratives and his contempt for the role he's supposed to play.

Trump is winning with a Reality TV / Pro Wrestling approach, and that offends the shit out of people who believe Decision 2016 is a prestige cable drama that deserves every Emmy award in sight.

Again.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby brekin » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:07 pm

Agent Orange Cooper wrtote:

There's something more going on here. Not saying he's a rugged individualist, but Trump is certainly aligned with some other faction that is not interested in business as usual. For better or worse. & I assume better, because I honestly don't believe things could get any worse than what we have now.


Mmh, some other faction?
But not interested in business as usual?
Now, who could that be?
But of course things couldn't get any worse than we have now.
Because this obviously is the worst period in history ever.

Because really what is breaking rocks in a gulag compared to openly complaining about your government in front of a computer all day?

Scoffer pleaze.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:17 pm

what that racist misogynist draft dodging pig has said about Mexicans...women....Muslims ..hiring holocaust deniers....White Nationalists ....friends of dictators ....the lest he can do is stand naked in the street...fucking sleaze ball

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The first national Trump commercial came out today and it has this guy in it..........The Puppeteer: John Tanton and the Nativist Movement


Top Trump adviser is fighting claims he questioned Holocaust history


Fears of ‘alt-right’ anti-Semitic support for Trump mark latest campaign hire

Schmitz has called the accusations defamatory, but reports of anti-Semitic tendencies at the top of the Trump team reinforce the narrative.

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Donald Trump’s companies have at least $650 million in debt and one of the lenders is the Bank of China ..not a racist thing but still

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Breitbart/Bannon.....White Fucking Nationalists

He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents

He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him

He treats racial groups as monoliths

He trashed Native Americans

He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States

He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester

He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”

The holy symbol was co-opted by the Nazis during World War II when they forced Jews to sew it onto their clothing. Using the symbol over a pile of money is blatantly anti-Semitic and re-enforces hateful stereotypes of Jewish greed.

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2016, explained
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/d ... sm-history

Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.



BUT I FUCKING REPEAT MYSELF
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:35 pm

Ignoring the troll-bait spewed forth while I was composing this reply to Gentleman Wombat:

Ah, the Breitbart guy. Minor quibble, but he's not the campaign manager, he's the Chief Executive Officer! Just to complete the WWE-ification of the election process...

Bannon's Wikipedia history is so spookish it'd give Miles Mathis a stroke, but that in itself doesn't prove the idea of Trump as controlled opposition in the traditional sense. Monolithic conspiracies don't exist, we the enlightened few should all realize this. There are at any time a minimum of forty-two conspiracies going on at once. So if the game was to prop Trump up there simply to boost TV ratings and make Hillary look like the better option, well, that plan makes close to zero sense because they could have just as easily run any of the other Republican candidates to the same effect, and in fact to much greater effect, because it turns out that Trump is 1000% better as a candidate than Cruz or Christie or Bush, and he has been pulling exactly zero punches when it comes to Hillary. So it's clear to me from reading the tea-leaves of CNN's fake news coverage, that they are in scramble mode.

I am looking forward to the debates with bated breath. I don't think they want Hillary anywhere near that debate stage and would not be surprised if some sort of Eva Marie-esque health crisis or bad traffic prevents her from attending, or if they were cancelled altogether.

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Trump is winning with a Reality TV / Pro Wrestling approach, and that offends the shit out of people who believe Decision 2016 is a prestige cable drama that deserves every Emmy award in sight.


Exactly right. He is out-kayfabing the kayfabers. I also half-wonder if election night goes off with a rigged win for Hillary, which Trump's rabid fanbase takes on (possibly in violent protest form) and the whole facade comes crashing down, in keeping with the 2016, Year of the Tower Trump Card mytharc we are currently living out.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:38 pm

These are from Trump's mouth piece Breitbart

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:49 pm

I should expect some young white males to be attracted to Trump
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:31 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:49 pm wrote:I should expect some young white males to be attracted to Trump


I wasn't! When I was young, I mean. Still male and white, though.

Trump wouldn't be where he is without the greatest free ride that media ever, ever bestowed. Billions in free air time. Billions. Worth much more than his alleged fortune. Three times the airtime Clinton got, never mind Sanders! Cannot be said often enough, because there are those who want to cover up immediately recent history on this very board. And now that the media are "reporting negatively" on him (most of the time still simply by relating the racist and violent shit he says every day, out of his own mouth), it's a horror! A horror!
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:31 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:20 pm

Trump’s White Supremacist Factor
August 22, 2016

The darkest part of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is its white nationalist element with some white male supremacists seeing Trump as the way to protect their historical dominance of America, says Nicholas C. Arguimbau.

By Nicholas C. Arguimbau

America has been a nation of white male supremacists from Day One. They “bought” Manhattan Island from the Indians for $24. They safeguarded slavery in the Constitution. They bought the Louisiana Purchase from the French but stole the land from the Indians, and then took the Southwest from the Mexicans. They settled what was left of the Indians on reservations in the most uninhabitable land on the continent where they live in poverty inconceivable to the rest of us.

White males have nonetheless done some great and noble things. When they declared our independence from England, they could have said, “Get out of our hair; we can make more money without you.” Instead, they wrote, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

“–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

When 240 years later Sen. Bernie Sanders declared a political revolution, he could not have said it better, and not one word would have needed to be changed. Yet, the draftsmen in 1776 set the scene for their own demise should they fail in their duties and indubitably they have failed.

But who were the “we” who perceived that governments “derive their just powers from the consent of the governed”? Portrayed by the white male artist John Trumbull, the signers of the Declaration of Independence are a room full of white males. No exceptions. In other words, the “governed” at the time of the Revolution were white males.

Thus, governments in that world derived their just powers from white males, and there wasn’t any dispute about it. It was just the way things were.

Lincoln’s Racism

A few decades later, nothing had changed about the dominance of white males in America, and Honest Abe Lincoln spoke with unquestioned authority when he said in the Lincoln-Douglas debates in 1858:abrahamlincoln-16

“I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of … making voters or jurors of Negroes nor of qualifying them to hold office nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

A clearer statement of the principle of white supremacy could not be made, and if it was good enough for Honest Abe — maybe he believed what he was saying and maybe he didn’t, but he is perceived to have won the debates — who can doubt that such a racist attitude remains good enough today for a substantial portion of the white population.

Don’t let yourself forget that Donald Trump didn’t create the Trump phenomenon. The voters who gave him a clear victory in the Republican primaries did. And the Trump campaign, only weeks ago, was neck-and-neck with the Democratic candidate.

Honest Abe’s support of white supremacy has lingered and festered these many years, although, slowly, legal protection of racial and ethnic and gender “minorities” has taken hold in America through such devices as the Equal Protection Clause and the Civil Rights Act.

But supporters of white supremacy have always had an ace in the hole that has preserved a tenuous constitutional support for white supremacy: a majority of the voting population. You might call it “constitutional white supremacy.”

Lost White Majority

But times are changing. Inexorable demography is taking over. Whites no longer retain a majority of Americans under age 5. Soon they will be a minority of those under 18. And it is projected that the white majority of the population as a whole will be gone completely in 2044.

That is the date by which “constitutional white supremacy” will become an oxymoron and whites will have to make a choice between the Constitution and white supremacy. That is a decision that is unavoidable, and must be made soon. Either white supremacists will cede their supremacy or they will maintain it by physical force.

It is the ultimate choice between government by a minority against the will of the people and through force, or government “of the people, by the people, for the people.” Yes, that’s Honest Abe too.

The legitimacy of white supremacy within a constitutional framework has been finessed for 240 years, but demographics dictate that it can be finessed no longer. The November election has chosen itself as the forum in which the choice between constitutionalism and white supremacy will be made once and for all.

So let it be made, and made decisively, for constitutional government, which has served a changing majority probably as well these many years as any other form of government could have served.

There is an entire genre at this point of writing about the connection between Trump’s candidacy and the impending end of the white majority. See, for instance, “Donald Trump Is Winning Because White America Is Dying,” a summary of an interview with Noam Chomsky in which the author notes that “many say the business mogul is capitalizing on their fears about the perceived decline of white dominance in America” – a point that Chomsky argues is true but there is more including the seemingly unstoppable decline of the health and financial welfare of white males.

(Also see “Trump: A Presidency Befitting White Minority Rule?“; “Welcome, White Americans, to Your Future: This is What it Feels Like to be a Minority“; and “The End of White America?“)

Constitution or Supremacy

But seldom is it mentioned that white supremacy and constitutional government are fundamentally at odds (and that much of the strategy to protect white supremacy comes in trying to restrict the democratic and constitutional rights of minorities).

We recognize that states are widely attempting to cut off minority voting rights, that “antiterrorism” is a not-very-veiled process going back two decades to deprive non-whites of constitutional safeguards (see, e.g. the US “Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act” of 1993); that conduct of the “war on terror” gives the President unfettered power to do virtually anything without prior authorization and with no apparent participation by the public or even Congress, presumably under his war powers; and indeed that Trump walks and talks like a World War II fascist dictator.

Yet we somehow avoid saying that abandonment of constitutional rule is part and parcel of the preservation of white supremacy. But the reality is that we simply can’t follow the will of a minority and lock out millions of people based explicitly upon race, ethnicity and religion, and maintain that the Constitution rather than the white race reigns supreme. It’s either or.

As fate has decreed, the representative of white supremacy is Donald Trump, and the representative of constitutional government is Hillary Clinton.

This writer doubts that a real majority of Americans are white supremacists willing to sacrifice constitutional government. But they have every reason to believe that Hillary Clinton, with long-lived ties to fictitious corporate “persons,” will do little more than Trump to “derive her just powers from the consent of the governed.”

Nevertheless, constitutional government will not win a decisive victory — and likely not a victory at all — unless Hillary Clinton makes a clean break with her all-too-well-known past and offers a full restoration of constitutional government (committed to the noblest sentiments regarding “We the People” as expressed in the founding documents and subsequent amendments).

If she does that (and she is at least giving lip service to it), she can offer not only preservation of the Constitution but a path towards recovery from the decline of white health and financial welfare discussed by Chomsky, a crisis that many whites (under Trump’s tutelage) wrongly attribute to other races and immigrants.

However, if Clinton wins and fails to restore constitutional governance (by continuing to be the representative of the corporate class), Trump’s followers may be justified in perceiving that they aren’t killing the Constitution because it is already dead.

Nicholas C. Arguimbau is a retired lawyer living with a cat and a dog and forty fruit trees in rural Massachusetts, and doing his level best to avoid consumption that will aid global warming.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/22/t ... st-factor/
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:42 pm

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:35 pm wrote:Ignoring the troll-bait spewed forth while I was composing this reply to Gentleman Wombat:

Ah, the Breitbart guy. Minor quibble, but he's not the campaign manager, he's the Chief Executive Officer! Just to complete the WWE-ification of the election process...

Bannon's Wikipedia history is so spookish it'd give Miles Mathis a stroke, but that in itself doesn't prove the idea of Trump as controlled opposition in the traditional sense. Monolithic conspiracies don't exist, we the enlightened few should all realize this. There are at any time a minimum of forty-two conspiracies going on at once. So if the game was to prop Trump up there simply to boost TV ratings and make Hillary look like the better option, well, that plan makes close to zero sense because they could have just as easily run any of the other Republican candidates to the same effect, and in fact to much greater effect, because it turns out that Trump is 1000% better as a candidate than Cruz or Christie or Bush, and he has been pulling exactly zero punches when it comes to Hillary. So it's clear to me from reading the tea-leaves of CNN's fake news coverage, that they are in scramble mode.

I am looking forward to the debates with bated breath. I don't think they want Hillary anywhere near that debate stage and would not be surprised if some sort of Eva Marie-esque health crisis or bad traffic prevents her from attending, or if they were cancelled altogether.

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Trump is winning with a Reality TV / Pro Wrestling approach, and that offends the shit out of people who believe Decision 2016 is a prestige cable drama that deserves every Emmy award in sight.


Exactly right. He is out-kayfabing the kayfabers. I also half-wonder if election night goes off with a rigged win for Hillary, which Trump's rabid fanbase takes on (possibly in violent protest form) and the whole facade comes crashing down, in keeping with the 2016, Year of the Tower Trump Card mytharc we are currently living out.



Of course they're going to steal it for Killary. She's the Deep State candidate and that's what they do now. They're already setting it up, getting us used to the idea that it's a done deal, there's no way he can win, he's in free fall.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:46 pm

Agent Orange Cooper you can ignore fucking racism I don't care ....troll-bait spewed forth ...I spew it on you...at least I am not the fucking racist around here

The first national Trump commercial came out today and it has this guy in it..........The Puppeteer: John Tanton and the Nativist Movement


Top Trump adviser is fighting claims he questioned Holocaust history


Fears of ‘alt-right’ anti-Semitic support for Trump mark latest campaign hire

Schmitz has called the accusations defamatory, but reports of anti-Semitic tendencies at the top of the Trump team reinforce the narrative.

....
Donald Trump’s companies have at least $650 million in debt and one of the lenders is the Bank of China ..not a racist thing but still

.....

Breitbart/Bannon.....White Fucking Nationalists

He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents

He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him

He treats racial groups as monoliths

He trashed Native Americans

He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States

He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester

He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”

The holy symbol was co-opted by the Nazis during World War II when they forced Jews to sew it onto their clothing. Using the symbol over a pile of money is blatantly anti-Semitic and re-enforces hateful stereotypes of Jewish greed.

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2016, explained
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/d ... sm-history

Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.



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