‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:45 am

guruilla » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:41 pm wrote:
divideandconquer » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:41 am wrote:These people will never be held legally accountable so they have the power to create events to, as guruilla said, "map cultural influences". The distribution of images and information--or lack thereof--is weaponized in the hand of these culture creators.

To clarify, mapping cultural influences is what I am attempting, here & elsewhere; what the social engineers are doing, IMO, is more like terraforming.

divideandconquer » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:41 am wrote:There is some evidence that supports that the witch hunts of history seem to be initiated and carried out by the "witches" themselves especially in the case of Salem. In other words, that although the "witch hunts" were targeted against innocent people, there was some truth to the claims that initiated them.

Bella Dodd's book, School of Darkness (not to mention her testimony to the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee in 1952 and 1953) explains the depth of penetration that Communism made into the fabric of our nation in the 1930's and 40's, which supports some of McCarthy's claims of communist infiltration into education, the Catholic Church, etc.

I've not heard anything about this but what I began to see while reading Cheit's book was a pattern relating to many of the child abuse cases that were eventually reframed, and dismissed, as "witch-hunts." They began with medical evidence, credible children's testimony, and other strongly corroborating material; then, at a certain point, often when other investigators (often but not always self-identifying as Christian) became involved and began leading witnesses, making exaggerated claims and baseless accusations, and so on. I had assumed this was a case of real abuse followed by an understandable panic reaction that interfered with the investigation, and in some cases it probably was. But the more I read of the data (Cheit refers to court records, primarily), the more it struck me how effective this was as a deliberate strategy to undermine the investigations. Coerce children to make claims that aren't true, accuse innocent people, confabulate evidence, all under the guise of trying to expose the evil-doers, and pretty soon you can't find the real culprits or victims for all the straw ones, and of course, the whole thing begins to look like a witch-hunt. Juries were often unable, or unwilling, to distinguish between individual cases, and they had a tendency to lump all the accused together as if all the charges were equally valid (human beings have low tolerance for ambiguity). Hence, since there were obvious cases of wrong accusations, the jury tendency was to exonerate them all. With hindsight, this couldn't have worked out better for the perpetrators if it had been a conscious strategy at work, which is exactly what I think it was.

This isn't to say there aren't individuals who throw bricks through windows and lynch innocent people based on fear of the supernatural and/or rank ignorance & bigotry; as a onetime occultist & street Tarot reader (yes, Thoth deck), I have been on the wrong end of (a mild version of) that sort of suspicion & distrust and yeah, it really pissed me off, and yes, it's pretty ironic to find myself accused of being on the other end of that polarity now. But in terms of organized persecutions/mass hysteria, I am no longer convinced they happen without at least some foundation in reality, at least in recent times. It's telling that people, like Levenda, who throw the 'witch-hunt' phrase about to counter inquiries into child sexual abuse refer back to the McMartin case, which is demonstrably not a case of hysterical overreaction, much less confabulation, but which remains the template for this sort of alleged phenomenon in recent history. That suggests that there are no real cases, for otherwise, why cite a provably bogus one as the primary precedent?


Sorry, I misinterpreted what you said regarding "mapping cultural influences", which I should've understood from the beginning, the keyword: "mapping".

As for what I said about the guilty hunting the innocent in Salem, I should never have used the word evidence because as far as I know there isn't any hard evidence. I was referring more broadly to the divisions between elite and popular religiosity, specifically to the practice of alchemy and/ or witchcraft that John Winthrop claimed, in so many words, was too complex and beyond the comprehension of the unwashed masses.

For instance, it appears that Ben Franklin may have been deeply embedded in the occult. It's reported that he was a Rosicrucian--in addition to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine--and a freemason who eventually rose to Grand Master of the St. John's lodge and in 1749 and was elected Grand Master of the Province. While in France Franklin was made Grand Master of the Nine Sisters Lodge in Paris, Then, there is his involvement with a secret society called the Friars of St. Francis of Wycombe, more popularly known in the parlors of London as the Hell Fire Club. He may have been part of the British intelligence agency created by Dr. John Dee and Francis Bacon.

On February 11, 1998 The London Times reported that workmen restoring Benjamin Franklin's London home dug up the remains of six children and four adults hidden below the home.
"Initial estimates are that the bones are about 200 years old and were buried at the time Franklin was living in the house, which was his home from 1757 to 1762, and from 1764 to 1775. Most of the bones show signs of having been dissected, sawn or cut. One skull has been drilled with several holes. Paul Knapman, the Westminster Coroner, said: "I cannot totally discount the possibility of a crime. There is still a possibility that I may have to hold an inquest."

Human sacrifice? Probably not, but we'll never know for sure.

There was an active network of alchemists communicating throughout Europe and the British Colonies according to Walter Woodward's book Prospero's America: John Winthrop, Jr., Alchemy, and the Creation of New England Culture, 1606-1676 that continued on into the new world. In other words, despite the official claim that the procession toward modernity was the result of an age that placed reason, rational argument, deduction, judgment, etc., above the supernatural/spiritual or occult, there is evidence that witches, alchemists, ritual magicians, and occult Freemasons, Rosicrucians, etc. may have paved the way. It seems that occult symbolism and the hidden hand of Freemasonry is at work in every turning point in America’s history.

The Enlightenment elite throughout history to the present would have us believe that they were/are above such nonsense. That witchcraft, the occult, the supernatural, and religion in general is the purview of lesser human beings, the uneducated, the ignorant, etc. when in reality it appears the opposite is true. As more research emerges, yet, suppressed to one degree or another, it paints a very different picture of the elite and powerful leaders that we learned about in school.

Whether or not you call it a witch hunt, the guilty have intentionally led the hunt for innocent scapegoats all throughout history: blacks, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Native Americans, homosexuals, etc.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby dada » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:50 am

I personally object to these arguments so strongly not because I am on the witch hunt but because I "studied" BOTL for going on 20 years (& yes, read all the commentaries) and am still far from convinced that the book/AC isn't prescribing literal behaviors. He took "strange drugs" because the Book told him to, didn't he? Unfortunately this side discussion belongs at another thread. But anyway.



Well, first you would have to take his claim (that he thinks he dictated it from an alien intelligence) at face value, to assume the book told him to do anything.

(Perhaps this does belong at another thread. But since it's here...)

You "studied" the book for going on 20 years, and aren't convinced it isn't to be taken literally. I don't care either way, but find myself making the case for a purely poetic interpretation. Now I'm trying to decide which of us, if either, is playing devil's advocate. Maybe both of us? :)

A few lines after the 'strange drugs' line, Crowley writes: 'There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss.'

Again, it's almost like he's hinting at something, here.

Of course this is coming from someone who is convinced that he scribbled it down in his hotel room while on his honeymoon, probably while Rose was getting ready for dinner.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby Cordelia » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:43 pm

"divideandconquer » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:45 pm"

"For instance, it appears that Ben Franklin may have been deeply embedded in the occult. It's reported that he was a [url=https://www.rosicrucian.org/history]Rosicrucian--in addition to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine--and a freemason who eventually rose to Grand Master of the St. John's lodge and in 1749 and was elected Grand Master of the Province. While in France Franklin was made Grand Master of the Nine Sisters Lodge in Paris, Then, there is his involvement with a secret society called the Friars of St. Francis of Wycombe, more popularly known in the parlors of London as the Hell Fire Club. He may have been part of the British intelligence agency created by Dr. John Dee and Francis Bacon.

On February 11, 1998 The London Times reported that workmen restoring Benjamin Franklin's London home dug up the remains of six children and four adults hidden below the home.
"Initial estimates are that the bones are about 200 years old and were buried at the time Franklin was living in the house, which was his home from 1757 to 1762, and from 1764 to 1775. Most of the bones show signs of having been dissected, sawn or cut. One skull has been drilled with several holes. Paul Knapman, the Westminster Coroner, said: "I cannot totally discount the possibility of a crime. There is still a possibility that I may have to hold an inquest."

Human sacrifice? Probably not, but we'll never know for sure.



^^^^
Yeah about founding father(s) Benjamin Franklin & the Occult, but context (not to mean any innocent coincidence):

"William Hewson (14 November 1739 – 1 May 1774) was an English surgeon, anatomist and physiologist who has sometimes been referred to as the "father of haematology".


"Born in Hexham, Northumberland, Hewson initially studied in 1753 at the Newcastle Infirmary, Newcastle upon Tyne (which later became the Royal Victoria Infirmary) under its founder Richard Lambert and much later in the winter of 1761/1762 in Edinburgh and was a student, and later an assistant, of William Hunter. He was awarded the Copley Medal in 1769 and elected to the Royal Society in 1770.[1]

His major contribution was in isolating fibrin, a key protein in the blood coagulation process. His Copley work came when he showed the existence of lymph vessels in animals and explained their function by hypothesizing the existence of a human lymphatic system. He also demonstrated that red blood cells were discoid, rather than spherical as had been previously supposed by Anton van Leeuwenhoek, but incorrectly identified the cells' dark centers as their nuclei. In 1773 he produced evidence for the concept of a cell membrane in red blood cells — however, this last work was largely ignored.

On 10 July 1770 he married Mary Stevenson (better known as Polly), a London friend of Benjamin Franklin. From September 1772 he ran an anatomy school at 36 Craven Street, where Franklin lodged in London (which is now the Benjamin Franklin House museum)."


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hewson_(surgeon)


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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:47 pm

OP ED » 28 Aug 2016 12:46 wrote:If you automatically assume they're lying illuminati satanists or whatever then their statements won't be relevant to you regardless of how detailed they are.


That's yet another inane rhetorical cop out: "Unless you implicitly trust X in all things, no explanation from X will ever satisfy you, so be happy with none!"

Please try to refrain from such rhetorical inanity in the future.

No. A full, reasonable explanation of what happened will perfectly satisfy me. It's an extremely bizarre video, even as a "prank". It is not funny. It deserves an explanation beyond, "We said it was a hoax. Case closed. Move along. Nothing to see here."
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:51 pm

mentalgongfu2 » 28 Aug 2016 14:12 wrote:
[.I guess I forgot that the scene of the crime was a place that we should all inherently trust./quote]

What bloody crime? The one you are compelled to imagine unless CERN states explicitly "no one was murdered on our premises?"


What again does the leaked video depict? I do not think I imagined it..
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby guruilla » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:54 pm

Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the playground.



This was at Summersalt festival in Australia. They're an experimental interactive performance art group called Snuff Puppets. This piece is titled "Everybody" and has 4 parts: Everybody's Born - Everybody Cries - Everybody Shits - Everybody Dies.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:30 pm

OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:46 am wrote:If you automatically assume they're lying illuminati satanists or whatever then their statements won't be relevant to you regardless of how detailed they are.


C'mon, OP ED, stickdog was clearly assuming no such thing. Nor is anyone else here. So there's no reason for you to adopt the ductus of someone who thinks it witty to shout "Conspiratard!" or "Tinfoil-hatter!" or to smirk about Ickean Space Lizards.

The questions are simple, rational and justified, and they have been obvious ever since I started the thread.

1) Exactly what happened there?

Answer: Nobody knows, or we're not being told..

2) Who organised this and carried it out, who filmed it, and who posted it to the web?

Answer: Nobody knows, or we're not being told.

3) Why were the participants completely unworried at the certain prospect of being filmed by on-site surveillance cameras and the distinct possibility of being caught by security guards?

Answer: None. No answer.

4) Were only young students involved, or did CERN employees also participate?

Answer: None. No answer.

5) The film shows a woman apparently being stabbed in the throat, hee hee, LOL, ROTFL, ("their sense of humour ran away with them"). Have CERN actually bothered their arse to inform the public that she was completely unharmed?

Answer: Like hell they have.

6) Why did the police not investigate?

Answer: None. No answer.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:49 pm

When I was a boy growing up on the south side of Glasgow, some teenagers got caught using a ouija board in a graveyard nearby. They lit a small fire there too, though no damage was done. (Maybe a gravestone got slightly singed.) This was on the edge of our council housing estate.

Did the police get involved? You bet your bloody life they did. And there wasn't even a whiff of a suspicion that those "young hooligans" had even pretended to stab a woman in the throat.

Class. It makes all the difference.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:45 pm

Most, if perhaps not all, of those questions should be directed to either the police or YouTube.

Its not CERNs responsibility perhaps not even their right to reveal the identities of anyone involved. It may not even have been uploaded on their property. Their responsibility doesn't extend beyond satisfying the actual legal authorities, (which was clearly accomplished, rightly or not) which authorities are thereafter responsible for public accountability. Its frankly unsurprising that CERN doesn't take these questions from conspiratainment bloggers seriously.

I can imagine that the video itself doesn't violate any CERN rules, although the rule has likely been updated. The film was created in a space open to everyone allowed into the facility itself, given the 24hr workdays, it is probable no curfews or other such restrictions would prohibit scientists or students from being there, so there's no reason for them to fear security cameras nor indeed would there be any reason for security to care so long as they're satisfied that no rules or laws have been broken by the "perpetrators".

But I don't honestly believe that a statement could be issued that satisfies both the conspiracy crowd and the two dozen countries worth of lawyers that are probably required to approve any public statements.

Which is why anyone wanting more information would be better off focusing their effort toward the police who don't have nearly as much red tape prohibiting them from making a statement. I tried searching for a site that represents police statements but I can't find anything in English that's even close to what I was looking for.

I also couldn't find anything that wasn't a conspiracy blog asserting that anyone who should have been on the grounds has been reported missing but again there are some language barriers that make an exhaustive search improbable.

But as of now there isn't anything other than a conveniently edited video to even suggest any actual crimes. If there is not any actual evidence of a murder, there's nothing to account for.

Stickdog was assuming something. Hence the use of the word crime. And many here are assuming a lot in their clearly expressed and massive sense of entitlement to "know" things about a fucking YouTube video.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:00 pm

And contrary to the implied assertion that nonsense and craziness doesn't permeate this place the same as other sites, I've personally read about shape shifting aliens and their bloodlines, and that space is fake and that the earth is flat. Just today in the last couple hours, but we want to be taken so seriously.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:20 pm

OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:00 pm wrote:And contrary to the implied assertion that nonsense and craziness doesn't permeate this place the same as other sites,


Who asserted that, even implicitly? Nobody. I certainly didn't, nor did stickdog or guruilla or anyone else in this thread.

OP ED wrote:I've personally read about shape shifting aliens and their bloodlines, and that space is fake and that the earth is flat. Just today in the last couple hours, but we want to be taken so seriously.


Yes, but not in this thread. Jesus, OP ED, this is not like you. "There's a Flat Earther on another thread, therefore I have a right to go all supercilious in this thread and make up shit about people 'automatically assuming' the culprits at CERN were 'lying illuminati satanists', even though no one here actually did anything of the sort."

OP ED wrote:And many here are assuming a lot in their clearly expressed and massive sense of entitlement to "know" things about a fucking YouTube video.


You're wilfully missing the point. Imagine calling the Zapruder film "a fucking home movie". Was it that? Yes. But the point is what it shows.

It is also on fucking YouTube, by the way. Of course it is, like almost everything else nowadays. By your logic, that is enough to discredit it entirely.

- Cue the depressingly-predictable accusation that I am claiming the CERN video is as important as the Zapruder film... No, of course I'm bloody not. I am making the obviously-true point that being a home movie and/or appearing on YouTube does not in itself make a film negligible or ridiculous.

And expecting straight answers from CERN about that "fucking YouTube video" is perfectly rational, perfectly permissible, and in no way comparable to feeling entitled to rifle through the CERN director's underwear drawer.

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby dada » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:32 pm

I'm looking forward to the next video.

Camera moving down a hallway, voice of cameraman explaining that as he was investigating the secret CERN cult, he stumbled onto something horrible.

Camera shakes, narrator's voice quivers. Is it bad acting? He's not a professional actor, so we'll accept that he's just nervous.

He's mumbling about portals, astrophysics, quantum something-or-others. Science-y stuff. Something about a coverup. Then he veers off into. ancient Akkadian prophecies guarded by black nobility, the great old ones, the destruction of the Gobi veldt. Has he gone mad? He'd better not mention cthulhu, or he'll spoil the whole thing.

He comes to a room. What was the room number? He opened the door too quickly for us to catch it. Inside there's a unicursal hexagram on the wall, hokey altar with candles, incense, a statue of... Captain America? wtf?

Someone inside the room says. "Who are you!"

Cameraman gasps, turns and runs. Aaand Cut.


Later in the office, the Dean of CERN is livid. Mops his brow. "Those kids! arrrg!

Pr guy says, "Don't worry, boss. This is great publicity."

Dean of CERN yells, "Get out! Out!"
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Postby OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:39 pm

There was SOME other corroborating evidence to suggest that zapruder's film showed an actual murder.
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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:43 pm

OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:39 pm wrote:There was SOME other corroborating evidence to suggest that zapruder's film showed an actual murder.


If only the no-plane crew had been around back then. One guy did it retroactively (it's been posted here) with the Zapruder film as proof that Jackie produced a gun in the confusion and fired the kill-shot. I'm still rooting for JFK (realizing the situation) reaching for a pistol and doing himself in.

Which I'll hasten to add is a comment on OP ED's comment (and the post-reality moment in the world), not on this thread as a whole. I don't really mind this thread.

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Re: ‘Human sacrifice’ staged at CERN's Shiva Statue

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:48 pm

OP ED » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:39 pm wrote:There was SOME other corroborating evidence to suggest that zapruder's film showed an actual murder.


The point is not that it showed a murder. The point is that what it showed is a) not welcomed by Teh Authoritay, because it raises some embarrassing questions for them, and b) not easily explained away.

Or take any one of a thousand other films. "Fucking home movies" of the WTC collapse, for instance - films which can also be found on "fucking YouTube, LOL."
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