Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[Cordelia]

There was an early detail on Sunday morning that she "lost her shoe" in the stumble, so maybe that's what people are seeing?

Also, I'm pretty sure that Clinton impersonator is the one who made that dat boi meme video. She doesn't really look nor sound like her.

I also heard that reported on Sunday. (Should we be waiting for the other shoe to drop?)

[backtoiam]

She did lose a shoe but that was not a shoe. That news report looks real. I looked at some footage of Torres and that sounds like his voice.

[Luther Blissett]

Probably useful to file here regarding future "privilege" attacks.

Young Blacks Voice Skepticism on Hillary Clinton, Worrying Democrats

WASHINGTON — When a handful of liberal advocacy organizations convened a series of focus groups with young black voters last month, the assessments of Donald J. Trump were predictably unsparing.

But when the participants were asked about Hillary Clinton, their appraisals were just as blunt and nearly as biting.

“What am I supposed to do if I don’t like him and I don’t trust her?” a millennial black woman in Ohio asked. “Choose between being stabbed and being shot? No way!”

“She was part of the whole problem that started sending blacks to jail,” a young black man, also from Ohio, observed about Mrs. Clinton.

“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.

Young African-Americans, like all voters their age, are typically far harder to drive to the polls than middle-aged and older Americans. Yet with just over two months until Election Day, many Democrats are expressing alarm at the lack of enthusiasm, and in some cases outright resistance, some black millennials feel toward Mrs. Clinton.

Their skepticism is rooted in a deep discomfort with the political establishment that they believe the 68-year-old former first lady and secretary of state represents. They share a lingering mistrust of Mrs. Clinton and her husband over criminal justice issues. They are demanding more from politicians as part of a new, confrontational wave of black activism that has arisen in response to police killings of unarmed African-Americans.

“We’re in the midst of a movement with a real sense of urgency,” explained Brittany Packnett, 31, a St. Louis-based leader in the push for police accountability. Mrs. Clinton is not yet connecting, she said, “because the conversation that younger black voters are having is no longer one about settling on a candidate who is better than the alternative.”

The question of just how many young African-Americans will show up to vote carries profound implications for this election. Mrs. Clinton is sure to dominate Mr. Trump among black voters, but her overwhelming margin could ultimately matter less than the total number of blacks who show up to vote.

To replicate President Obama’s success in crucial states such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, she cannot afford to let the percentage of the electorate that is black slip far below what it was in 2012. And while a modest drop-off of black votes may not imperil Mrs. Clinton’s prospects, given Mr. Trump’s unpopularity among upscale white voters, it could undermine Democrats’ effort to capture control of the Senate and win other down-ballot elections.

Mrs. Clinton’s difficulties with young African-Americans were laid bare in four focus groups conducted in Cleveland and Jacksonville, Fla., for a handful of progressive organizations spending millions on the election: the service employees union, a joint “super PAC” between organized labor and the billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer, and a progressive group called Project New America. The results were outlined in a 25-page presentation by Cornell Belcher, a Democratic pollster, and shared with The New York Times by another party strategist who wanted to draw attention to Mrs. Clinton’s difficulties in hopes that the campaign would move more aggressively to address the matter.

Word of the report has spread in the constellation of liberal operatives and advocacy groups in recent weeks, concerning officials who saw diminished black turnout hurt Democratic candidates in the last two midterm elections.

Adding to the worries is a separate poll of African-Americans that Mr. Belcher conducted earlier in the summer indicating that Mrs. Clinton is lagging well behind Mr. Obama’s performance among young blacks in a handful of crucial states.

In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, 70 percent of African-Americans under 35 said they were backing Mrs. Clinton, 8 percent indicated support for Mr. Trump and 18 percent said they were backing another candidate or did not know whom they would support. In 2012, Mr. Obama won 92 percent of black voters under 45 nationally, according to exit polling.

Over 25 percent of African-Americans are between 18 and 34, and 44 percent are older than 35, according to 2013 census data.

“There is no Democratic majority without these voters,” Mr. Belcher said. “The danger is that if you don’t get these voters out, you’ve got the 2004 John Kerry electorate again.”

In Ohio, for example, blacks were 10 percent of the electorate in the 2004 presidential race. But when Mr. Obama ran for re-election in 2012, that number jumped to 15 percent.

What frustrates many blacks under 40 is Mrs. Clinton’s overriding focus on Mr. Trump.

“We already know what the deal is with Trump,” said Nathan Baskerville, a 35-year-old North Carolina state representative. “Tell us what your plan is to make our life better.”

Such talk can be frustrating to Mrs. Clinton’s aides, who point out that her first speech of the campaign was on criminal justice and that she has laid out a series of proposals on the topic.

“It is on us to make sure that that’s known,” said Addisu Demissie, Mrs. Clinton’s voter outreach and mobilization director, adding of young black activists, “We share their goals, we share their values and we want to make sure that’s reflected through our campaign.”

The focus groups and interviews with young black activists suggest many of them are not aware of Mrs. Clinton’s plans regarding police conduct, mass incarceration and structural racism broadly.

Christopher Prudhome, 31, recounted a recurring conversation he has with other African-Americans as he travels around the country as the head of a nonpartisan group dedicated to registering young voters: They do not like either candidate.

“Young people feel discouraged and apprehensive about the political process as is, and then they look at the two options in front of us,” said Mr. Prudhome, adding of Mrs. Clinton: “Nobody has seen an agenda for African-American millennials. I don’t think they believe she cares about them.”

Part of Mrs. Clinton’s problem, said Symone Sanders, a former top aide to Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign, is that the candidate is overly cautious and is conducting an outdated style of black outreach.

Ms. Sanders has begun taking matters into her own hands. She said she was working with other young activists to recruit black celebrities for a millennial mobilization tour through Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia.

“Black churches and an H.B.C.U. tour is just not going to cut it in 2016,” said Ms. Sanders, referring to historically black colleges and universities. “The Clinton campaign has to be willing to get out of what’s comfortable and get on the streets.”

Mr. Demissie said the Clinton campaign’s efforts were more expansive, pointing to voter registration efforts already underway in barbershops and salons as well as sneaker and video game stores.

Mrs. Clinton has met with mothers of those who lost children at the hands of the police and has used the signature refrain that “black lives matter” in public remarks. But she and her husband also come from an earlier political tradition rooted in the Deep South, where black voters are primarily reached through the church and the threat of white conservative backlash is never far from mind.

Today’s young African-American voters are less likely to be found in black churches and more likely to be found in schools, loosely organized activist groups and online, said Ms. Packnett, the St. Louis activist.

And the leaders are more diverse. “It’s not just heterosexual men,” she noted.

Not only are younger black activists reached in different ways, they also have far higher expectations on leaders, dismissing boilerplate pleas for racial equality and justice as insufficient.

“Gone is the day of patience,” said Tony J. Payton Jr., 35, a former Pennsylvania state representative. “No longer should we accept systemic racism.”

Doubts about how aggressively Mrs. Clinton will move to combat racism are at the heart of black suspicion toward her. Some African-Americans said her 1996 reference to some young criminals as “super-predators,” and the legislation that President Bill Clinton signed imposing stiff sentences on nonviolent offenders, have made today’s activists skeptical about her true intentions.

“That stuff comes up unprompted,” Mr. Belcher said.

Mr. Trump has turned to remarkably blunt language about blacks in recent weeks — portraying their communities as dystopian hellscapes and asking them, in courting their support, “What do you have to lose?” Some African-American allies of Mrs. Clinton believe he is serving as her most effective get-out-the-vote lever.

“He is literally saying something every day that is disrespectful to the black community,” said Michael Blake, a New York State assemblyman from the Bronx who worked on Mr. Obama’s campaigns and is close to many Clinton aides.

Yet when African-American voters in the focus groups were shown campaign fliers and asked to rate them, there was no mistaking what was most effective.

A pamphlet with a picture of Mr. Trump that read, “We have to beat the racists,” fell flat with young black audiences.

Scoring much higher were a stark black and white handout showing the names of those killed at the hands of the police and another with images of mothers of the victims that said, “Their Children Can’t Vote, Will You?”

It's the New York Times so it's super apologetic and nearly misses the point that it's her proven track record that does the damage. Also misses the major solidarity young black activists feel and demonstrate for Sacred Stone Camp native activists, Hondurans, Haitians, Libyans, Yemenis, etc.

[seemslikeadream]

ESPECIALLY IF SHE'S LOST A SHOE

[backtoiam]

I don't know if the Democrats on the hill have some sort of problem with Bernie or not but it seems as if he would be a better choice than Biden if Clinton has to dropout. If they put Biden in voters will give a big yawn. If they put Bernie in there would be a shot of energy and vigor into the Democratic establishment that Biden could not deliver. Bernie is not charismatic but he touched a nerve with young voters and they responded. They will be disappointed when they don't get that free college education but they have proven that they will respond. It may not matter when the voting machines are considered though. I also don't know how well Bernie would go over with older voters because his supporters seemed to be mainly the young crowd.

Former DNC chairman calls for Clinton contingency plan

A former Democratic National Committee chairman says President Barack Obama and the party’s congressional leaders should immediately come up with a process to identify a potential successor candidate for Hillary Clinton for the off-chance a health emergency forces her out of the race.

“Now is the time for all good political leaders to come to the aid of their party,” said Don Fowler, who helmed the DNC from 1995 to 1997, during Bill Clinton’s presidency, and has backed Hillary Clinton since her 2008 presidential bid. “I think the plan should be developed by 6 o’clock this afternoon.”

Fowler said he expects Clinton to fully recover from her bout with pneumonia, which forced her to leave a Sept. 11 memorial event early and cancel an early-week fundraising swing. But he said the Democratic Party would be mistaken to proceed without a contingency plan. The party's existing rules empower the DNC to name a replacement candidate but include few guidelines or parameters.

“It’s something you would be a fool not to prepare for,” he said in an interview on Monday. He added a note of caution, should Clinton attempt an expeditious return to the campaign trail.

“She better get well before she gets back out there because if she gets back out there too soon, it might happen again,” he said.

Fowler noted that at one of his first-ever DNC meetings, in 1972, he supported a decision to nominate Sargent Shriver — a member of the Kennedy clan — to replace Thomas Eagleton as George McGovern’s vice presidential nominee, the only time either major party has replaced one of its two national nominees.

Though that transition was relatively seamless, he said, replacing Clinton would be much more acrimonious and could lead to intense lobbying by loyalists to Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. That’s why, he argued, the party should be prepared.

“This is a different time, with a lot more people who like to express themselves and perhaps wrest control,” he said. “I’m sure some of the Sanders people would want to get into play and some of the Biden people. I think you’re likely to have at least discussions and perhaps controversy.”

The Clinton campaign and DNC did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Interim DNC Chairwoman Donna Brazile said Sunday that she’s glad Clinton appeared to be feeling better and looks forward to “seeing her back out on the campaign trail and continuing on the path to victory.”

Former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, who served as general chairman of the DNC during the 2000 election, agreed that the party’s vacancy rules should be modernized, but he said that discussion should wait until after the election.

“There is absolutely no chance Hillary Clinton will withdraw from running for the presidency,” he said in a phone interview.

Rendell, a Clinton surrogate, said he’d battled through three bouts of walking pneumonia in his gubernatorial campaigns and called it a common ailment during grueling bids for office. He added that Clinton is likely to put to rest any concerns about her health when she appears alongside Trump at the debates.

“When Hillary Clinton participates in three debates, stands on her feet for 90 minutes in all of those debates … it will dispel any remaining doubts that any Americans have about her physical fitness to serve,” he said.

Rendell noted that Ronald Reagan appeared unsteady in his first debate against Walter Mondale in 1984, and some speculated about his health at the time. But by the second debate, he had bounced back.

“He performed 100 percent, was at the top of his game,” Rendell recalled, suggesting the second debate erased all memory of his first performance. Reagan went on to win that year in a landslide.

There are still plenty of unknowns about Clinton’s bout with pneumonia, following her near-collapse after leaving Sunday’s Sept. 11 memorial service in New York City. But if her ailment were to persist and prevent Clinton from continuing as a candidate, it would trigger an obscure Democratic Party mechanism that would plunge the presidential race into turmoil.

It’s an extremely unlikely scenario; Clinton’s team says she’ll continue her march toward Election Day later this week. In addition, the campaign plans to make more detailed medical records available soon, a spokesman announced Monday morning.

But just as Trump’s late-summer swoon had Republicans wondering about his ability to continue his campaign, Clinton’s sudden health care scare has skittish Democrats contemplating contingencies as well.

If Clinton could not physically continue her candidacy, she would have to voluntarily cede her nomination, creating a vacancy at the top of the national ticket. If she did, party procedures give the chair of the DNC authority to call a “special meeting” to vote on a replacement nominee. In this case, because chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned in July, her successor, Brazile, has that authority.

“The locus of activity for all of those political questions would then move to the 447 members of the Democratic National Committee,” said Elaine Kamarck, a two-decade veteran of the DNC Rules Committee. “And it’s wide open, and all of the political concern would work out in the context of discussions among the members of the DNC.”

Fowler argued that the party would be wise to immediately set up an even more detailed process for those who might seek to be Clinton’s successor — from a signature-gathering requirement to a process for receiving nominations during the DNC meeting. All of which, he said, would help ensure confidence in the process and lead toward a broad coalescing around a successor candidate.

“There should be a concerted, unified effort on behalf of the president and the Democratic leaders in the House and the Senate and from the officials of the DNC as well — I think unanimity would be absolutely critical,” he said. “The quicker that unanimity develops, the easier and better the process.”

Kamarck noted that the process hasn’t changed in the decades since Eagleton was replaced over mental health concerns. But Fowler said the politics surrounding the top of the ticket would be more intense — and he noted that any change would occur a few weeks later in the campaign season than the switch in 1972. It would likely take two to three weeks to convene the DNC for a special meeting, he said, and intense wrangling could be paralyzing.

Though typically DNC rules permit members to appoint proxies to vote for them if they can’t appear in person, it’s prohibited when voting “to fill a vacancy on the National ticket,” per the party’s bylaws.

Similarly, though only 40 percent of DNC members are typically required to be present at meetings — with another 10 percent voting by proxy — a vote to replace a national nominee requires a majority of the full committee present.

Another challenge: Most states have passed the deadline to change the names of candidates on their ballots, meaning Clinton’s name would likely be required to appear, short of court-ordered solutions or changes in state laws.

Kamarck argues that this issue will be moot because it’s up to members of the Electoral College — typically loyal partisans — to cast formal ballots for president. If a replacement for Clinton were offered, those electors in states won by Democrats would almost certainly cast ballots for the party’s preferred nominee.

Still, Clinton’s campaign is going to great lengths to quash any talk that she won’t fully bounce back.

“I think by the middle of the week she’ll be out there campaigning as aggressively as ever,” Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said on Monday.

CLARIFICATION: The first sentence has been clarified to reflect that Fowler is calling for a process to identify a potential successor, not that he is calling for that potential successor to be immediately identified.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/h ... ncy-228037

[tapitsbo]

Joe Biden is seriously dangerous.

[Luther Blissett]

Joe Biden is seriously dangerous.

[Rory]

Is he dangerous like Trump, or dangerous like Clinton. Worse/Better than either. I think at this stage we're getting a massive cunt in charge, bar some Bernie parachuting in to save the day. It's hard to gauge real menace when the best options seem like some kind of perverse curse

[slimmouse]

Is he dangerous like Trump, or dangerous like Clinton. Worse/Better than either. I think at this stage we're getting a massive cunt in charge, bar some Bernie parachuting in to save the day. It's hard to gauge real menace when the best options seem like some kind of perverse curse

This in spades.

[backtoiam]

could we just stop the "Alex Jonesy" bullshit

I went and looked to see what the Jones camp had to say. I saw a video of a jones guy calling wabc tv to ask about the video reporting Hillary dead. He was on speaker phone. WABC admitted the video was real and verified that Torres did indeed read that off of a teleprompter. The Jones guy quizzed him on it several times and the WABC guy repeatedly said that it was on the teleprompter and saying "it was a mistake."

That is one hell of a mistake right there for a major news affiliate. What was that doing loaded into a teleprompter in the first place?

[backtoiam]

Wow this is a trip. Watch this. At 3:47 a guy with Parkinsons can barely even sit in a chair or walk without gyrating wildly. He puts on a pair of blue sunglasses and immediately chills out. He gets up and walks almost normally. That is one of the most remarkable medical things I have ever seen.

https://youtu.be/q5mYx5oCxEg

[Grizzly]

Chaffetz: Will the FBI provide to Congress the full file with no redactions?

Herring: I cannot make that commitment sitting here today.

Chaffetz: Then I'm going to issue a subpoena, and I'm going to do it right now... You can accept service on behalf of the FBI?

Herring: Certainly.

Chaffetz: You are hereby served.

Some theatre, anyone?
Sorry for the 'jones' ... but worth it, perhaps.

[Grizzly]

fuck youtube:

https://vid.me/UjS5
Hillary Collapse 9/11/2016 in New York. Slowed and zoomed.

[mentalgongfu2]

Wow this is a trip. Watch this. At 3:47 a guy with Parkinsons can barely even sit in a chair or walk without gyrating wildly. He puts on a pair of blue sunglasses and immediately chills out. He gets up and walks almost normally. That is one of the most remarkable medical things I have ever seen.

Ok, so I suspended my judgment and did some research on Parkinson's Disease and blue-tinted lenses. After refining my search to wade past all the Hillary hysteria, it seems there is some anecdotal evidence linking their use to a reduction in dyskenesia, including some message board posts citing the video embedded in btia's link. However, pretty much everything I found emphasized anecdotal evidence only, and the only actual science I could find linked visual clues and color wavelengths to Parkinsons symptoms but without concluding lenses of any particular color had a demonstrable effect. In fact, while it seems an idea worth exploring, there don't seem to be any controlled studies on the matter, at least not without searching more thoroughly specifically in medical journals. The best I could find was along these lines:

OCT
18
Will tinted glasses help reduce dyskinesia?

OK, this is just an observation. But an interesting one.

Some time ago, we found this video of a man with Parkinson's who was experiencing dyskinesia, and who, remarkably, demonstrated that there was a marked reduction in the dyskinesia when he wore blue tinted glasses, or looked through blue translucent paper It's really quite astonishing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcO2oRv75I

Now, we know that blue tinted glasses can make a big difference to someone experiencing visual stress. However, there is no research that we aware of which investigates its effectiveness, or otherwise, with dyskinesia.




Anyway, I came home from work on Thursday to find Martin experiencing a very bad episode of dyskinesia. His movements were all over the place, not dissimilar to the man in this video, and it was clear that he wouldn't be fit to eat any meal I prepared for him. So, I decided to try the blue paper test.

The only blue "paper" I had was a blue plastic folder cover. It wasn't translucent, but I held it in front of Martin. It made no difference. I had another hunt, and found a green translucent folder cover. so, I tried that. Remarkably, Martin's movements calmed down. He was still experiencing some dyskinesia, but there was a definite reduction. Wow! I took the plastic cover away. His severe dyskinesia returned. I put it in front of his eyes again. his movements calmed. We tried a few times, and the same thing happened.

Now, there's nothing scientific in the slightest about our experiment. But it has given us food for thought. I think that we'll try out some tinted glasses. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Should they be blue, or green, I wonder? Was it just co-incidence?

As far as we know, there is no available research into the effect of tinted glasses upon dyskinesia. If we find that they help, even a little, it'll make a big difference. Apparently, they have been shown to help reduce the incidence of epileptic fits. So, another avenue to explore, perhaps?

http://hiyaitsfiona.blogspot.com/2014/10/will-tinted-glasses-help-reduce.html


Conclusion: More pseudo-science confirmation bias conspiratainment until and unless real evidence emerges of what Hillary's health problems are, assuming it's not the pneumonia/dehydration/exhaustion story being sold to the msm.

[82_28]

I don't have a horse in this race, but she is clearly ill and/or temperamentally vulnerable to conditions outside of her physical control.